Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

Tom Morrow

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Doesn't mean he isn't correct both of you are correct both parks exaggerate in commercials. But it gets annoying when it becomes a tit for tat disney vs universal thing all the time. I'm not trying to start anything.
I get that, but SWGE is naturally drawing tons of comparisons to WWoHP and the SWGE haters are using talking points about WWoHP that are hypocritical, which is why I'm bringing it up.
 

The Grand Inquisitor

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I get that, but SWGE is naturally drawing tons of comparisons to WWoHP and the SWGE haters are using talking points about WWoHP that are hypocritical, which is why I'm bringing it up.
I agree with you. I think both sides just have to be calm. Both lands are fantastic. I think some people are going to hate either one regardless what it does. I think the people who rabidly hate GE need to get over it. Doesn't mean their arguments aren't correct but constantly bashing it over and over will not solve anything.
 

erasure fan1

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I get that, but SWGE is naturally drawing tons of comparisons to WWoHP and the SWGE haters are using talking points about WWoHP that are hypocritical, which is why I'm bringing it up.
But thats because, in my opinion, Potter overall delivers more on what fans wanted. Does that make it right? Not really. But that's how it usually works. I am no Potter fan, but I am a bit envious of Wizarding world. Once Disney stops digging its heels in, and embraces all of star wars, I think you'll see a shift in the attitudes between the 2 lands.
 

Mike S

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The discussion of whether Galaxy's Edge is better than Wizarding World is pointless because Nintendo is going to top both. :inlove:
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EPCOTCenterLover

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I saw Revenge of the Sith on Thanksgiving Day. My fifth Star Wars movie, and even though I thought it was very good, I wouldn't really call myself a big fan of the series. That said, after visiting both coasts pre-ROTR, I enjoyed Smuggler's Run and the land in general. Did it have some aspects that could be a lot better? Absolutely! Is it rubbish? Absolutely not!
 

RSoxNo1

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One could build a fully immersive carnival, but guests won’t like it any more than they like a carnival. A problem Disney’s faced before. In this case, they spent far more money to build a fully immersive fictional planet, but it’s not exactly captivating guests in the way they imagined. The level of immersion is certainly not the issue. The level of detail in the land is certainly not the issue. Rather, the content of the immersion and detail is the issue. Lost in these buzzwords, they forgot the foundation of why people want to visit themed environments in the first place.

The land is getting decent reviews. MFSR is getting good reviews relative to the average attraction. I do believe the consensus is slightly higher than Star Tours but below ToT, RnRC, TSMM, and SDD. For they money they’ve spent, I can see why they expected higher.
There's a difference here though. Fictitious planet with unique architecture and landscaping is far more appealing than a carnival. Toy Story Land, Storybook Circus and Dino-Rama are good executions of poor themes. Pandora, Africa, and Galaxy's Edge are interpretative executions on excellent theme concepts. In each case you could have recreated a specific area (real or fictional) or you could have gone with the "inspired by" route.

With Pandora, they made the right call, but you could have also been justified with a "Home Tree" weenie. With Galaxy's Edge, rather than a specific piece of architecture or natural landmark as the Weenie, instead they went with the Falcon. I absolutely understand the choice of a new planet, but for me the bigger issue is locking the attractions and the land into a specific timeline. There were a few alternatives with a few modifications that could have also encorporated Star Tours into the DHS version of the land. That would have in part satisfied the different land requirements. They can also satisfy that with new missions on Smugglers Run.

Whether it was a unique planet or a familiar one, if there were more ambiance components like drones, droids and aliens that would help. If there was more kinetic energy from water or the Bantha-like attraction, that would have helped. If they opened the land with both attractions, that would have helped. If Smugglers Run didn't focus on Solo and Clone Wars plot points, that would have helped.

Despite all this, if Rise of the Resistance blows us away, most guests will let all this other stuff slide.
 

RSoxNo1

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TSMM is and always has been extremely popular. I don’t think it’s humiliating that a new attraction doesn’t pass TSMM. I’m pretty sure TSMM is still higher than ToT for example. Yes Smuggler’s Run could be better received but that’s still a high bar.
TSMM is also the only ride in the park without a height requirement. That will change when Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway opens, but that can't be dismissed from a mass appeal standpoint.
 

RSoxNo1

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Yes, there is no denying Potter suffers from a lot of similar issues as galaxys edge. But I've said it before, there is a reason Potter gets a pass in my opinion. I'm sure people would go nuts for a Valdomort, Harry, Dumbledore... meet and greet. The reason it gets brushed off is once they walk into this place that they have loved for over 20yrs, and see these places you've always dreamed of going. Nothing else really matters. Right or wrong, that doesn't happen in Galaxys edge except seeing the falcon. Remember that one of the big attachments to star wars, is all the crazy cool background aliens and characters. So it makes sense that if you don't have the iconic places, people would at least want to see familiar aliens and characters that make sense for the time. This same problem spills over into the Disney star wars movies as well. Did all the legacy aliens just die after the fall of the empire? For JJs cantina and Rians casino to not have some legacy aliens peppered in is just stupid. The cheapest, easiest, fastest way to make galaxys edge feel more star wars for everyone? Add in legacy aliens and creatures.
Hogsmeade specifically also opened with one of the best rides on the planet. That forgives a lot of missteps, including the visible show building of Forbidden Journey and the visible tracks of Dragon Challenge. Since Hagrid's opened, it's hard to argue against Hogsmeade as the best themed land on the planet (factoring in rides as well).

People were blown away by the theming of Diagon Alley, but Gringotts underwhelmed as a ride as a follow up to Forbidden Journey.

The familiarity vs. inspired by argument is a tough one. I think the familiarity argument is the one that Disney's executive brass understand. It's simpler in concept, "reproduce what is known". I think the "inspired by" approach is more interesting. It has a greater degree of difficulty, but I think ultimately is more rewarding in most cases. I also think that if you're going with IP based lands (and I doubt we'll see Disney do this as much in the future), it really depends on the IP on what they chose.
 

RSoxNo1

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The discussion of whether Galaxy's Edge is better than Wizarding World is pointless because Nintendo is going to top both. :inlove:
For me, the architecture, environment of Mario is far less interesting that Harry Potter, Pandora and Galaxy's Edge. The Mario aesthetic is flat, angular and bright. It is very child like and reminiscent of Toy Story Land. It's not a visually interesting theme and while the environment will have a familiarity to it, they're still going to go more with an inspired by approach as opposed to say reproducing a specific level of a Mario Brothers game.

I expect the execution of the Mario section to be top notch, but like all of these lands, the attractions will have to be a home run, otherwise the land is going to feel too child like. I think the Donkey Kong area is far more interesting.
 

Mike S

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But it doesn't have any of the classic characters!
But it doesn't have the iconic Star Wars music!
But it's not set in any of the familiar locales!

-- Things you don't hear said about the Mandelorian, even though they all accurately describe the show.
The Mandalorian isn’t a theme park land where things like that have become pretty expected thanks to WWoHP. It’s a TV show.

I’m sure this comparison sounded better in your head.

Oh and before anyone brings up Pandora Disney had an easy out with that one considering the world itself and its wildlife is pretty much all anyone cared about. Didn’t matter if characters weren’t included as that’s not why people flocked to the movie. Star Wars is a different beast entirely where the characters and music are a much bigger factor. Same goes for Harry Potter and while you can’t meet those characters you do see them in the rides.
 
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RobWDW1971

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. Star Wars is a different beast entirely where the characters and music are a much bigger factor.

Amazing Disney has to learn this when 33 years ago they executed Star Tours perfectly and captured the spirit, fun, and adventure of the brand and simultaneously created a new theme park concept of a space travel agency, commercialized space trips, new characters (Rex, working droids, etc.) while still celebrating the brand with beloved characters, music, action, etc

Only makes the complete miss of Batuu and MFSR even more perplexing.
 

RobWDW1971

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There's a difference here though. Fictitious planet with unique architecture and landscaping is far more appealing than a carnival. Toy Story Land, Storybook Circus and Dino-Rama are good executions of poor themes. Pandora, Africa, and Galaxy's Edge are interpretative executions on excellent theme concepts. In each case you could have recreated a specific area (real or fictional) or you could have gone with the "inspired by" route.

It is also important to consider whether the place you are creating is actually a place where people want to spend time with their family and endlessly revisit in the future.

Using the far extreme to make a point, you can have an incredibly detailed, perfectly executed Alcatraz prison yard, but that doesn’t mean it is a successful theme park environment.

The intent is that Batuu is a very detailed, run down, remote trading port on the outskirts of the galaxy that is now under tyrannous First Order control where Jedis and the Force are outlawed.

Uh, OK. That sounds depressing, boring, and lacking fun and excitement (and (shocker) that is exactly how it turned out).

The ONLY way this direction could have worked is that the land was filled with unique Star Wars characters, wandering droids, aliens, bounty hunters, etc. at all times constantly interacting with you like an intergalactic Renaissance Faire, which they also chose not to do.

Whereas Hogsmeade, Diagon Alley, New Orleans Square, Main Street, Cars Land, etc. are places we want to go to and return again and again.

That underlying, fundamental creative choice is the core of the issue. They didn’t have to go this unfortunate route as there are certainly other creative ways to create a Star Wars theme park area, this is their choice.
 
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Movielover

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But it doesn't have any of the classic characters!
But it doesn't have the iconic Star Wars music!
But it's not set in any of the familiar locales!

-- Things you don't hear said about the Mandelorian, even though they all accurately describe the show.

I love the Mandalorian but when you think about those 3 tired "complaints", Galaxy's Edge is actually More Star Wars since:

A. OG Chewbacca and R2D2 are in the land. OT characters check!
B. The music that is in the land (Entrance Portals, Savi's) IS John Williams music unlike the Mandalorian. Check!
C. You do step aboard the Falcon, which half of A New Hope takes place on. OT location, check!

Is this a stretch? Maybe, and I'm sure a select few on here will tell me how wrong I am and something about a ramp but there it is!
 

jinx8402

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The intent is that Batuu is a very detailed, run down, remote trading port on the outskirts of the galaxy that is now under tyrannous First Order control where Jedis and the Force are outlawed.

Uh, OK. That sounds depressing, boring, and lacking fun and excitement (and (shocker) that is exactly how it turned out).

So if they made the setting during the OT, how many Jedi would you see? There are 3 known Jedi that are alive during that period. 1 which dies in the first movie and one in hiding. So you have Luke, and only Luke as a Jedi. Not exactly the utopia of Jedi walking around using the force.

Of course, you could have it take place during the PT (or the old republic era), but then you would continue to complain that the most known characters aren't in the land (Darth Vader, Luke, Leia, Han etc).
 

LSLS

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I love the Mandalorian but when you think about those 3 tired "complaints", Galaxy's Edge is actually More Star Wars since:

A. OG Chewbacca and R2D2 are in the land. OT characters check!
B. The music that is in the land (Entrance Portals, Savi's) IS John Williams music unlike the Mandalorian. Check!
C. You do step aboard the Falcon, which half of A New Hope takes place on. OT location, check!

Is this a stretch? Maybe, and I'm sure a select few on here will tell me how wrong I am and something about a ramp but there it is!

Galaxy Edge is a land to visit. If they made a TV show about Batuu, it could be really cool and interesting. Likewise if they skipped the show and made a land based on the Mandalorian, I suspect many people would also complain they don't have the emotional connection to the land. Look I will straight agree with the fact that Disney had a tough road in making GE emotionally click for the reasons many have stated. As has been stated ad nauseum, Harry Potter is just way different in that regard. But I also think that is why the extras for GE is so much more important.

I haven't been to GE. I would guess I would enjoy (but not love) the land (FYI, that will have at least something to do with the lack of music, attack me with the "Immersion" stuff all you want), but my lack of jumping up and booking is noteworthy if there are masses like me. It's not that I think the land is bad, or that I hate Star Wars. It's that it doesn't do enough for me to justify the increased expenses of making a special trip for it. And honestly if they delivered on everything that was discussed, I think it could have. Since it has come up here, it will be VERY interesting to see if Universal is able to gain anything from this when they open Nintendo.
 

Mike S

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Galaxy Edge is a land to visit. If they made a TV show about Batuu, it could be really cool and interesting. Likewise if they skipped the show and made a land based on the Mandalorian, I suspect many people would also complain they don't have the emotional connection to the land. Look I will straight agree with the fact that Disney had a tough road in making GE emotionally click for the reasons many have stated. As has been stated ad nauseum, Harry Potter is just way different in that regard. But I also think that is why the extras for GE is so much more important.

I haven't been to GE. I would guess I would enjoy (but not love) the land (FYI, that will have at least something to do with the lack of music, attack me with the "Immersion" stuff all you want), but my lack of jumping up and booking is noteworthy if there are masses like me. It's not that I think the land is bad, or that I hate Star Wars. It's that it doesn't do enough for me to justify the increased expenses of making a special trip for it. And honestly if they delivered on everything that was discussed, I think it could have. Since it has come up here, it will be VERY interesting to see if Universal is able to gain anything from this when they open Nintendo.
When Nintendo opens in Japan next year you will see MASSIVE lines. The type of lines we all initially expected for Star Wars. You can absolutely bet on it.
 

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