News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[Deleted member 107043]

Hans, weren't you frisked by a robot in a public parking garage?

No. I was too freaked out by it to get close enough to be frisked! I need to find that video and post it here.

 

[Practical Pig]

Hans, weren't you frisked by a robot in a public parking garage?

QUE?

No. I was too freaked out by it to get close enough to be frisked! I need to find that video and post it here.

Pronto, por favor.

 

[Curious Constance]

The robot was adorable!!!!

 

[Disney Irish]

No. I was too freaked out by it to get close enough to be frisked! I need to find that video and post it here.

Wasn't it one of those parking lot security robots, or is my memory going faulty?

 

[Disney Analyst]

They already have robots delivery room service in hotels.

 

[MisterPenguin]

They already have robots delivery room service in hotels.

When did they train robots to be midwives?

 

[nevol]

But once you step outside?

You wouldn't. They would have some enclosed troop transport vehicle narrative to get you in and out of the hotel. You won't be able to get into the guest areas without first riding an elevator up from one space ship to a larger one.

 

[nevol]

Cause if there's one thing a hotel experience is missing its a simulator entrance...

This is gonna be a hard pass from me.

All they're referring to is something like the preshow elevator for Journey to the center of the earth or haunted mansion. You won't actually have to sit in a star tours simulator to get to the hotel. They can't do that with guest health and height restrictions.

And, seriously, who would want to vacation in the Star Wars universe, let alone live there? It's a terrible Galaxy full of insta-death, slavery, and the most shallow, two-dimensional humans imaginable. The only place worth visiting is Dex's Diner, and it won't even be there.

Why should disney care at all about theming and immersion? It isn't like we actually think its the 1800s. Who wants to visit the world of indiana jones anyway? Or go to outer space? We know tomb raiding is dangerous. And we would explode if we left the atmosphere. Disney shouldn't even bother to theme. They should just build bars everywhere and carnival rides. Like DCA, but cheaper. (Please read this: The architecture of the fundamental Disneyland experience is delivering on both human aspiration and near-death experiences, promising survival and safety. That simulated psychological survival is what they call Reassurance. Do you want to know how many skulls there are at Disneyland? Have you failed to notice how many references to death there are? https://www.scribd.com/document/17664805/Disneyland-Is-Good-For-You Disney-Land is Good for You: Charlie Haas on the Magic Kingdom's Master Manipulator (New West Magazine, 1978)

Two words: Lawsuit City. This is a family hotel with children everywhere. This is not a situation in which Disney will experiment with using free-roaming robotics. Everything about this project will have to be ok'd with the legal department.

LOL the entire land will be filled with free roaming droids. They already test them in tomorrowland. They just roam around like those ruumba vacuums and the second they bump into anything they stop. WHAT A DEATH MACHINE
Disneyland: Jake the Droid Exploring Tomorrowland - YouTube

It's hard to explain what it feels like to see a corporation keep destroying things one loved and replacing them with things one hat-- er, aren't as enthusiastic about. We old Disney fans feel like Loraxes watching our Truffula Trees getting turned into Thneeds!

I'd rather have something that wasn't budget cut to death and designed by people with passion than nothing at all. When you take off the rose colored glasses, so much of disneyland is junk. Los Angeles apartment-quality set dressing/styling. I don't feel like going on. But nothing in this land will be a mistake. WDI can't even handle some light painting or tent building in their recent projects because all of the production budget is going to this. People act like they blew it by losing potter to universal and that they're too lazy to do things like ban coke products etc for the sake of storytelling. Then they finally go all-in on a project like that that isn't pixar pier and everyone is cynical because we are self-aware.

If I can add an "initially" to the end of your comment, I'm happy to agree with it. I wasn't intending to suggest that the SW Resort would open with all that slightly futuristic tech already in place. But it seems to me likely that this hotel will test-market (not test) potential practical robotic and AI technologies as they emerge, with the goal of finding efficient cost-cutting technologies for the future of WDC hotel operations.

I also don't think we are terribly far away from AI computer "entities" handling front desk and concierge services with low-staffed human oversight. Let me stress that I don't want to see these human jobs replaced with robotics, but you know ... history.

I'm confused. Does nobody else here know about the droid roaming around tomorrowland? WDI's patent for soft-AI? The recent article by disney research about their scheduling algorithm for guests participating in the star wars hotel experiences throughout star wars land and how human guides will be the interface between guests and that system? That the land/project is code-named Delos, in reference to Westworld? That they are building live action roleplay into this land and it isn't simply about attractions? Are we too busy talking about social agendas in movies to remember what this thread is actually about?

http://www.itechpost.com/articles/92155/20170317/disneyland-ventures-ai-realistic-droids.htm
https://www.disneyresearch.com/publication/inspireme/ -scheduling software
https://www.disneyresearch.com/publ...atives-with-mixed-integer-linear-programming/ --AI creating custom narratives based on inputs from the star wars canon

 

[winstongator]

You know darn well what a huge difference there is between monitored show robotics and free roaming hotel droids. We'll have that kind of robotics in hotels just about when we get through a full year without a "self-driving" car killing someone.

We will probably never have another year without a traffic fatality involving a self-driving car. The trajectory of their miles-driven is increasing, likely exponentially. In 2016 over 37,000 people died in traffic accidents. The target number for self-driving cars is not zero, it's reducing from that. We could make huge progress against that simply by changing the legal blood alcohol level. Countries with lower limits have significantly less accidents.

Uber's self-driving system has been in the news a lot, but I'd expect them to be among the worst systems.

Waymo, formerly the self-driving car project of Google, said that in tests on roads in California last year, its cars went an average of nearly 5,600 miles before the driver had to take control from the computer to steer out of trouble. As of March, Uber was struggling to meet its target of 13 miles per “intervention” in Arizona, according to 100 pages of company documents obtained by The New York Times and two people familiar with the company’s operations in the Phoenix area but not permitted to speak publicly about it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/technology/uber-self-driving-cars-arizona.html

Uber is not a software company in the way google, microsoft, amazon, or even apple is. They have a simple app that connects drivers to passengers. I would not expect them to have anywhere near the engineering horsepower to compete with software giants.

 

[winstongator]

All they're referring to is something like the preshow elevator for Journey to the center of the earth or haunted mansion. You won't actually have to sit in a star tours simulator to get to the hotel. They can't do that with guest health and height restrictions.
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I'm confused. Does nobody else here know about the droid roaming around tomorrowland? WDI's patent for soft-AI? The recent article by disney research about their scheduling algorithm for guests participating in the star wars hotel experiences throughout star wars land and how human guides will be the interface between guests and that system? Are we too busy talking about social agendas in movies to remember what this thread is actually about?

http://www.itechpost.com/articles/92155/20170317/disneyland-ventures-ai-realistic-droids.htm
https://www.disneyresearch.com/publication/inspireme/ -scheduling software
https://www.disneyresearch.com/publ...atives-with-mixed-integer-linear-programming/ --AI creating custom narratives based on inputs from the star wars canon

Great points. WWoHP is immersive. Probably more so than Pandora, but that's a function of it being a few streets in London, an English village and a castle. The level of immersion in Galaxy's Edge will be deeper, again somewhat because they want to take you to another planet. I also think the custom narratives/missions will be much more interesting than the wand experiences, although perhaps with the same upcharge. Universal could have done this. Imagine a Hogwarts Hotel. Send them the letters Hogwarts students get, have everyone go through the sorting hat, there's a lot you could do.

I wonder the extent they'll use AR/VR in the hotel. Remember the blast shield lightsaber training Luke did in Star Wars? Make that a VR headset, use a VR vest like they have at the Void, and people will be lining up to stand in a closet for an hour to practice their laser sword skills. I loved the Void experience, but I don't know how it's doing $-wise (which is how these things are judged - does anyone remember Go Corp?). There are all sorts of adventures/characters to use. You could be a bounty hunter, spy looking for something, spy delivering a message, pilot waiting for wayward travelers.

This will be small enough that it will be a tough get initially, at almost any price. Past that, the occupancy-price product will be how it will be judged. People pay a lot of money for themed immersive experiences: adult fantasy baseball camps and dude ranches for two examples. There's very little that would discouraging me from going with my dad & daughter, at least once.

 

[nevol]

Great points. WWoHP is immersive. Probably more so than Pandora, but that's a function of it being a few streets in London, an English village and a castle. The level of immersion in Galaxy's Edge will be deeper, again somewhat because they want to take you to another planet. I also think the custom narratives/missions will be much more interesting than the wand experiences, although perhaps with the same upcharge. Universal could have done this. Imagine a Hogwarts Hotel. Send them the letters Hogwarts students get, have everyone go through the sorting hat, there's a lot you could do.

I wonder the extent they'll use AR/VR in the hotel. Remember the blast shield lightsaber training Luke did in Star Wars? Make that a VR headset, use a VR vest like they have at the Void, and people will be lining up to stand in a closet for an hour to practice their laser sword skills. I loved the Void experience, but I don't know how it's doing $-wise (which is how these things are judged - does anyone remember Go Corp?). There are all sorts of adventures/characters to use. You could be a bounty hunter, spy looking for something, spy delivering a message, pilot waiting for wayward travelers.

This will be small enough that it will be a tough get initially, at almost any price. Past that, the occupancy-price product will be how it will be judged. People pay a lot of money for themed immersive experiences: adult fantasy baseball camps and dude ranches for two examples. There's very little that would discouraging me from going with my dad & daughter, at least once.

Very curious about the light sabers as well. Iger said he wasn't going to use VR in the parks, but that AR was a possibility. They don't just need to be concerned with how the light saber looks, and sounds, but how it feels. How can they simulate the experience of the resistance one might feel when it crashes into another saber and it kicks back? This could be done with internal mechanics. I'm sure there are patents floating around that lay it all out but I can't recall, as the light saber isn't really my area of interest. I'm more quick to recall the patents about things like biometric machine vision that can reroute riders based on their fear levels and other emotional metrics, as well as soft AI animatronics' ability to track guests' pupils to make eye contact.

 

[Old Mouseketeer]

The rinky **** effects were charming and added warmth and heart to the movies. Think back to all the classic, really good movies. And now imagine them being remade into blockbusters. They would all be ruined.

The Princess Bride is one of my favorites. Cheap effects galore. I pray someone never remakes it. I'll refuse to see it.

First VHS tape I ever bought and I own it in every format since. It was only after the movie came out that I understood the brilliance of Goldman's book. I was introduced to it by Ron Schneider who went on to become the original Dreamfinder when Epcot opened. We were working at Magic Mountain together several years before that. I highly recommend Cary Elwes' memoir about it, As You Wish. It's worth it just for the Andre the Giant stories.

 

[Rich T]

"Most important, Relay is safe around people -- and not just workers in steel-toed boots. Relay gracefully navigates through dynamic environments, avoiding all obstacles and people in his way. He is especially gentle and safe around children who often want to hug him or chase him through the hallways. In fact, the first time we installed Relay in a hotel, we saw a three year old’s bare feet through the robot’s eyes. That’s the safety case we designed Relay for. "

http://www.savioke.com/blog/2017/10...ing-good-morning-america-make-plans-for-relay

You don't think they are thinking of that when designing these bots?

You don't think all manufacturer PR material paints the rosiest picture possible? "In fact, the first time we installed Relay in a hotel, we saw a three year old’s bare feet through the robot’s eyes. That’s the safety case we designed Relay for." That kind of kiss-the-baby snake-oil talk just makes me want to puke.

 

[Rich T]

If I can add an "initially" to the end of your comment, I'm happy to agree with it. I wasn't intending to suggest that the SW Resort would open with all that slightly futuristic tech already in place. But it seems to me likely that this hotel will test-market (not test) potential practical robotic and AI technologies as they emerge, with the goal of finding efficient cost-cutting technologies for the future of WDC hotel operations.

I also don't think we are terribly far away from AI computer "entities" handling front desk and concierge services with low-staffed human oversight. Let me stress that I don't want to see these human jobs replaced with robotics, but you know ... history.

Yes, the "initially" is realistic. And thank you for including your last sentence about the jobs.

 

[Rich T]

All they're referring to is something like the preshow elevator for Journey to the center of the earth or haunted mansion. You won't actually have to sit in a star tours simulator to get to the hotel. They can't do that with guest health and height restrictions.
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Why should disney care at all about theming and immersion? It isn't like we actually think its the 1800s. Who wants to visit the world of indiana jones anyway? Or go to outer space? We know tomb raiding is dangerous. And we would explode if we left the atmosphere. Disney shouldn't even bother to theme. They should just build bars everywhere and carnival rides. Like DCA, but cheaper. (Please read this: The architecture of the fundamental Disneyland experience is delivering on both human aspiration and near-death experiences, promising survival and safety. That simulated psychological survival is what they call Reassurance. Do you want to know how many skulls there are at Disneyland? Have you failed to notice how many references to death there are? https://www.scribd.com/document/17664805/Disneyland-Is-Good-For-You Disney-Land is Good for You: Charlie Haas on the Magic Kingdom's Master Manipulator (New West Magazine, 1978)


LOL the entire land will be filled with free roaming droids. They already test them in tomorrowland. They just roam around like those ruumba vacuums and the second they bump into anything they stop. WHAT A DEATH MACHINE
Disneyland: Jake the Droid Exploring Tomorrowland - YouTube


I'd rather have something that wasn't budget cut to death and designed by people with passion than nothing at all. When you take off the rose colored glasses, so much of disneyland is junk. Los Angeles apartment-quality set dressing/styling. I don't feel like going on. But nothing in this land will be a mistake. WDI can't even handle some light painting or tent building in their recent projects because all of the production budget is going to this. People act like they blew it by losing potter to universal and that they're too lazy to do things like ban coke products etc for the sake of storytelling. Then they finally go all-in on a project like that that isn't pixar pier and everyone is cynical because we are self-aware.


I'm confused. Does nobody else here know about the droid roaming around tomorrowland? WDI's patent for soft-AI? The recent article by disney research about their scheduling algorithm for guests participating in the star wars hotel experiences throughout star wars land and how human guides will be the interface between guests and that system? That the land/project is code-named Delos, in reference to Westworld? That they are building live action roleplay into this land and it isn't simply about attractions? Are we too busy talking about social agendas in movies to remember what this thread is actually about?

http://www.itechpost.com/articles/92155/20170317/disneyland-ventures-ai-realistic-droids.htm
https://www.disneyresearch.com/publication/inspireme/ -scheduling software
https://www.disneyresearch.com/publ...atives-with-mixed-integer-linear-programming/ --AI creating custom narratives based on inputs from the star wars canon

Dude. Take a deep breath. I'm a lifelong Disney fan/geek who loves all the dark elements at the parks. (Pause) That doesn't mean I want to sleep in that environment when I go back to the hotel. It doesn't mean I want to pay thousands of dollar to pretend to live in that world. That's what I meant, and I know I don't speak for everyone.

The public roaming 'bots at Disney are supervised at all times. You might not see the supervisor, but they're there.

And I'm not talking about bots *killing* guests. I'm talking lawsuits. All it takes is one opportunistic guest getting bumped, or--heaven forbid-- tripping over one and Disney could be sued for millions of dollars while the media blows it all out of proportion and the GP now thinks Disney is freaking Westworld.

I'm just being realistic. Disney is not going to have unsupervised free-roaming bots interacting with a vast random assortment of idiot guests who are one phone call away from an attorney and one tweet away from an exaggerated claim like "I was just assaulted by a Disney robot!" Disney likes their money. They want to keep the money.

 

[Rich T]

BTW, in light of any future lawsuits, Disney codenaming an AI project "Delos" is possibly the stupidest thing anyone at Disney has ever done, short of designing "Light Magic."

 

[Disney Irish]

You don't think all manufacturer PR material paints the rosiest picture possible? "In fact, the first time we installed Relay in a hotel, we saw a three year old’s bare feet through the robot’s eyes. That’s the safety case we designed Relay for." That kind of kiss-the-baby snake-oil talk just makes me want to puke.

My point is these companies are thinking about kids and what is needed for these bots to function safely around them.

Dude. Take a deep breath. I'm a lifelong Disney fan/geek who loves all the dark elements at the parks. (Pause) That doesn't mean I want to sleep in that environment when I go back to the hotel. It doesn't mean I want to pay thousands of dollar to pretend to live in that world. That's what I meant, and I know I don't speak for everyone.

The public roaming 'bots at Disney are supervised at all times. You might not see the supervisor, but they're there.

And I'm not talking about bots *killing* guests. I'm talking lawsuits. All it takes is one opportunistic guest getting bumped, or--heaven forbid-- tripping over one and Disney could be sued for millions of dollars while the media blows it all out of proportion and the GP now thinks Disney is freaking Westworld.

I'm just being realistic. Disney is not going to have unsupervised free-roaming bots interacting with a vast random assortment of idiot guests who are one phone call away from an attorney and one tweet away from an exaggerated claim like "I was just assaulted by a Disney robot!" Disney likes their money. They want to keep the money.

And you don't think Disney lawyers already have thought of the idiot guest who would trip over a delivery or any other bot? There will probably be signs posted all over "Be on the look out for bots". The realistic aspect of this should be the realization that Disney is not going to shy away from these bots just because you think guests are stupid.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Pronto, por favor.

I found the clip, but this site doesn't allow mp4 files to be uploaded.

 

[Rich T]

My point is these companies are thinking about kids and what is needed for these bots to function safely around them.



And you don't think Disney lawyers already have thought of the idiot guest who would trip over a delivery or any other bot? There will probably be signs posted all over "Be on the look out for bots". The realistic aspect of this should be the realization that Disney is not going to shy away from these bots just because you think guests are stupid.

Yes. I'm saying the lawyers have and are thinking about this and that is exactly why use of bots will be limited and supervised. This is 2018 era theme park reality. Disney is not going to experiment with unsupervised free roaming bots. The risk is not worth the reward, regardless of what the PR department wants potential guests to believe. I'm sorry, but "Look out for bots" signs aren't gonna cut it in a resort environment.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

All they're referring to is something like the preshow elevator for Journey to the center of the earth or haunted mansion. You won't actually have to sit in a star tours simulator to get to the hotel. They can't do that with guest health and height restrictions.

lol, I know. I was being sarcastic.

Btw, I love that we're all so vehemently discussing this hotel that is not even coming to our park.