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Phroobar

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I don't know. I really enjoyed the first half of Force Awakens, but the whole movie feels like fan service with little thought put in. The 2nd half becomes a bore as we go for yet another trench run. Last Jedi was at least something new and different. It is a much stronger film, even if it trolls fanbois by not playing into hackey writing tropes. It isn't perfect, far from, but its still a better film.
I agree. You got to wonder about the mental stability of a vlogger that has to spend an hour screaming about how a movie didn't follow his personal made up fan fiction idea. Star Wars vloggers are just as stupid as Disney park vloggers. I bet there is a lot of overlap and inbreeding.
 

Model3 McQueen

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I don't know. I really enjoyed the first half of Force Awakens, but the whole movie feels like fan service with little thought put in. The 2nd half becomes a bore as we go for yet another trench run. Last Jedi was at least something new and different. It is a much stronger film, even if it trolls fanbois by not playing into hackey writing tropes. It isn't perfect, far from, but its still a better film.

I mean to each their own. I really liked Force Awakens. I "enjoyed" it the first time, but had to watch it a second - third time to really appreciate everything about the movie. I enjoyed the first scene in TLJ but that was it. Couldn't get into the car chase plot, the worthless secondary plot of Rose and Finn, Superman Leia, and in my head there was a huge opportunity missed from Rey not joining the dark side (which I think should've happened for a spicier twist). I mean her parents were a throwaway point which I think was another miss and Luke was pathetic.

I agree. You got to wonder about the mental stability of a vlogger that has to spend an hour screaming about how a movie didn't follow his personal made up fan fiction idea. Star Wars vloggers are just as stupid as Disney park vloggers. I bet there is a lot of overlap and inbreeding.

Say what you will but it's those Star Wars "vloggers" or fans that determine how successful a film is

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Stevek

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I enjoyed TFA quite a bit more than TLJ...not that I disliked the latter but the whole Canto Bight section was an absolute waste of time. I do understand some folks concerns with Luke's personality but I also completely get what Rian was going for and that kinda worked for me. Oddly enough, my wife and daughters are not big SW fans but they do go to each of the new movies with me. They all felt that TLJ was their favorite SW movie. I am very interested in what JJ will do with Ep IX and if it will flow well with the first 2 or feel like a standalone.
 

Rich T

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I don't know. I really enjoyed the first half of Force Awakens, but the whole movie feels like fan service with little thought put in. The 2nd half becomes a bore as we go for yet another trench run. Last Jedi was at least something new and different. It is a much stronger film, even if it trolls fanbois by not playing into hackey writing tropes. It isn't perfect, far from, but its still a better film.
On video, I stop watching Force Awakens when they reach Cantina 2.0. Up till then it's good fun. I don't blame Disney for playing it safe with this one; they absolutely had to make a crowd-pleaser. Last Jedi, though... It took me from "Curious to see where Disney takes this" to "I now have no interest whatsoever in where Disney take this." No biggie; My interest in Star Wars really goes no further than IV and V and my great memories of seeing them both on opening day, back when CGI was in its infancy and model making and stop motion animation were still state of the art. :)
 

Phroobar

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Say what you will but it's those Star Wars "vloggers" or fans that determine how successful a film is

No. Not really. It must be the most unsuccessful movie of all time since it's total All time domestic gross is #7 The Last Jedi $620,181,088.
It's about $68 million more than Infinity War right now. vloggers have nothing to do with reality.

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Model3 McQueen

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
No. Not really. It must be the most unsuccessful movie of all time since it's total All time domestic gross is #7 The Last Jedi $620,181,088.
It's about $68 million more than Infinity War right now. vloggers have nothing to do with reality.

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Those other people would fit into the "or fans" category.
 

Mouse3268

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TFA was very good, but TLJ is fundamentally a better movie. Brilliant cinematography with so many gorgeous shots, good humor and an excellent second act to the overall trilogy arc that tears everything down and truly puts our heroes into a position where they are just barley surviving.
 

dweezil78

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I don't know. I really enjoyed the first half of Force Awakens, but the whole movie feels like fan service with little thought put in. The 2nd half becomes a bore as we go for yet another trench run. Last Jedi was at least something new and different. It is a much stronger film, even if it trolls fanbois by not playing into hackey writing tropes. It isn't perfect, far from, but its still a better film.

Agreed, as I've had time to sit with both... BUT, with the way Last Jedi ended, I really don't have this burning desire to see the next movie either. I'm not really invested in the stories or characters like I hoped I'd be when the second chapter ended, nor does it really seem like there's really much more story to tell. I'm sure they'll figure out something of course, but I'm not really on the edge of my seat waiting to find out what it is either ya know?
 

dweezil78

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good humor

Sorry, no matter how many times Rian tries to justify it, the humor in that first scene w/ Poe and Hux does not at all feel like Star Wars humor. I love the original trilogy for its humor and lighthearted moments, but there's just a stylistic difference in what he was going for there that doesn't really have the right feel. I'm sure others can describe it better than I can...
 

Stevek

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Agreed, as I've had time to sit with both... BUT, with the way Last Jedi ended, I really don't have this burning desire to see the next movie either. I'm not really invested in the stories or characters like I hoped I'd be when the second chapter ended, nor does it really seem like there's really much more story to tell. I'm sure they'll figure out something of course, but I'm not really on the edge of my seat waiting to find out what it is either ya know?
I'm ready to see it through and actually think they have a lot to resolve. By killing off Snoke, they've now freed Kylo to be a true villain if they want and I think there is still much to learn about Rey...and I'm sure Luke will be back in a bigger way than we think.

But first, Solo. Starting to get much more optimistic about this one. Reasonably good reviews so far and I'm loving the look that Opie has pulled off. Have my tix for next Thursday night.
 

Stevek

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Sorry, no matter how many times Rian tries to justify it, the humor in that first scene w/ Poe and Hux does not at all feel like Star Wars humor. I love the original trilogy for its humor and lighthearted moments, but there's just a stylistic difference in what he was going for there that doesn't really have the right feel. I'm sure others can describe it better than I can...
Yep, that set a bit of a negative tone for me right off the bat. I think some things worked, that scene didn't.
 

dweezil78

Well-Known Member
I'm ready to see it through and actually think they have a lot to resolve. By killing off Snoke, they've now freed Kylo to be a true villain if they want and I think there is still much to learn about Rey...and I'm sure Luke will be back in a bigger way than we think.

But first, Solo. Starting to get much more optimistic about this one. Reasonably good reviews so far and I'm loving the look that Opie has pulled off. Have my tix for next Thursday night.

Yeah...but we've only got one movie left in this trilogy and then as far as I know, these people are done eh? I feel like it could end up being a case of being too little, too late. The second movie just didn't inch things forward enough. If it was a TV series, it could've been a filler episode! A beautiful, well shot, very enjoyable filler episode.
 

smile

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good humor

the hux call? lowest of the low.
- wise move to put it in the beginning, tho; makes the remaining pathetic attempts at humor seem more palatable.

second act to the overall trilogy arc that tears everything down and truly puts our heroes into a position where they are just barley surviving.

how novel to take us back to where we'd been before...
and with characters nobody really cares about.

bravo, rian
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Say what you will but it's those Star Wars "vloggers" or fans that determine how successful a film is

There's a problem with that Rotten Tomatoes score...

Rotten Tomatoes had 193k users vote and it wound up with a score of 47.​
IMDB had 377k users vote and it wound up with a score of 73.​

So... which is right? They're wildly different scores, are they not? Perhaps the one with the most votes is more valid? Or maybe not. Who knows, because self-selecting voting on an internet poll is not a scientific sampling and very often gives skewed results.

So, was there any scientific sampling of those who saw the movie? Yes. Yes there was. A lot.

CinemaScore, which does polling to come up with an industry guess as to how well the Box Office will do based on opening week numbers, gave it an A from viewer polling.​
ComScore PostTrak, similar to CinemaScore, found that 68% of the audience thought it was excellent. And another 21% "very good."​
SurveyMonkey polled people nationwide after the opening weekend and of those who saw it, 89% said the loved or like it.​

So, the self-selecting RT user score is out of line with IMDB's score and all the scientific polling.

But that's not only way to show the RT user score is an outlier...

The Box Office take puts the drop off from Ep 7 to Ep 8 in between the percentage drop of Ep 4 to Ep 5 and Ep 1 to Ep 2. And yes, China didn't want to have anything to do with it, but they were cool to SW anyway and they are the one outlier... compared to the whole world.​
And then there's all the critics' scores which, when aggregated, wind up in the 80%-ish range... just like the IMDB score and all the scientific polls.​

So, when there's some hot-head in a nerd-rage in a YouTube video dropping F-Bombs, know that you can find also find hundreds of positive reviews from the 92% of RT aggregated critics who recommended it.

[This isn't an argument the movie was perfect. This is an argument against the implicit argument that "most people hated it" based on the RT score and the loudness of those who didn't like it.]

Tables, for fun...

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