News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

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I found this picture showing what the area looked like 2 years ago. It's amazing how different it is now.
 
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mickEblu said:
I would love a side by side of this very shot. Do you really think that what stands there now is better than what you see in this picture?
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Yes. The previous set up was pretty, but it was mostly just a bunch of trees that didn't tell much of a story. Give it time. The new vegetation will grow and it'll be even better in a few years.
 
mickEblu

mickEblu

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
Yes. The previous set up was pretty, but it was mostly just a bunch of trees that didn't tell much of a story. Give it time. The new vegetation will grow and it'll be even better in a few years.
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I'm willing to be open minded and think long term it might end up better. But right now it doesn't feel that way. I think if there are any lands where is less is more, those would definitely be Critter Country and Frontierland. Where letting those trees go added to the theme/ ambiance. Kind of like not cleaning the dust at the Haunted Mansion.

I think if the primary purpose of theme parks are to transport you to other worlds then this is a downgrade. Previously when you were back there you really felt like you were somewhere in the wilderness and now that feeling is lost.

In addition, by losing that feeling of being in the middle of nowhere, you lose some of the variety in the park. I guess you can still kind of feel that in certain parts of TSI but with the Big Thunder Trail re do and ROA redo the park lost a lot of it. Now it's more pathways, more people and more of what you see everywhere else in the park or in your everyday life. Anyway it is what it is, I'm not saying that this is some devistating loss for me personally, as I rarely rode those river boats anyway. I think 3 times total. Just calling it like I see it.

Overall the imagineers did a great job with the parameters/ constraints given. Although those changes aren't going to make me ride the Trains or boats anymore than I did in their past iterations.
 
Antaundra

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mickEblu said:
I would love a side by side of this very shot. Do you really think that what stands there now is better than what you see in this picture?
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What's there now is more polished, but less charming. That's pretty much how I feel about all the changes being made at Disneyland right now. Star Wars, the new river, Fantasmic 2.0, projections in the rides/diorama, new Harold, Princess Fantasy Faire, etc... they are improvements, they objectively make Disneyland a better park. But they're also destroying what made Disneyland so charming and different from every other Disney park in the world. I feel the same way about Disneyland's improvements as I did when my mom remodeled my childhood home. The remodel was undoubtedly an improvement but it removed the charm that made it special to me.
 
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mickEblu

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Antaundra said:
What's there now is more polished, but less charming. That's pretty much how I feel about all the changes being made at Disneyland right now. Star Wars, the new river, Fantasmic 2.0, projections in the rides/diorama, new Harold, Princess Fantasy Faire, etc... they are improvements, they objectively make Disneyland a better park. But they're also destroying what made Disneyland so charming and different from every other Disney park in the world. I feel the same way about Disneyland's improvements as I did when my mom remodeled my childhood home. The remodel was undoubtedly an improvement but it removed the charm that made it special to me.
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I agree with the basic sentiment here. I'm just not sure that the new river in and of itself objectively makes Disneyland better. Or that it's even possible for folks to objectively agree on anything in regards to Disneyland.
 
BrianLo

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Antaundra said:
What's there now is more polished, but less charming. That's pretty much how I feel about all the changes being made at Disneyland right now. Star Wars, the new river, Fantasmic 2.0, projections in the rides/diorama, new Harold, Princess Fantasy Faire, etc... they are improvements, they objectively make Disneyland a better park. But they're also destroying what made Disneyland so charming and different from every other Disney park in the world. I feel the same way about Disneyland's improvements as I did when my mom remodeled my childhood home. The remodel was undoubtedly an improvement but it removed the charm that made it special to me.
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I think you've just described nostalgia to a T. It's in the eye of the beholder but don't mistake less nostalgia for less charm.

Fantasy Faire for example is incredibly charming, I don't think the bushes that proceeded it were more charming... just more familiar.
 
TP2000

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mickEblu said:
Wow thanks! Ugh. The left is obviously much better and that's the view most guests see. Many don't ride any of the river boats.
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But the thing just opened two days ago, and the entire backside of the berm hasn't even been planted yet. They've planted about 25% of the trees for Star Wars Land/Frontierland Expansion, with hundreds and hundreds more still sitting in nurseries from Santa Barbara to San Diego. Disney made mention that "over 1,000 new trees" would be planted for Star Wars Land, and the entire backside of Frontierland's new berm shown here is still barren and treeless.

The backside of the new Frontierland berm is still a major construction zone, with hundreds of trees to be planted to shield the view out of Star Wars Land for those inside it.
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Plus, what trees that have been planted, mature and perfectly curated as they are, are in transplant shock and haven't yet begun to leaf out. That will take one full growing cycle for them to recover and begin to thrive again.

britain said:
Yes, well, give the view on the right 50 years and it will be just as good AND have the new additions to the river PLUS Star Wars behind it.
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I don't think we'll need that long. A few hundred more trees will be planted beyond this berm a year from now, and then within three or four years from that they will have grown up and out quite a bit. It's all a dramatic improvement over the non-theme that was there before!
 
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BrianLo said:
I think you've just described nostalgia to a T. It's in the eye of the beholder but don't mistake less nostalgia for less charm.

Fantasy Faire for example is incredibly charming, I don't think the bushes that proceeded it were more charming... just more familiar.
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Hmmm in many cases it's possible but I don't think that's in play here. Preferring a restaurant that was right on the water with the backdrop of 100 + foot trees that gave the illusion that you were somewhere in the back Country to a barren view with a path next to the restaurant instead of the water with a clear view of Mickey & Friends? I wouldn't say that's nostalgia as much as theming / ambiance being downgraded, at least for the time being.
 
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TP2000 said:
But the thing just opened two days ago, and the entire backside of the berm hasn't even been planted yet. They've planted about 25% of the trees for Star Wars Land/Frontierland Expansion, with hundreds and hundreds more still sitting in nurseries from Santa Barbara to San Diego. Disney made mention that "over 1,000 new trees" would be planted for Star Wars Land, and the entire backside of Frontierland's new berm shown here is still barren and treeless.

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Ok that is a huge game changer. I would have guessed that the majority of the trees had been planted. Can I ask how you know that they ve only planted 25% so far?
 
BrianLo

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mickEblu said:
Hmmm in many cases it's possible but I don't think that's in play here. Preferring a restaurant that was right on the water with the backdrop of 100 + foot trees that gave the illusion that you were somewhere in the back Country to a barren view with a path next to the restaurant instead of the water with a clear view of Mickey & Friends? I wouldn't say that's nostalgia as much as theming / ambiance being downgraded, at least for the time being.
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I agree I don't think this one particular view is improved *currently*. I think the backside of the river though looks much better than before already, as well as many more vantage points then this one, which was obviously going to be a downgrade for the sake of a walking path.

Tree growth probably needs to be somewhere in between the two images - i.e. This needs to grow, that previous view needed to be pruned.

I take it a lot of people here who think the previous view is 'wilderness' are city dwellers. It looks like someone's run down cottage with overgrown foliage next to a stagnant man-made pond. Currently it looks too open and planned. But if I had to choose the first view with mature trees was better.
 

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