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dweezil78

Well-Known Member
Since the topic of "What is the Falcon Experience" has surfaced again and has caused some confusion, let's try to make things as simple as possible by using analogies (so, those that scored high on their Verbal on their SATs - please enjoy).

Big Bird is to Star Wars Land/Star Wars Fans as the Hogwarts Express is to Diagon Alley/Potterheads.

The actual ride experience (the part in the RV) isn't the "big deal" with the big bird.

The BIG DEAL is how the how whole thing ties together. Guests will have the experience of going into a spaceport, walking through a hanger and actually going into the Falcon, walking through a part of it and then sitting down in one of those iconic 4 seats (ok, it's actually 6 on the RV) and taking flight. The RV is simply the rug that ties the room together (for the Dudes that abide).

So while I get what you are saying... and I desperately want to believe, I have a hard time seeing how this is any different than any other themed attraction tied to an iconic property. It sounds great, don't get me wrong. But the thing that elevates Hogwarts Express from being just another ride is that it actually transports you to a completely different land. It is a real train with real train stations and a whole extra layer of show on top of that. If Hogwarts was simply one of the train stations and the train part without going anywhere, would it be nearly as cool? I'm not so certain it would be!
 

truecoat

Well-Known Member
Just wait until Disney comes with their Jimmy Kimmel ride!

Kimmel vs Damon:The RIDE! With extra screenz!

Kimmel vs Damon the ride.jpg
 

JediMasterMatt

Well-Known Member
So while I get what you are saying... and I desperately want to believe, I have a hard time seeing how this is any different than any other themed attraction tied to an iconic property. It sounds great, don't get me wrong. But the thing that elevates Hogwarts Express from being just another ride is that it actually transports you to a completely different land. It is a real train with real train stations and a whole extra layer of show on top of that. If Hogwarts was simply one of the train stations and the train part without going anywhere, would it be nearly as cool? I'm not so certain it would be!

You are missing the boat/starship on what will be the strength of the attraction and the reason why I responded in the form of an analogy.

The Universal attraction Hogwarts Express resonates with Potter fans differently than what you are describing above. As an average theme park guest, the Express does physically transport you from one themed environment to another and that is a tangible level of immersion that anyone, fan of the fiction or not, can appreciate.

For a Potter fan, winding your way through King's Cross and turning that corner unto the platform and seeing the bright red train pumping out steam is an entirely different level of connection that a casual guest visiting for the day won't ever relate to in the same way as a fan.

For a non-fan, the Express can be appreciated by the "destination" the attraction takes you to.

For a fan, it's the entire Express process of the (Forbidden, sorry - couldn't help myself) "journey" the attraction takes you through from the moment you first see the façade and enter the line. In the fiction, the Hogwarts Express was Harry's symbolic entry into an entirely new world.

The Millennium Falcon is the OG nerd's Express. It was Luke's first step into a larger world where he crossed the threshold of his hero's journey and left his home (planet in this case) behind and entered into an uncharted path of self discovery.

The MF attraction will connect with Star Wars fans on level that will be intangibly measured in ways a non-versed person to the SW universe will never resonate with. To the uninitiated, it will simply be a virtually seamless migration from interesting queue in an alien to us environment, into the ship, and finally it taking you on an adventure.

I want to be clear though... the ride itself is still most definitely an E-ticket; but, it's one that the end of the day is just a simulator. We all can understand exactly what that means as we've all been on them before, so temper your expectations on the time you are in motion on it. Also, when I say "just a simulator" - that isn't a slight by any stretch. After many years of projection based rides with simulated motion, it's easy to discount attractions that take this route to do their magic. The Falcon attraction is going to be a REALLY good simulator. It's doing some cool stuff in the way it will be using its projection and the cockpit you will be sitting in will be incredible.

In preparing everyone for the onslaught of SWL, think of the MF as the comfort food on the menu at a first rate restaurant. Alcatraz is the chef's special you've never had. Both will be excellent and world class. Both are E-tickets. One's goal is to the best simulator in the world. The other's goal is to be the best modern theme park attraction in the world.

Another way to put this whole debate about the two sister attractions is to try to think of this a new version of a debate that likely took place in 1958. "I think the Submarine Voyage will be a better ride than the Matterhorn". It's just in this fantasy debate, we don't have TDO coming in pulling the fiscal rug out from underneath the Monorail.

Ok... now back to counting the days until next week. I know art and assets have been prepared; but, I don't know how much they will actually show off.
 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
You are missing the boat/starship on what will be the strength of the attraction and the reason why I responded in the form of an analogy.

The Universal attraction Hogwarts Express resonates with Potter fans differently than what you are describing above. As an average theme park guest, the Express does physically transport you from one themed environment to another and that is a tangible level of immersion that anyone, fan of the fiction or not, can appreciate.

For a Potter fan, winding your way through King's Cross and turning that corner unto the platform and seeing the bright red train pumping out steam is an entirely different level of connection that a casual guest visiting for the day won't ever relate to in the same way as a fan.

For a non-fan, the Express can be appreciated by the "destination" the attraction takes you to.

For a fan, it's the entire Express process of the (Forbidden, sorry - couldn't help myself) "journey" the attraction takes you through from the moment you first see the façade and enter the line. In the fiction, the Hogwarts Express was Harry's symbolic entry into an entirely new world.

The Millennium Falcon is the OG nerd's Express. It was Luke's first step into a larger world where he crossed the threshold of his hero's journey and left his home (planet in this case) behind and entered into an uncharted path of self discovery.

The MF attraction will connect with Star Wars fans on level that will be intangibly measured in ways a non-versed person to the SW universe will never resonate with. To the uninitiated, it will simply be a virtually seamless migration from interesting queue in an alien to us environment, into the ship, and finally it taking you on an adventure.

I want to be clear though... the ride itself is still most definitely an E-ticket; but, it's one that the end of the day is just a simulator. We all can understand exactly what that means as we've all been on them before, so temper your expectations on the time you are in motion on it. Also, when I say "just a simulator" - that isn't a slight by any stretch. After many years of projection based rides with simulated motion, it's easy to discount attractions that take this route to do their magic. The Falcon attraction is going to be a REALLY good simulator. It's doing some cool stuff in the way it will be using its projection and the cockpit you will be sitting in will be incredible.

In preparing everyone for the onslaught of SWL, think of the MF as the comfort food on the menu at a first rate restaurant. Alcatraz is the chef's special you've never had. Both will be excellent and world class. Both are E-tickets. One's goal is to the best simulator in the world. The other's goal is to be the best modern theme park attraction in the world.

Another way to put this whole debate about the two sister attractions is to try to think of this a new version of a debate that likely took place in 1958. "I think the Submarine Voyage will be a better ride than the Matterhorn". It's just in this fantasy debate, we don't have TDO coming in pulling the fiscal rug out from underneath the Monorail.

Ok... now back to counting the days until next week. I know art and assets have been prepared; but, I don't know how much they will actually show off.

I'm wondering how much room will be in the individual cockpits of the Falcon, and how well that feeling will work?
I'm expecting that aspect - being able to sit at the controls like Han, Chewy etc. sit is going to be tremendous for Star Wars fans.
I know my sons are really going to love this.
"Comfort food" was a good choice of words.
At the risk of debating SWL vs Potter, I'd say that the Falcon is a bigger part of American culture.
Even if you barely know Star Wars, or barely care for it - it's part of pop culture.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
You are missing the boat/starship on what will be the strength of the attraction and the reason why I responded in the form of an analogy.

The Universal attraction Hogwarts Express resonates with Potter fans differently than what you are describing above. As an average theme park guest, the Express does physically transport you from one themed environment to another and that is a tangible level of immersion that anyone, fan of the fiction or not, can appreciate.

For a Potter fan, winding your way through King's Cross and turning that corner unto the platform and seeing the bright red train pumping out steam is an entirely different level of connection that a casual guest visiting for the day won't ever relate to in the same way as a fan.

For a non-fan, the Express can be appreciated by the "destination" the attraction takes you to.

For a fan, it's the entire Express process of the (Forbidden, sorry - couldn't help myself) "journey" the attraction takes you through from the moment you first see the façade and enter the line. In the fiction, the Hogwarts Express was Harry's symbolic entry into an entirely new world.

The Millennium Falcon is the OG nerd's Express. It was Luke's first step into a larger world where he crossed the threshold of his hero's journey and left his home (planet in this case) behind and entered into an uncharted path of self discovery.

The MF attraction will connect with Star Wars fans on level that will be intangibly measured in ways a non-versed person to the SW universe will never resonate with. To the uninitiated, it will simply be a virtually seamless migration from interesting queue in an alien to us environment, into the ship, and finally it taking you on an adventure.

I want to be clear though... the ride itself is still most definitely an E-ticket; but, it's one that the end of the day is just a simulator. We all can understand exactly what that means as we've all been on them before, so temper your expectations on the time you are in motion on it. Also, when I say "just a simulator" - that isn't a slight by any stretch. After many years of projection based rides with simulated motion, it's easy to discount attractions that take this route to do their magic. The Falcon attraction is going to be a REALLY good simulator. It's doing some cool stuff in the way it will be using its projection and the cockpit you will be sitting in will be incredible.

In preparing everyone for the onslaught of SWL, think of the MF as the comfort food on the menu at a first rate restaurant. Alcatraz is the chef's special you've never had. Both will be excellent and world class. Both are E-tickets. One's goal is to the best simulator in the world. The other's goal is to be the best modern theme park attraction in the world.

Another way to put this whole debate about the two sister attractions is to try to think of this a new version of a debate that likely took place in 1958. "I think the Submarine Voyage will be a better ride than the Matterhorn". It's just in this fantasy debate, we don't have TDO coming in pulling the fiscal rug out from underneath the Monorail.

Ok... now back to counting the days until next week. I know art and assets have been prepared; but, I don't know how much they will actually show off.

I'm curious how faithfully they will recreate the cockpit. The actual cockpit only seats 4 people. I assume they will stretch and add more capacity per cockpit, but I don't know how they'd explain that.
 

britain

Well-Known Member
I'm curious how faithfully they will recreate the cockpit. The actual cockpit only seats 4 people. I assume they will stretch and add more capacity per cockpit, but I don't know how they'd explain that.

The cockpit in Empire was actually quite larger than the one in A New Hope. When building the one for Force Awakens they split the difference. I don't think there will be any explanation.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
The cockpit in Empire was actually quite larger than the one in A New Hope. When building the one for Force Awakens they split the difference. I don't think there will be any explanation.

Just seems interesting, seeing as how Bob has discussed how authentic and true to the Star Wars galaxy this expansion will be.
 

DDLand

Well-Known Member
I see what you mean, but your math assumes a 10 minute long ride with a minute for load and unload (which I can guarantee it won't be). If we assume 12 RV's. WDI just doesn't build ten minute rides now a days.

Something you haven't considered is that there are essentially 12 "stops". You don't need to be fully belted in to go from stop 1 to stop 2 with a slowly drifting carousel, nor even stop 3.

6 guests can board, the door can shut and the carousel slowly drifts to the next position where another CM gets in, finishes securing all guests and then gets out. The RSR seat belt check model. The ride begins as the carousel moves to stop number three and finishes at stop 11 where everyone unbuckles and heads to the doors that opens 20-30 seconds later (for 30 seconds) at stop 12. The only limiting factor is that people need to walk through the doors within 30 seconds for the load and unload. 30 seconds for 6 people to get through a door doesn't seem unreasonable.

In that sort of scenario you'd wind up with a roughly 5 minute ride and a capacity closer to 3000. I'd split the difference and say the capacity will clearly be less and the ride length maybe a bit more (or less RV's).

Probably more like 20-25 seconds for the open doors at the load and unload spots (and CM disembarkment), 10-15 seconds to drift between stops when the carousel is engaged. That would give you a 6 minute actual ride time and a 2160 capacity. Lob off 2 RV's and keep the same ride time and you'd push down to 1800 per hour (which seems pretty standard WDI these days, even >2k seems too high).
I think you just cracked it.

This will necessitate building 8 Falcon hookup points and 4 additional pseudo hookups for Cast Members. Each of the four carousels will stop at 3 Falcons with two accessible and one for cast. This wasn't a super clear thing, so I have to applaud your intuition here.

Like a Carousel of Progress where the show scenes (or screen) follow you. Rather ingenious.

As to ride content, I wouldn't worry. This should be an enjoyable experience. Apparently Bob is more excited for this than Battle Escape, which still horrifies me (sorry @Curious Constance ;) ). Iger has experienced this attraction simulater and he says it's great.

This painted the clearest picture for me, thanks @BrianLo!
 

Curious Constance

Well-Known Member
I think you just cracked it.

This will necessitate building 8 Falcon hookup points and 4 additional pseudo hookups for Cast Members. Each of the four carousels will stop at 3 Falcons with two accessible and one for cast. This wasn't a super clear thing, so I have to applaud your intuition here.

Like a Carousel of Progress where the show scenes (or screen) follow you. Rather ingenious.

As to ride content, I wouldn't worry. This should be an enjoyable experience. Apparently Bob is more excited for this than Battle Escape, which still horrifies me (sorry @Curious Constance ;) ). Iger has experienced this attraction simulater and he says it's great.

This painted the clearest picture for me, thanks @BrianLo!

Wonder where Bob experienced this simulator????
 

dweezil78

Well-Known Member
You are missing the boat/starship on what will be the strength of the attraction and the reason why I responded in the form of an analogy.

The Universal attraction Hogwarts Express resonates with Potter fans differently than what you are describing above. As an average theme park guest, the Express does physically transport you from one themed environment to another and that is a tangible level of immersion that anyone, fan of the fiction or not, can appreciate.

For a Potter fan, winding your way through King's Cross and turning that corner unto the platform and seeing the bright red train pumping out steam is an entirely different level of connection that a casual guest visiting for the day won't ever relate to in the same way as a fan.

For a non-fan, the Express can be appreciated by the "destination" the attraction takes you to.

For a fan, it's the entire Express process of the (Forbidden, sorry - couldn't help myself) "journey" the attraction takes you through from the moment you first see the façade and enter the line. In the fiction, the Hogwarts Express was Harry's symbolic entry into an entirely new world.

The Millennium Falcon is the OG nerd's Express. It was Luke's first step into a larger world where he crossed the threshold of his hero's journey and left his home (planet in this case) behind and entered into an uncharted path of self discovery.

The MF attraction will connect with Star Wars fans on level that will be intangibly measured in ways a non-versed person to the SW universe will never resonate with. To the uninitiated, it will simply be a virtually seamless migration from interesting queue in an alien to us environment, into the ship, and finally it taking you on an adventure.

I want to be clear though... the ride itself is still most definitely an E-ticket; but, it's one that the end of the day is just a simulator. We all can understand exactly what that means as we've all been on them before, so temper your expectations on the time you are in motion on it. Also, when I say "just a simulator" - that isn't a slight by any stretch. After many years of projection based rides with simulated motion, it's easy to discount attractions that take this route to do their magic. The Falcon attraction is going to be a REALLY good simulator. It's doing some cool stuff in the way it will be using its projection and the cockpit you will be sitting in will be incredible.

In preparing everyone for the onslaught of SWL, think of the MF as the comfort food on the menu at a first rate restaurant. Alcatraz is the chef's special you've never had. Both will be excellent and world class. Both are E-tickets. One's goal is to the best simulator in the world. The other's goal is to be the best modern theme park attraction in the world.

Another way to put this whole debate about the two sister attractions is to try to think of this a new version of a debate that likely took place in 1958. "I think the Submarine Voyage will be a better ride than the Matterhorn". It's just in this fantasy debate, we don't have TDO coming in pulling the fiscal rug out from underneath the Monorail.

Ok... now back to counting the days until next week. I know art and assets have been prepared; but, I don't know how much they will actually show off.

I totally get the analogy. These are iconic moments in cinema/pop-culture that we've grown up and never imagined we'd get to experience first hand. Certainly that's something special. But we've also been spoiled by some really amazing themed attractions throughout the years at the same time. I'm really playing devil's advocate here. I'm pumped by all of this. But I think the MF experience runs the risk of being too 'on-the-nose,' you know? If it's exactly what people want/are expecting, will it really be that special or is it playing things too safe? Comfort food is great, but you can still have comfort food and put a twist on it. Throw a fried egg on that cheeseburger!

The reason I mentioned the actual mechanics of the Hogwarts Express is because that could have just been a 1 station, 1-way experience and people would have still loved it and it would have accomplished those things to a degree -- but what really elevates that into something standout and special is the way it connects the two parks and literally transports you to an entirely different iconic location from the story. It exceeds expectations because of that very unique aspect of it and makes it seem all the more real.

If MF routes you through some cool SW scenery, puts you into a space port/hangar, and then feeds you into some dire situation where you need to escape in the Falcon and flyoff only to bring you back and exit you through the gift shop... that is exactly what a theme park visitor would expect from the attraction. Really cool and to many a dream come true, but still, exactly what you'd expect.

I obviously don't have the whole vision and it sounds like maybe there is more to it. Like I said, playing devil's advocate here.
 

DDLand

Well-Known Member
Wonder where Bob experienced this simulator????
Imagineering is big into these virtual reality attractions that can take you through the entire experience before it's ever built. They're getting increasingly complex and lifelike. So probably just in Glendale at Imagineering headquarters.

Due to the nature of this attraction in particular, they could probably create a fairly accurate representation. It wouldn't be on the track, but ride vehicle in front of screen is more than likely. It should be cool!
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
You are missing the boat/starship on what will be the strength of the attraction and the reason why I responded in the form of an analogy.

The Universal attraction Hogwarts Express resonates with Potter fans differently than what you are describing above. As an average theme park guest, the Express does physically transport you from one themed environment to another and that is a tangible level of immersion that anyone, fan of the fiction or not, can appreciate.

For a Potter fan, winding your way through King's Cross and turning that corner unto the platform and seeing the bright red train pumping out steam is an entirely different level of connection that a casual guest visiting for the day won't ever relate to in the same way as a fan.

For a non-fan, the Express can be appreciated by the "destination" the attraction takes you to.

For a fan, it's the entire Express process of the (Forbidden, sorry - couldn't help myself) "journey" the attraction takes you through from the moment you first see the façade and enter the line. In the fiction, the Hogwarts Express was Harry's symbolic entry into an entirely new world.

The Millennium Falcon is the OG nerd's Express. It was Luke's first step into a larger world where he crossed the threshold of his hero's journey and left his home (planet in this case) behind and entered into an uncharted path of self discovery.

The MF attraction will connect with Star Wars fans on level that will be intangibly measured in ways a non-versed person to the SW universe will never resonate with. To the uninitiated, it will simply be a virtually seamless migration from interesting queue in an alien to us environment, into the ship, and finally it taking you on an adventure.

I want to be clear though... the ride itself is still most definitely an E-ticket; but, it's one that the end of the day is just a simulator. We all can understand exactly what that means as we've all been on them before, so temper your expectations on the time you are in motion on it. Also, when I say "just a simulator" - that isn't a slight by any stretch. After many years of projection based rides with simulated motion, it's easy to discount attractions that take this route to do their magic. The Falcon attraction is going to be a REALLY good simulator. It's doing some cool stuff in the way it will be using its projection and the cockpit you will be sitting in will be incredible.

In preparing everyone for the onslaught of SWL, think of the MF as the comfort food on the menu at a first rate restaurant. Alcatraz is the chef's special you've never had. Both will be excellent and world class. Both are E-tickets. One's goal is to the best simulator in the world. The other's goal is to be the best modern theme park attraction in the world.

Another way to put this whole debate about the two sister attractions is to try to think of this a new version of a debate that likely took place in 1958. "I think the Submarine Voyage will be a better ride than the Matterhorn". It's just in this fantasy debate, we don't have TDO coming in pulling the fiscal rug out from underneath the Monorail.

Ok... now back to counting the days until next week. I know art and assets have been prepared; but, I don't know how much they will actually show off.

Great post. Can you tell us a little more about the chefs special? The one I'm definitely more excited for as I have no idea what to expect.
 

Professortango1

Well-Known Member
I totally get the analogy. These are iconic moments in cinema/pop-culture that we've grown up and never imagined we'd get to experience first hand. Certainly that's something special. But we've also been spoiled by some really amazing themed attractions throughout the years at the same time. I'm really playing devil's advocate here. I'm pumped by all of this. But I think the MF experience runs the risk of being too 'on-the-nose,' you know? If it's exactly what people want/are expecting, will it really be that special or is it playing things too safe? Comfort food is great, but you can still have comfort food and put a twist on it. Throw a fried egg on that cheeseburger!

The reason I mentioned the actual mechanics of the Hogwarts Express is because that could have just been a 1 station, 1-way experience and people would have still loved it and it would have accomplished those things to a degree -- but what really elevates that into something standout and special is the way it connects the two parks and literally transports you to an entirely different iconic location from the story. It exceeds expectations because of that very unique aspect of it and makes it seem all the more real.

If MF routes you through some cool SW scenery, puts you into a space port/hangar, and then feeds you into some dire situation where you need to escape in the Falcon and flyoff only to bring you back and exit you through the gift shop... that is exactly what a theme park visitor would expect from the attraction. Really cool and to many a dream come true, but still, exactly what you'd expect.

I obviously don't have the whole vision and it sounds like maybe there is more to it. Like I said, playing devil's advocate here.

I really only saw The Hogwarts Express as a fancy shuttle. The queue had some fun theming, but I didn't really view it as an attraction. I'm not sorry I did it, but its not really anymore exciting than a monorail ride.
 
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I really only saw The Hogwarts Express as a fancy shuttle. The queue had some fun theming, but I didn't really view it as an attraction. I'm not sorry I did it, but its not really anymore exciting than a monorail ride.

I'd never seen a POV video of the Hogwarts Express, so I just took a look and it's exactly as you described.
 

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