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TP2000

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Love bringing out this old gem whenever a Boomer starts complaining about millennials. *Cue angry Boomers typing furiously with two fingers*

While that's clever and witty, it's also viewing the past through rose colored blinders that are not at all accurate.

I know, because I was around in the mid to late 20th century. This guy is even younger than me, judging by his Disco haircut at age 25.

He didn't "buy" a house at age 22. He got a 30 year mortgage for a 3 bedroom/1.5 bath house that had no central AC, no dishwasher, a clothes line instead of a clothes dryer, and cheap polyester carpet and vinyl fake wood paneling. The house was full of products that not even a Home Depot clearance sale would sell today, and no Millennial would be caught dead owning or Instagramming.

Ignore the live baby bear, look how cheap and tacky those drapes are!
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We used margarine not because it was healthy, which it turned out it wasn't, but because it was much cheaper than butter.

We kept an old Folger's can in the kitchen to collect nails and tacks and staples not because we were "sustainable", but because those metal things could be reused and would be cheaper than buying new ones made in China from Home Depot.

We drank Tang not because the Astronauts drank it, but because it was dramatically cheaper than real orange juice. Which back then was sold in frozen tubes that you mixed up yourself, which is much cheaper than a carton of OJ today, but back then Tang was even cheaper than the frozen tube. You got to buy the frozen OJ tubes once or twice a year, often at Christmas or when family came to visit.

Ladies always wore nice dresses and two-piece casual separates out in public to Disneyland not because they were fancy rich folks, but because that's what they could afford to sew themselves from Butterick patterns. A ladies closet circa 1965 had only a couple of trendy dresses bought off the rack at a department store, which she kept for years and adjusted the hemline upward as the style changed, while the majority of her wardrobe was hand made from a 59 cent pattern and a Singer that your grandma passed down or they got as a wedding gift. Men wore slacks and buttoned shirts out in public not because they were formal, but because that's the only type of clothing they had and it took them from their workday on Tuesday to their big trip to Disneyland on Saturday. Yes, the result was a classier and more attractive audience at Disneyland, but it was all because it was much cheaper for them and that's what they could afford.

These men at Disneyland aren't wearing suits because they are fancy rich guys, but because suits are the only clothing they have to wear beyond the bedroom. The women likely made these casual separates themselves on their sewing machine. They couldn't afford to buy this stuff off the rack all the time.

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You bought a big American car on credit, and it looked great. But it didn't have air conditioning; it had venti-pane windows instead. It had an AM radio with one speaker in the dash if you paid for that upgrade, or an AM/FM radio with a second speaker behind the rear seats if you were a wealthy doctor who bought a Buick or a Lincoln. You had to pay extra to get a rear view mirror on the passenger side. Most cars were dowdy four door sedans, with vinyl bench seats that weren't comfortable. Even fancy Buicks had roll down windows instead of electric switches. It was big, but it was hot and sticky and loud. Seriously, those vinyl seats were sticky!

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mickEblu

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While that's clever and witty, it's also viewing the past through rose colored blinders that are not at all accurate.

I know, because I was around in the mid to late 20th century. This guy is even younger than me, judging by his Disco haircut at age 25.

He didn't "buy" a house at age 22. He got a 30 year mortgage for a 3 bedroom/1.5 bath house that had no central AC, no dishwasher, a clothes line instead of a clothes dryer, and cheap polyester carpet and vinyl fake wood paneling. The house was full of products that not even a Home Depot clearance sale would sell today, and no Millennial would be caught dead owning or Instagramming.

Ignore the live baby bear, look how cheap and tacky those drapes are!
29640411627_c7662d208d_b.jpg


We used margarine not because it was healthy, which it turned out it wasn't, but because it was much cheaper than butter.

We kept an old Folger's can in the kitchen to collect nails and tacks and staples not because we were "sustainable", but because those metal things could be reused and would be cheaper than buying new ones made in China from Home Depot.

We drank Tang not because the Astronauts drank it, but because it was dramatically cheaper than real orange juice. Which back then was sold in frozen tubes that you mixed up yourself, which is much cheaper than a carton of OJ today, but back then Tang was even cheaper than the frozen tube. You got to buy the frozen OJ tubes once or twice a year, often at Christmas or when family came to visit.

Ladies always wore nice dresses and two-piece casual separates out in public to Disneyland not because they were fancy rich folks, but because that's what they could afford to sew themselves from Butterick patterns. A ladies closet circa 1965 had only a couple of trendy dresses bought off the rack at a department store, which she kept for years and adjusted the hemline upward as the style changed, while the majority of her wardrobe was hand made from a 59 cent pattern and a Singer that your grandma passed down or they got as a wedding gift. Men wore slacks and buttoned shirts out in public not because they were formal, but because that's the only type of clothing they had and it took them from their workday on Tuesday to their big trip to Disneyland on Saturday. Yes, the result was a classier and more attractive audience at Disneyland, but it was all because it was much cheaper for them and that's what they could afford.

These men at Disneyland aren't wearing suits because they are fancy rich guys, but because suits are the only clothing they have to wear beyond the bedroom. The women likely made these casual separates themselves on their sewing machine. They couldn't afford to buy this stuff off the rack all the time.

Xmas61AA.jpg


You bought a big American car on credit, and it looked great. But it didn't have air conditioning; it had venti-pane windows instead. It had an AM radio with one speaker in the dash if you paid for that upgrade, or an AM/FM radio with a second speaker behind the rear seats if you were a wealthy doctor who bought a Buick or a Lincoln. You had to pay extra to get a rear view mirror on the passenger side. Most cars were dowdy four door sedans, with vinyl bench seats that weren't comfortable. Even fancy Buicks had roll down windows instead of electric switches. It was big, but it was hot and sticky and loud. Seriously, those vinyl seats were sticky!

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Wow that line about men wearing button downs and slacks to DL blew my mind. It makes so much sense yet I’ve never made that connection. I’ve always assumed people just had more pride in how they looked in public back then- which probably still had a little bit to do with it.

As far as the home analogy. That same home is now 10x the price it was back then. Here in the San Fernando Valley you have 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom homes in the middle of the valley like Van Nuys and Lake Balboa (not Encino or Studio City) going for 800k. About 10-15 years ago you could get a beautiful home way up in the hills for that much or cheaper. All while income has remained stagnant. And I’m not talking about some new modern builds. I’m talking about homes built in the 50s/60s with a nice new paint job and decent staging. We may be looking back at the past with rose colored glasses but let’s not pretend we don’t have a major housing crisis going on.

When it comes to purchasing a home, I’d take my chances at pretty much any other time in the last 100 years outside the Great Depression. I’ve had the same conversation with my dad and uncles and it seems that nobody ever likes to admit that they may have had something easier. My uncle bought one of Marlon Brando’s old homes in Studio City for 225k in 1999. Today it’s worth 1.5 million. Granted, he’s probably put about 150k into the house but you get the point. Not saying they didn’t work hard but it’s a whole different ball game now. They just quickly point to inflation to to try and shut down the argument. Which isn’t even proportional to the cost that homes have gone up. Let’s not even get into how hard it is to purchase a home in So Cal when you have to beat out 5 bidders paying all cash.
 
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TROR

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While that's clever and witty, it's also viewing the past through rose colored blinders that are not at all accurate.

I know, because I was around in the mid to late 20th century. This guy is even younger than me, judging by his Disco haircut at age 25.

He didn't "buy" a house at age 22. He got a 30 year mortgage for a 3 bedroom/1.5 bath house that had no central AC, no dishwasher, a clothes line instead of a clothes dryer, and cheap polyester carpet and vinyl fake wood paneling. The house was full of products that not even a Home Depot clearance sale would sell today, and no Millennial would be caught dead owning or Instagramming.

Ignore the live baby bear, look how cheap and tacky those drapes are!
29640411627_c7662d208d_b.jpg


We used margarine not because it was healthy, which it turned out it wasn't, but because it was much cheaper than butter.

We kept an old Folger's can in the kitchen to collect nails and tacks and staples not because we were "sustainable", but because those metal things could be reused and would be cheaper than buying new ones made in China from Home Depot.

We drank Tang not because the Astronauts drank it, but because it was dramatically cheaper than real orange juice. Which back then was sold in frozen tubes that you mixed up yourself, which is much cheaper than a carton of OJ today, but back then Tang was even cheaper than the frozen tube. You got to buy the frozen OJ tubes once or twice a year, often at Christmas or when family came to visit.

Ladies always wore nice dresses and two-piece casual separates out in public to Disneyland not because they were fancy rich folks, but because that's what they could afford to sew themselves from Butterick patterns. A ladies closet circa 1965 had only a couple of trendy dresses bought off the rack at a department store, which she kept for years and adjusted the hemline upward as the style changed, while the majority of her wardrobe was hand made from a 59 cent pattern and a Singer that your grandma passed down or they got as a wedding gift. Men wore slacks and buttoned shirts out in public not because they were formal, but because that's the only type of clothing they had and it took them from their workday on Tuesday to their big trip to Disneyland on Saturday. Yes, the result was a classier and more attractive audience at Disneyland, but it was all because it was much cheaper for them and that's what they could afford.

These men at Disneyland aren't wearing suits because they are fancy rich guys, but because suits are the only clothing they have to wear beyond the bedroom. The women likely made these casual separates themselves on their sewing machine. They couldn't afford to buy this stuff off the rack all the time.

Xmas61AA.jpg


You bought a big American car on credit, and it looked great. But it didn't have air conditioning; it had venti-pane windows instead. It had an AM radio with one speaker in the dash if you paid for that upgrade, or an AM/FM radio with a second speaker behind the rear seats if you were a wealthy doctor who bought a Buick or a Lincoln. You had to pay extra to get a rear view mirror on the passenger side. Most cars were dowdy four door sedans, with vinyl bench seats that weren't comfortable. Even fancy Buicks had roll down windows instead of electric switches. It was big, but it was hot and sticky and loud. Seriously, those vinyl seats were sticky!

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This is such a wonderful post with such great insight. Thank you!
 

TP2000

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This is such a wonderful post with such great insight. Thank you!

Things were changing quickly in the late 1960's and casual clothing became cheaper and more accepted to wear in public. But it wasn't really until the 1970's that casual separates finally took hold and became affordable enough for middle class folks to be purchasing several different outfits over a year or two.

Yes, the dress code at work was far more formal circa 1960, but that only meant that a working man had three different suits and a half dozen shirts. And on the weekend, when it was time to go out in public, he wore the same suit and shirt he wore to work earlier in the week.

I should also note that it was routine for suits to be purchased with two pairs of identical trousers into the 1970's. That was because the trousers wore out faster than the jacket, because the man was wearing them so often and so routinely. You swapped out the pair of trousers for the identical pair once or twice a week, to keep the suit wearable for longer.

The casual clothing industry really took hold in the 1960's, thanks to rising incomes that allowed the middle classes to buy frivolities like casual clothing for casual living.
 

mandelbrot

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I believe this culture still exists in the MidWest and the American South. It's the big cities that have killed this sense of community.
Oh yeah? You've been to the Midwest? And the South? What life experience do you actually have?

The "big cities" ARE the bulk of the community now. You know, integration and all that....
 

TROR

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Oh yeah? You've been to the Midwest? And the South? What life experience do you actually have?

The "big cities" ARE the bulk of the community now. You know, integration and all that....
What an unnecessarily condescending post.

I go to college in a small town in Pennsylvania, I have family in Illinois, friends in the South. I can clearly see the difference between the way neighbors act in these communities. People know each other in these places. Nobody knows each other in the big cities.
 

SSG

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Ah, the good old days. The days of double-digit inflation (what's inflation, a millennial might ask). The days of waiting in a long line (on your assigned odd or even day) for the opportunity to buy fuel for your gas-guzzling car. I've had younger folks flat out tell me I'm lying when I've brought this up. The days of the Cold War and the low level, but constant, worry that something could go wrong somewhere and bombs could start dropping.

Were there good things about growing up the 70s and 80s? Sure. But there were not so great things too. Just like every other era, I suspect.

Anyway, we're straying from hating on Galaxy's Edge :D
 
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Mac Tonight

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From where I sit, it seems like every generation tries to lay claim to having it "worse" than any previous generation while often ignoring (or just being ignorant of) the struggles of the past. But in a way, every generation is sort of right because its all about perspective. I think the problem is that current generations can only see hope and optimism for the future instead of whatever potential future problems will arise. The generation of people who grow up in the 2020's and beyond will no doubt look back at millenials and think they "had it easy" compared to them. Its a cycle that will never end until the world explodes.

Also, Star Wars.
 

TP2000

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The setup is unfortunate. It's probably cool but because you can't just walk in check it out, I haven't even seen it.

You have to make a reservation weeks in advance and then get past the Surliest Hostesses In The Galaxy who guard the door. I tried to get a peek inside and instead got a look that could kill from one of the hostesses, she locked eyes on me and pressed her earpiece even further into her skull, so I slowly backed away and made no sudden movements to keep her calm. I think they attack when they smell fear.

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How am I only the only one that wants to hear more about the bear?? I can’t focus on the history lesson until you tell me about the bear TP!

I was wondering who would notice. I just Googled that image as "middle class home 1960's", I have no idea who they are or how that bear got there. In the days before Color TV, we just took our entertainment where we could find it. Apparently they found a baby bear. :D
 

TP2000

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Thank you @brb1006 ! I was just about to mention today's earnings call.

Basically Bob admitted that attendance was weaker than expected at Disneyland, but spending rose on the higher ticket prices due to it being a Peak ticket price day seven days a week this summer.

It will be interesting to see what happens to WDW attendance next month. The reports from the DHS previews of Star Wars Land are mirroring the experience of those of us West Coasters who have been to Disneyland's.

In short, early reports are that Star Wars Land at DHS is impressive to look at when you first walk in, but feels dead and lifeless after the first 30 minutes. Reviews for the Falcon ride are also the same; a good ride, but not a great one.

DHS appears to have the same very thin amount of entertainment available as Disneyland; Chewbacca, a pair of Stormtroopers, the spunky girl in the gauzy linen outfit, and the awkward Nazis In Space! show. Nothing else of any meaning is different about the DHS version compared to Disneyland, except the climate and daily downpour in Orlando.
 

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