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News Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser coming to Walt Disney World 2021
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Texas84
Well-Known Member
How would I know?
I'm giving up on the full immersion. Don't see it happening. Fancy hotel with some video games and special effects.
GoofyDaddy
New Member
But then it's not immersive anymore. Will they allow you to come and go or is it going to be only SW:GE and the hotel?
Because, it's a "family vacation". Sure, people do different stuff at different times of day. But, they're all still on the same family vacation.
In this example, the options being presented are:
- Split the family vacation into 3 distinct and independent vacations. One for the 2 Star Wars fans, one for the two who are not (with 0 interaction for 48 consecutive hours across 3 days and 2 nights), and one combined trip before of after those independent vacations. If it's a 6 night 7 day total trip length, that's a third of the total trip done as separate vacations.
- Don't go at all to the Star Wars experience. Deprive 50% of the travelers from what they want to do.
- Everybody goes and doesn't do anything else. Forcing 50% of the travelers to do only stuff they're only partially interested in for a third of the trip.
- Do the experience with 50% of the guests doing everything and 50% of the guests doing some stuff, but not all of it and instead taking advantage of something else that's less than 10 minutes away for parts of that third of the trip, while also getting back together for some stuff every day.
Option 1 feels like crap. It's possible but an inconvenience. One that some people are willing to pay money to make go away, but that others will do. Remove the option to pay to make it go away and some will not be willing to do this at all.
Option 2 and 3 are both bad. Option 2 denies those who want it any experience at all and option 3 forces others who will not enjoy something to be stuck with it for an entire 48 hours.
Option 4 sounds expensive at first glance, if you only focus on the "per person cost and per person usage". This is where we think someone is wasting money they're not using. But, take a different frame of reference. This is someone paying extra to be able to do the experience and not be split up for the entire time.
With option 4, stop thinking of it as $2,000 * 4 people and not getting $2,000 worth of enjoyment from each of the 4 people. While that's the pricing model, that's not really the enjoyment model. Think of it as $8,000 for the family of 4 to go. We know they will not all enjoy the experience the same amount. So, let's allocate out the enjoyment as $3,500, $3,000, $1,000, and $500. One super fan who it's worth almost anything to, a large fan, one who get's limited enjoyment, and one who likes to see the pretty spaceship and is glad to still be able to spend time together. Option 4 may sound like a waste, but it doesn't mean it is a waste. In this case, the cost to not be option 1, 2, or 3 was $2,500 ($4,000 - $1,000 - $500). It may be well worth it for the first two. This exact math will be different for every group.
All making option 4 work requires is allowing people to leave the immersion and do whatever else they want while in the middle of hundreds of acres of entertainment space where money can be made from them with all those things. And, there's a bus loop right out front and a huge fleet of buses. Options 1, 2, and 3 all reduce the ability to attract people to this attraction by imposing artificial restrictions.
Joke or real question?
I read it the first time as a joke, with an implied shocked tone of disbelief. But, I stopped reading at the word "anymore", and chuckled.
From the second part, it sounds more like a real question.
In this straw grandma example, it's still totally immersive for the 3 people who stay the entire time. To them, the 2 people who left, went on some side trip of their own outside of whatever story the 3 are following. The 3 don't have to care what the 2 did at all, it's just some "other". To the 2 who left, it's totally not immersive at all while they are doing something else. But, that's the whole point, they just don't care that much and get more enjoyment out of something else while still being able to join up with the family in the middle for some stuff.
flynnibus
Premium Member
This can be boiled down really easy...
This isn't for everyone - nor does it need to be
The idea that everyone enjoys every experience is a fallacy. And again, if people ever went on a cruise... you'd see how these 'disjointed needs' are addressed by offering different types of things in the same environment.
And if someone wants to pay thousands of dollars.. and then just leave.. and pay again to do something else somewhere else. I'm sure the property will be happy to call you a Minnie Van where you can go off and give Disney even more money. But don't expect these 'I want out' paths to be front and center or embraced as a price justification.
If you goto the all you can eat seafood buffet... and ask for chicken fingers... they may be able to get them for you, but you aren't getting a discount, nor will they change the buffet's presentation just for you.
nickys
Premium Member
But then you could go to SW:GE and out into the rest of DHS. Makes no difference, other than you’d have to have park tickets to get back that way.
Spa and pool? I highly doubt that.
For a while we were all throwing around "300 rooms", but the footprint of that two-story building suggests it will be less. With the resort having space issues (pardon the pun), I don't see how they can fit in all the deluxe amenities: pool, spa, gym, several 4/5 star restaurants, upscale shopping, business center, etc...
The deluxe-ness of the resort it seems will be based on the theming and the experience. Not in traditional upscale hotel accommodations.
Again, just my guess based on the size of the building.
nickys
Premium Member
If they really don’t like it at all, then I would consider an alternative, mother and daughter go do something else for a couple of days. 2nights at POP with some shopping time at DS would be better.
But what about this scenario:
Dad - big, big Star Wars fan, has been from the beginning.
Mom - likes the Star Wars movies, seen them a couple of times. Fave character is probably Chewy.
2 boys, both like Star Wars. Play the games on their consoles.
Dad really wants to go, nothing will stop him if he can book. Boys are keen too, sounds like one giant video game. Mom thinks it sounds cool, secretly hoping Chewy might turn up, and fancies trying her hand at shooting down some of those First Order fighters.
So they go. The all have fun, even Mom although she did try out the
Is it a waste? No. Mom thought the whole thing was cool but a bit nerdy at times. Kids were in 7th heaven. Dad found plenty of like minded people to act out his inner Sith Lord with.
Would Mom pay $2000 to do it again? Probably not, but neither is it a waste of money if everyone enjoyed it.
That's the context problem. And the entire item everyone is talking about.
You are (to put words in your mouth that I know is wrong of me to do), defining "same environment" as the roughly 2 acres that the Star Wars experience takes up.
While, I'm defining the "same environment" as the over 7,000 acres of developed WDW that's available.
In the straw grandma or Incomudro's brother in law, where part of a family group WANTS and DESIRES to do the Star Wars experience. We're still down to the same 4 options. Split vacation instead of family trip for part, deny those that want it, force those that don't, or allow part of the party to do other stuff.
We're both saying essentially the same thing. There is no option 3, there's only option 4. The difference is you're (me-you-words-bad again) restricting the other things we find for that part of the family to the 2 acres occupied by the Star Wars Experience while I'm leveraging the entire 7,000+ acres of WDW to find those different offerings when needed.
If Disney really wants this to be a world apart, with no interaction for anyone in the party with the rest of the WDW complex, they going to need one hell of a marketing and customer relations departments. Or, they should have built it anywhere else that wasn't right in the middle of the greater WDW. It's like a huge tease. You can practically touch the rest of WDW and while most of your party is enjoying Star Wars, even though you don't we're going to make it difficult for you to get to the rest of WDW.
A family of 4, where only 1 person wants this is probably option 2 and they're denied the experience. The math just doesn't work if 3 out of 4 people leave to do other stuff. Then again, maybe they're loaded and that 1 person is getting $7,000 worth of enjoyment out of the experience all by themselves and it's worth it to keep the family together. To us, that sounds like a waste. To them, worth every penny.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
I agree with all of this.
People are talking about a hypothetical mom that hates Star Wars so much that she won't participate in any of the immersive stuff even to humor Dad and Kiddos. THAT lady is the one I don't think would bother going in the first place, especially if we're still assuming everything is charged on a per-person basis rather than per-room.
Let's put some numbers to this as an example. Let's make it worse and say mom doesn't like it and never leaves the bar.
The trip for the 4 of them costs $8,000. Say that Dad and the boys each get $3,000 worth of enjoyment out of it. That's an $8,000 cost for $9,000 of enjoyment. As long as mom's bar tab is under $1,000 they're still getting more enjoyment than the cost they paid.
We could be nice to mom and say she goes on a $1,000 shopping spree in Disney Springs instead of drinking herself into a coma.
Incomudro
Well-Known Member
Lets Respect
Well-Known Member
The rich people I know think nothing of dropping 20K+ on a regular Disney trip. A 5K add-on for the SW fans in the family will be nothing and they won't be doing equations in their head to see if they are getting their value out of it because Mom sat around reading and drinking instead.
Unless they put in an age limit (which I am actually in favor of now that I think about it), this resort will roughly look like every other resort. It might skew slightly older in terms of kids. But it certainly won't be kid- or Straw-Grandma-free
Unless they put in an age limit (which I am actually in favor of now that I think about it), this resort will roughly look like every other resort. It might skew slightly older in terms of kids. But it certainly won't be kid- or Straw-Grandma-free
flynnibus
Premium Member
And that is where you are wrong. The whole point of the cruise parallel is that they manage to figure out something for everyone IN THE SAME CONSTRAINED SPACE and everyone bought the same thing.
If you want to leave... ok, but you aren't getting a discount, you aren't getting bus service just for you, nor should you expect "I paid 2000 dollars the parks should be free to me!!!".
You paid for a SW Experience... if you want to pay for it, and not use it. That's on you. The SW Experience won't be a WDW Vacation package.. it's going to be... wait for it... a boutique SW experience!
If all someone can think about is stuff that is NOT around... while being dunked in greatness right there in front of them... nothing will ever satisfy that person.
Seriously... it's not that hard of a concept. If you are busy doing X... you aren't concerned with missing out on Y. Because you are being entertained with X.
This is like the people that say "oh I'd do a disney cruise, but I'd miss all the rides!" - If that's your thought process, you'll never give yourself the chance to realize how wrong you are.
Horizons '83
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
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Good lord, $20K? That is insane.
Pixieish
Well-Known Member
Ageed. A super-fancy, long trip for my family runs about $8500 on the high end including airfare.
Incomudro
Well-Known Member
Much like a cruise, where some people go all in, and engage in the poolside participation games and recreation, gorge themselves at the buffet's, and drink like fish.
Where other people try to go find a less busy nook of the ship and seek out some peace.
Some would argue that the person who doesn't engage in all the cruise offerings isn't getting their money's worth.
But they are enjoying the vacation the way they choose.
They may also be travelling with that full on group, but taking it easy.
Bocabear
Well-Known Member
Do we have any sort of news about how long the actual experience will last? There is all sorts of talk about 2 and three days, but I would imagine it would be hard to program more then 24 hours into this "happening"... I think we will find the Immersive Experience is much shorted....My thought would be check in day one, storyline begins at 3pm or so...rolls through the next day ending 11am and done. Most everyone can play along for one night...it's the multiple days that become a problem... One night experiences are much easier to create storylines for, guests still have the thrill of staying on a starship and being part of someting immersive, but it is never long enough to have time to get bored... Also higher turnover, more access to more people... And yes, if a wife and daughter absolutely don't want to do it, then they would have to stay at another hotel... Or join the Father and son a day later... You can't possibly make everything suit everybody simultaneously... It is just not feasible...