News Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser coming to Walt Disney World 2021

[flynnibus]

Stick to imagineering...because this DVC isn’t equating for you. The amount of premium depend on who from a 250,000 list of contracts used it. It would be huge for some fool paying $209 upfront now and not nearly as big if you bought Hilton Head for nothing - as my in laws did.

The Star Wars Hotel is a large, daily, one time purchase that doesn’t move forward...DVC NEVER is with the one exception of rentals.

DVC is not no matter what way you try to spin it. It absolutely does matter what people pay for bungalows for you to make your case: and not a single person other than the rentals pointed out earlier.

And those are rare...and that’s an understatement.

I honestly don’t care at this point. But don’t call me argumentative...like ever...you’re trying to be the cheeky smart guy here and it didn’t work out.

Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you. Ease off the throttle a little.

You can't even digest it.

Pl0nk!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You can't even digest it.

Pl0nk!

You’re trying to argue your way out of a bad analogy.

A two night stay for this for two may run $6,000...and it turns into a pumpkin at 48:01.

A two night stay in a bung does NOT boil down that simply....and that’s the surface truth without considering any of the dynamics we’ve batted like McEnroe vs connors.

If your point is to say “people will spend a lot on Disney things...like this and buy ins or dues to use bungalows”....then yes I agree. But you made a quip analogy that made bungalows proof of a Star Wars market and they are not the same. Nobody will pay monthly dues or get a tax bill for Star Wars...and Star Wars is done with you the minute you walk out.

If I didn’t believe you to be better...I’d almost think you originally thought people go into Saratoga and BUY a bungalow...which isn’t even close at all...

They buy 5% of unit 40X at some development...maybe they go crazy and buy 50% of it...but it doesn’t mean the same as a high cost rack hotel.

If it did...there’d be no DVC...no value in it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The DVC comparison is not appples to oranges, but I do agree that there is a “street value” for the points used. If you consider DVC points no more than a foreign currency the exchange rate is roughly $14 per point (which is roughly what you can get to rent your points out). If you choose to spend 150 points on a bungalow for one night you are giving up the option to rent those points out for $2,100 (150 X $14). What you paid for the points and even maintenance fees are irrelevant. Those 150 points are still worth $2,100. That’s why the trade in for cruises is such a bad deal. If you just rented out those DVC points and took the cash and paid for the cruise you would come out way ahead.

I get your analogy and your not reading it wrong...

But it’s still a kiwi next to a watermelon next to a honeydew...because that $2100 covers 8!!!

And yes, you add food and ancillary charges...but it’s still two entirely different demographics.... and a pretty big divide.

It’s too far of a leap. DCL is the better analogy to the PROPOSED Star Wars hotels and HYPOTHESIZED fees.

 

[GoofGoof]

I get your analogy and your not reading it wrong...

But it’s still a kiwi next to a watermelon next to a honeydew...because that $2100 covers 8!!!

And yes, you add food and ancillary charges...but it’s still two entirely different demographics.... and a pretty big divide.

It’s too far of a leap. DCL is the better analogy to the PROPOSED Star Wars hotels and HYPOTHESIZED fees.

Agreed, a cruise is a better comparison due to the all in pricing.

I think the Poly bungalows were only brought up as a one off example of the amount of money people will lay out at WDW. Quick math, hang with me for a minute. Even if the $2,100 covers 8 people that’s only 1 night in the room without food or park tickets. The way this is being described it may be around $3K to $5K for 2 nights for 4 people. So 2 nights in a bungalow with tickets and meals for 8 could cost around $7K ($4,200 for the room plus 8 two day park tickets for $1,600 plus $1,000 for meals). That equates to $3,500 for a party of 4 which is in the ballpark of prices thrown around for SW resort. The point of all that math is that this experience will likely be priced at or above even an equivalent stay at the most expensive room on property and regular park visits and meals. A 2 night Disney Cruise also runs between $2,400 and $6,000 for a family of 4 depending on the room you pick so it’s in the same ballpark as a cruise too. I just expect it to be closer to the high end due to the fact that it’s a much smaller number of rooms so a more personalized and exclusive experience.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Agreed, a cruise is a better comparison due to the all in pricing.

I think the Poly bungalows were only brought up as a one off example of the amount of money people will lay out at WDW. Quick math, hang with me for a minute. Even if the $2,100 covers 8 people that’s only 1 night in the room without food or park tickets. The way this is being described it may be around $3K to $5K for 2 nights for 4 people. So 2 nights in a bungalow with tickets and meals for 8 could cost around $7K ($4,200 for the room plus 8 two day park tickets for $1,600 plus $1,000 for meals). That equates to $3,500 for a party of 4 which is in the ballpark of prices thrown around for SW resort. The point of all that math is that this experience will likely be priced at or above even an equivalent stay at the most expensive room on property and regular park visits and meals. A 2 night Disney Cruise also runs between $2,400 and $6,000 for a family of 4 depending on the room you pick so it’s in the same ballpark as a cruise too. I just expect it to be closer to the high end due to the fact that it’s a much smaller number of rooms so a more personalized and exclusive experience.

I agree...

This is a pet peeve of mine as well...so @flynnibus is getting unfair friendly fire as well.

Those bungalows...can’t wait for the grand Florida’s and beach club ones ...were not constructed to bring in $100 million “whales” to the theme park. They were an easy way to flood a ton of new point sales into old developments and trickle them down to the other older DVCs...these are conversions timeshares - because they outpriced their rack rates. It’s happened 3 times that we know of...

It’s quite an easy game to see through. And I’m not entirely sure they care if they’re ever filled. 100 pt a night x 16 x 365??

That’s 550,000 ballpark points sold at probably $150-175 a pop plus a fifty year maintenance tag on each. Jeez...even joe rohde can’t spend $88 million on those...though I bet he’d try

DVC was started by evil mike to lock in business and get ticket and gift shop sales...

These things are not that...

Ok...Star Wars...expensive...pricing...deman...etc. etc. etc.

 

[Texas84]

Im not going to repeat myself and im tired of having to break it down to preschool level... what you paid per point means nothing to the discussion.

The bungholes still require ~3x the number of points of the kind of rooms your references bought for. Those points can be easily converted to market values (not what your cost was). Plus non of those references have poly homed comtracts at those kinds of dollars.

The bungholes at 600-1200 points a week are still a huge premium over other inventory.

 

[RobotWolf]

I was watching the video of that test droid in Tomorrowland. There was a child who (understandably) was harassing it, constantly; not letting it go or letting others try to interact with it.

It wasn't a big deal. The droid was just roaming in this instance. But what if, in the hotel, there are droids that are a part of a story. And on its way to its scripted event, a family blocks it for an extended period of time. (I can't imagine this not happening at some point.)

What would be the Disney way for an autonomous, non-vocalizing droid to gracefully get to wherever it's supposed to be in a situation like this? It wouldn't help immersion if the droids needed a handler like characters. I suppose they could call for help wirelessly. But excessive delays can break storylines. And this is one place they do not want to have "bad show."

This will obviously happen to any human cast members in the same situation. But they can act their way out of it much like characters when they have to go backstage.

 

[LieutLaww]

They will have inbuilt cattle prods for such instances

 

[larryz]

It wasn't a big deal. The droid was just roaming in this instance. But what if, in the hotel, there are droids that are a part of a story. And on its way to its scripted event, a family blocks it for an extended period of time. (I can't imagine this not happening at some point.)

It will deploy a bubble blaster and soap the offending parties.

 

[Lensman]

I was watching the video of that test droid in Tomorrowland. There was a child who (understandably) was harassing it, constantly; not letting it go or letting others try to interact with it.

It wasn't a big deal. The droid was just roaming in this instance. But what if, in the hotel, there are droids that are a part of a story. And on its way to its scripted event, a family blocks it for an extended period of time. (I can't imagine this not happening at some point.)

What would be the Disney way for an autonomous, non-vocalizing droid to gracefully get to wherever it's supposed to be in a situation like this? It wouldn't help immersion if the droids needed a handler like characters. I suppose they could call for help wirelessly. But excessive delays can break storylines. And this is one place they do not want to have "bad show."

This will obviously happen to any human cast members in the same situation. But they can act their way out of it much like characters when they have to go backstage.

This is how they will be programmed to behave:

 

[Incomudro]

The Star Wars Hotel will be expensive, yet looks space themed cold and stark

I was watching the video of that test droid in Tomorrowland. There was a child who (understandably) was harassing it, constantly; not letting it go or letting others try to interact with it.

It wasn't a big deal. The droid was just roaming in this instance. But what if, in the hotel, there are droids that are a part of a story. And on its way to its scripted event, a family blocks it for an extended period of time. (I can't imagine this not happening at some point.)

What would be the Disney way for an autonomous, non-vocalizing droid to gracefully get to wherever it's supposed to be in a situation like this? It wouldn't help immersion if the droids needed a handler like characters. I suppose they could call for help wirelessly. But excessive delays can break storylines. And this is one place they do not want to have "bad show."

This will obviously happen to any human cast members in the same situation. But they can act their way out of it much like characters when they have to go backstage.

Handlers can easily be explained as the droids owners.
I saw the video that you are talking about, and unfortunately that's only the surface of the level of abuse unescorted droids would be likely to endure.

 

[GoofGoof]

I was watching the video of that test droid in Tomorrowland. There was a child who (understandably) was harassing it, constantly; not letting it go or letting others try to interact with it.

It wasn't a big deal. The droid was just roaming in this instance. But what if, in the hotel, there are droids that are a part of a story. And on its way to its scripted event, a family blocks it for an extended period of time. (I can't imagine this not happening at some point.)

What would be the Disney way for an autonomous, non-vocalizing droid to gracefully get to wherever it's supposed to be in a situation like this? It wouldn't help immersion if the droids needed a handler like characters. I suppose they could call for help wirelessly. But excessive delays can break storylines. And this is one place they do not want to have "bad show."

This will obviously happen to any human cast members in the same situation. But they can act their way out of it much like characters when they have to go backstage.

Good question. I brought this up a while back as a reason I don’t think this will be marketed towards young kids. It can be adorable to watch a 3 year old interact with a robot but they can’t have that stopping up the “game” for others and Disney will not setup a situation where CMs have to force a guest (especially a small child) to stop a behavior they perceive to be perfectly acceptable. I don’t think there will be an age limit or anything that extreme, but they may make a no stroller rule in an attempt to discourage families with small children.

 

[RobotWolf]

In the concept art, there is a droid that is serving a beverage to a guest at a bar. And while I can't wait to see how Disney plusses this part of the experience, I'm wondering if there would be a problem having a Disney character serve alcohol.

I certainly hope we get the droid, regardless. But the biological characters are taught to do their best to not be around things like smokers, alcohol, trash cans and garments of a questionable appropriateness so as not to appear alongside them in a photo. It seems silly, probably. But there are several departments I could imagine taking exception to this.

 

[Lets Respect]

I'm betting $6,000 for a two-night stay for a room that can accommodate 4 people. There will definitely be a load of kids there.

 

[drizgirl]

I'm betting $6,000 for a two-night stay for a room that can accommodate 4 people. There will definitely be a load of kids there.

And strollers. And cell phones.

 

[larryz]

And strollers. And cell phones.

Strollers aren't canon.

 

[GoofGoof]

Strollers aren't canon.

Some are.....

 

[winstongator]

Good question. I brought this up a while back as a reason I don’t think this will be marketed towards young kids. It can be adorable to watch a 3 year old interact with a robot but they can’t have that stopping up the “game” for others and Disney will not setup a situation where CMs have to force a guest (especially a small child) to stop a behavior they perceive to be perfectly acceptable. I don’t think there will be an age limit or anything that extreme, but they may make a no stroller rule in an attempt to discourage families with small children.

It will be priced so that people don’t bring their 3 year olds. It’ll be expensive enough that only people who really want to do it are staying there. It’ll be an interesting take as you’ll likely have part of families staying there and the rest at another resort.

 

[Phil12]

Will there be a chicken-duck woman thing waiting for us in the bushes of love?

 

[GoofGoof]

It will be priced so that people don’t bring their 3 year olds. It’ll be expensive enough that only people who really want to do it are staying there. It’ll be an interesting take as you’ll likely have part of families staying there and the rest at another resort.

Agreed. I definitely don’t see this as something marketed for small children. Older kids and adults will be the target demo. It’s a big change from most of the recent WDW additions which are geared towards the whole family. I’m curious to see how many people still show up with the double wide stroller anyway.