MousDad
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Wow, 50 years or so and he hasn't aged a bit.
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Star Tours redo tidbit..
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Wow, 50 years or so and he hasn't aged a bit.
Yea the ride is really only "inspired" by song of the south. It has none of the human charecters or anything to do with the main storyline in the film which was the bulk of the movie right there.
All they really used from the movie are the 4 cartoon charecters (brer rabbit, bear, fox, frog), some of the songs, and the setting. The rest of the ride is more of a sequel to the Disneyland ride America Sings and in Disneyland it recylces 90% of the AA's from that attraction.
Slowjack
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To be clear, you should say that some people interpreted him as a racial caricature; it was always denied that he was intended as any kind of racial caricature. Personally I don't find him a racial caricature; having seen films with Stepin Fetchit, Mantan Moreland, etc., it's pretty easy to see the difference!
jt04
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Kal_el8604
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Personally, I feel that the basic storyline of Star tours is great as is, no need to change it more than some new destinations, and better effects. They could even use destinations from the New Trilogy, but place them in the timeline of the Current attraction....It might be fun to visit say, Kashyyyk for the life day celebration, or Naboo for some reason, but still be post galactic empire.
EPCOT Explorer
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Took the words out of my mouth...SM is basically what ST is to the Star Wars universe...Just a look ionto the story/world.
RandySavage
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It's almost guaranteed (knowing Lucas and ILM) that the new film will be 100% digital CGI rather than based on models (used in the original ST film). The problem with that is, the eye and brain can subtly detect the "fakeness" of CGI over actual props and thus it registers as far less convincing on a subconscious and conscious level.
Ask yourself the last time a 100% CGI monster in a film was scarier than a physical make-up, model, costume or prop, e.g., the make-up-based Thriller or London werewolves versus the digital Harry Potter werewolf. The most convincing dinosaur shots in Jurassic Park were the animatronic ones, not the CGI. The model-based space battles of the original Star Wars trilogy are far more believable and fun than the all-digital ones of the prequels. The rubber shark in Jaws is still 10 times more affecting than the expensive digital sharks in that Sam Jackson movie.
My point is, there is serious potential for a digital-effects-based 2009 Star Tours to be less convincing on a several levels than the special- effects-based 1987 Star Tours. Probably best to keep your expectations in check.
Ask yourself the last time a 100% CGI monster in a film was scarier than a physical make-up, model, costume or prop, e.g., the make-up-based Thriller or London werewolves versus the digital Harry Potter werewolf. The most convincing dinosaur shots in Jurassic Park were the animatronic ones, not the CGI. The model-based space battles of the original Star Wars trilogy are far more believable and fun than the all-digital ones of the prequels. The rubber shark in Jaws is still 10 times more affecting than the expensive digital sharks in that Sam Jackson movie.
My point is, there is serious potential for a digital-effects-based 2009 Star Tours to be less convincing on a several levels than the special- effects-based 1987 Star Tours. Probably best to keep your expectations in check.
Watch Episode 3 and The Two Towers
imagineer boy
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Well, the space battle in episode 3 was very convincing and if they can carry that quality onto the ride, then I'll be satisfied.
Well that was three years ago so technology has certainly improved since than. Say what you will about Lucas but he is always innovating, thats why the video footage in Star Tours looks better than the footage in Return of the Jedi which in turn looks better than Empire.
Same thing now the CGI work in Star Tours will look better than revenge of the sith which was a huge improvement over attack of the clones.
darthjohnny
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For the record, the newer Star Wars films still used plenty of models, background plates, and matte paintings blended seemlessly with the digital effects (see the Mustafar Battle).
Things done practically and in-camera are still cheaper and can look great too tied togetherh CGI, so depending how they want to go about doing the new film for the ride, or what the story will involve, will determine how much CGI will be used. But that isn't to say that the ride will be 100% computer effects.
Things done practically and in-camera are still cheaper and can look great too tied togetherh CGI, so depending how they want to go about doing the new film for the ride, or what the story will involve, will determine how much CGI will be used. But that isn't to say that the ride will be 100% computer effects.
Slowjack
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If we are visiting Life Day then I want to see a cameo for Bea Arthur.
jt04
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One advantage an all "Digital" production should have is the possibility of different story lines being produced for each simulator. Not sure if that is what they will do but it would be easier to make 6 different 5 minute "films" in a computer. What it will definitely mean is that they should, at the very least, be able to offer an updated adventure every couple years. Then we will be talking about Star Tours III eventually and then Star Tours IV etc etc. with a new film every 2 to 3 years (sound familiar)
1disneydood
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ILM did Davey Jones, he was pretty convincing. I noticed a vast improvement in ILM's work in Pirates 2 and 3 compared to pirates 1. They are constantly improving and inventing new techniques. Can't go cheap though. :animwink:
I was blown away when I found out that Davey Jones was an entirely CGI creation. I thought he was a guy in costume with CGI tentacles and stuff not ALL CG.
Another interesting thing I found out is that, according to Martin's documentary, when they put together the rdie film for Star Tours the length of the footage was 20 minutes! Realizing this would be too long for a theme park ride they took only the very best elements and cut it down to 3 minutes and they felt that was too short of an adventure so they brought it up alittle bit to 4 minutes.
If they have enough ideas for 20 minute long ride maybe they should make multiple ride films with different scenarios for each cabin. It would definetly be a theme park first and ensure the ride LEGENDARY status in the parks.
darthjohnny
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One advantage an all "Digital" production should have is the possibility of different story lines being produced for each simulator. Not sure if that is what they will do but it would be easier to make 6 different 5 minute "films" in a computer. What it will definitely mean is that they should, at the very least, be able to offer an updated adventure every couple years. Then we will be talking about Star Tours III eventually and then Star Tours IV etc etc. with a new film every 2 to 3 years (sound familiar)
Yes, that would be cool.
Just like Toy Story Mania, they would be able to offer updates or even different versions for a particular time of the year (maybe they could do a special version during Star Wars Weekends
).
bryPOD
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What documentary are you referring to? I am very curious to find out...
Figment571
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Does he mention what was left out in it? After they cut down the film?
Kal_el8604
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I was waiting for someone to get that reference!