SSE...The Wall Is Gone !!

Jorden

Member
I was there today and noticed the walls were gone too! And Reflections was good as always, although I noticed they took the globe out to the middle of the lagoon at like 7, and then took it back about 40 minutes before the show... ? (Oops, sorry for hijacking the thread haha)

I too noticed the globe out in the middle for actually a good chunk of the afternoon today along with testing of various effects (globe was spinning at times, and the fountains were running at times as well). Couldn't tell you why though but it was bugging me a bit.
 

WDWRLD

Active Member
Original Poster
I too noticed the globe out in the middle for actually a good chunk of the afternoon today along with testing of various effects (globe was spinning at times, and the fountains were running at times as well). Couldn't tell you why though but it was bugging me a bit.

All the ROE barges and floats were out on the lagoon at 11am today when I was there. I was wondering myself why?
 

a2grafix

Well-Known Member
wouldn't it be cool if they brought that song back in the ride? ;)


Forgive me, but this song is no longer part of the ride? When did the change happen?

Also when did the change happen to the bottom of Spaceship Earth? Where the bottom legs a different color?

I say this because the last time I visisted Epcot, let alone Walt Disney World, was August 1993. Yup -- almost 14 years next month. I'm finally going back to WDW this October, so it will be 14 years and 2 months since my last visit.
 

Enigma

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Forgive me, but this song is no longer part of the ride? When did the change happen?

Also when did the change happen to the bottom of Spaceship Earth? Where the bottom legs a different color?

I say this because the last time I visisted Epcot, let alone Walt Disney World, was August 1993. Yup -- almost 14 years next month. I'm finally going back to WDW this October, so it will be 14 years and 2 months since my last visit.

Wow...1993-1994 were like the last really good years Walt Disney World had before poor management took over. You haven't missed much since your last visit other than the whole resort going to the dogs (things have started improving recently...but at a snails pace).
 

Enigma

Account Suspended
Sorry...my aversion to "old Epcot" got the better of me. I'm ok...just no rousing choruses of "Energy, You Make the World Go Round", please. :D

I don't really understand your bias towards "old epcot".

Are you content with a park full of barebone "thrill rides", yawnfests like "innoventions", cartoon tie-ins that basically amount to you watching tv screens (Fitzgeraldland!), and abortions like "Journey into your imagination with figment" and "Mission:Space"(Eddie Sotto had such awsome plans for a space pavillion) ?

I totally agree that the parks should constantly stay fresh and move in bold new directions but for the most part the direction Epcot has been taken in since the mid 90s is a downgrade in my (and many peoples) opinion.

I think at this point Epcot Center needs to take a step backward in order to move foward. They need to restore some of the little things that made Epcot special in the first place (The amazing architecture without all the gaudy and tacky stuff thrown on, figment and dreamfinder, original music, a real attempt at educating people) and then once they restore the core essence then move foward with brand new stuff that can take the park to the next level while still coexisiting with the original theme of the park.
 

Lee

Adventurer
I don't really understand your bias towards "old epcot".

Are you content with a park full of barebone "thrill rides", yawnfests like "innoventions", cartoon tie-ins that basically amount to you watching tv screens (Fitzgeraldland!), and abortions like "Journey into your imagination with figment" and "Mission:Space"(Eddie Sotto had such awsome plans for a space pavillion) ?

I totally agree that the parks should constantly stay fresh and move in bold new directions but for the most part the direction Epcot has been taken in since the mid 90s is a downgrade in my (and many peoples) opinion.

I think at this point Epcot Center needs to take a step backward in order to move foward. They need to restore some of the little things that made Epcot special in the first place (The amazing architecture without all the gaudy and tacky stuff thrown on, figment and dreamfinder, original music, a real attempt at educating people) and then once they restore the core essence then move foward with brand new stuff that can take the park to the next level while still coexisiting with the original theme of the park.

No. My feelings for Epcot have nothing to do with approving of all the choices that have been made.

Quite simply. I have no interest in edu-tainment. Easy as that.

"Old Epcot" bored me. I never was much of a fan. Actually, I only really started spending much time over there after Test Track opened. Even now, Track, Soarin, and Space are the only rides I always do over there. Spaceship Earth sometimes, more when the refurb is over, I'm sure.

Yes, there have been mistakes. The original Space pavillion concept was better, the original Imagination was better (although I do not miss Figment and Dreamfinder at all), Horizons was good, Wonders was...ok.
However, I fully believe that Epcot should always be moving forward. No place for nostalgia. As soon as something gets dated...change it. Many of it's ideas were cutting edge in 1982...but now would be extremely sad if they were still there (Imagination?).

I would not argue with a full-speed return to the idea of Future World, (which I feel Test Track, Space, and Soarin fit nicely) just not a return to the actual themes, songs, characters, etc. Epcot is the last park in the world that should ever feel "dated".
 

Expo_Seeker40

Well-Known Member
But first let's figure out how much of EPCOT Center was dated...

first off is the architecture, it's post modern, you can't change that, and EPCOT's future was full of a blend between water,trees, and pavilions. Also the pavilions has various color schemes that are not part of the heavily tan and pinks and purples that now dot future world.

With the exception of a few pieces of architecture i.e. the very dated blue black and orange color patters at the bottom of SSE, I can't see how future world's architecture needed to change that much. They would have saved themselves alot of money.

Imagination? All the original ride needed was a technology upgrade, and new technology in the imageworks and a 3d film.

The land? How was kitchen kabaret dated? It was more fresh, more classic than the dated food rocks. Symbiosis was very dated, and was changed, but did it really need a character infestation from the lion king? Listen to the Land, wasn't too dated, and suprisingly much of it has survived when it became living with the land.

The Seas...I have to admit the blue exterior color is so much better than the tan and white color. Did the post modern mural really have to change? Or couldn't they have built a mural next to the stroller parking and where you can have your picture taken with nemo and friends. What about the hydrolators, that was pretty futuristic, as was seabase alpha...to an extent. IMO they spent more money then they had to on the seas, and ended up turning into a pixarfest.

Communicore, with a doubt needed a face lift, but even the original Innoventions (1994-1998) followed in its place with similar concepts and ideas, and even the plaza was nearly intact before the ghastly 1999 remodel.

Universe of Energy did need to be updated, but why did so much technology i.e. radok screens, and effects i.e. smells, and mirrored walls have to be sacrificed for a show that relied on them and could have allowed them to continue for use.

Wonders, became dated in a matter of years, too bad , but hopefully something fresh and new will come out of it.

Horizons, as much as I loved this ride, it relied too much on the future, and without a sponsor was too expensive to update every scene.

World of Motion, honestly all that ride needed was some new endings with the projector screens. It could have easily stayed on the second floor with a new queue, and test track on the first floor with both rides exiting into a remodeled transcenter.

World Showcase films? Need updating. China was good. Let's see what they do with Canada's.

For me, while things must change, I think it comes down to, what really needs to change, and must one really have to spend alot of money on it.

The cosmetics of future world, and its architecture were changed for odd reasons in my opinion, it took a welcome area i.e. the main entrance, and innoventions plaza, and turned it into too many different patterns, textures, and bland and "hot" color schemes.

Then you have the "winners" like project tomorrow, which once again uses the entire area of the former earth station, has nice and simple color schemes and patterns, somewhat futureistic, but still sleek, bold, and simple.

Not flashy, over-the-top!
 

Expo_Seeker40

Well-Known Member
Shouldn't they put a cement or concrete flower box arround it with a small railing and some flowers and shrubs, so 50,000 handprints don't get on it everyday. :dazzle:
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Shouldn't they put a cement or concrete flower box arround it with a small railing and some flowers and shrubs, so 50,000 handprints don't get on it everyday. :dazzle:
Just like the original kerb and railings? Note the kerb shape followed the prow of the cladding pointing towards the plaza - the new paving in the OP photo shows it clearly. Kind of a line for them to follow as they rebuild it :D
 

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Vernonpush

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Imagination? All the original ride needed was a technology upgrade, and new technology in the imageworks and a 3d film.
And now Imagination is dated with the "Honey, I shrunk/blew-up.... Institute"! :ROFLOL:
The original ride had a timeless feel to it, now it feels even more dated than before the change.:lookaroun :shrug:
 

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