SSE and IASW...travesty's

[MaxsDad]

Murkery,

The soul is ripped out and what is left is a corporate exercise in global brand marketing.

It's called dumbing down, come on in America. Come to Disneyland with your hard earned money so Disney can condescend to you.

I realize some words have different meanings here vs. over there, but the only thing I have seen "condescending" related to these discussions is the attitude of your posts. The attitude expressed toward TWDC, Imagineering, and Americans is condescending, and way over-the-top.

With regard to marketing and commercialism, or stated another way, capitalism: Heavens, one may think by the tone of your post they were going to bulldoze the "Good-Bye" scene and install credit card swipers and have CM's handing out plush toys hand over fist as you cruised by in your boat! :drevil:Your point of view would seem to indicate that Disney believes someone who has came all the way to vacation at Disney is now going to run out and buy an "Aladdin" DVD because they saw it on IASW? I have to believe that if they are vacationing at Disney, that they are likely sold on the product already. These characters need about as much marketing as Coca-Cola. Product recognition and awareness is already maxed out to this audience. I really don't see the whole marketing angle here.

If they really want to Americanize it, they would cross it with Buzz and install Laser Guns in the Boats.....

"Look Dear, Little Johnny just capped two Norwegians and took out half of Sweden."

"Way to go, Son!":sohappy:

 

[jakeman]

And the waters would actually be cooking oil so we can fry burgers on our way through the ride!

 

[MaxsDad]

And the waters would actually be cooking oil so we can fry burgers on our way through the ride!

They could sell little disposable, long handled, wire baskets filled with frozen french fries. Just get an outer seat and you have a tasty treat at the end of your ride. Its like FastPass for Counter Service! Can't decide if you should get a bite or ride a ride with your time in MK? Now you can do both!

It's a world of fat and a world of grease.
It's a world of starch and a world of meat.
There's no need for to share
Feed me now! I don't care!
It's a McDonald's Value Meal World after alllllllll!

 

[jakeman]

They could sell little disposable, long handled, wire baskets filled with frozen french fries. Just get an outer seat and you have a tasty treat at the end of your ride. Its like FastPass for Counter Service! Can't decide if you should get a bite or ride a ride with your time in MK? Now you can do both!

It's a world of fat and a world of grease.
It's a world of starch and a world of meat.
There's no need for to share
Feed me now! I don't care!
It's a McDonald's Value Meal World after alllllllll!

That's...freaking...awesome...

On a totally unrelated note, I watched a forgien (sp) kid pick gum out of the water of IaSW and eat it...

 

[EPCOT.nut]

That's...freaking...awesome...

On a totally unrelated note, I watched a forgien (sp) kid pick gum out of the water of IaSW and eat it...

Maybe he was just rinsing it off???

 

[MaxsDad]

That's...freaking...awesome...

On a totally unrelated note, I watched a forgien (sp) kid pick gum out of the water of IaSW and eat it...

Thanks, but you inspired it.

Just curious, how do he wasn't from the US?

 

[jakeman]

Maybe he was just rinsing it off???

He must have needed to let it soak then, because it was just floating there.:ROFLOL:

 

[Skippy_]

I'm sorry guys, but the vast majority of people that ride SSE will find it to be an improvement. Only Disney-crazed enthusiasts will be appalled by the changes. The ending IS funny when the faces are working, and most people will be laughing when the exit the ride rather than yawning or having to be woken up.

Ummm...that proves our point that SSE has been turned into a gimmick and just a joke. It was supposed to be a thought provoking attraction that shows you where we started and then leaves you with where we're going, but now people walk away laughing with as much in their head as they do at the end of a SpongeBob episode. Their overall reaction maybe be: "Well that was funny." But they'll not really have anything to draw them back to the attraction. Face it, touch screen don't bring people into the park, this is no iPhone so stop pretending people are just as excited about it. Kids like it but thats it. Hence the elementary script (reminds me of the Suess Trolly Train Ride) with the cartoon ending. Adults will be board but stupid people (average guest) and children will be entertained.

As for Mickey and company being in IASW...all I can say is some of you take Disney way too seriously. Do you really think kids are getting some sort of message when they ride IASW? PLEASE!! They are just looking at the dolls and listening to the song.

I got it from day one but then again I wasn't raised with todays moronic TV shows and hung around the idiot children of today (blame the parents). Small would has to be adjusted for todays fat people and now dumbed down for the intelligence level. Anyone seen the movie Idiocracy? Are we really becoming fat and stupid like Disney suggests? I hope not but my experience in theme parks proves otherwise. Half can fit on the ride and the other half cant buckle their seat belt.

Changes on the attractions to match the lower intelligence of today. Stich added to IASW makes it a ride about intergalactic Peace instead of world peace (as the name of the ride suggests).

 

[George]

Ummm...that proves our point that SSE has been turned into a gimmick and just a joke. It was supposed to be a thought provoking attraction that shows you where we started and then leaves you with where we're going, but now people walk away laughing with as much in their head as they do at the end of a SpongeBob episode. Their overall reaction maybe be: "Well that was funny." But they'll not really have anything to draw them back to the attraction. Face it, touch screen don't bring people into the park, this is no iPhone so stop pretending people are just as excited about it. Kids like it but thats it. Hence the elementary script (reminds me of the Suess Trolly Train Ride) with the cartoon ending. Adults will be board but stupid people (average guest) and children will be entertained.



I got it from day one but then again I wasn't raised with todays moronic TV shows and hung around the idiot children of today (blame the parents). Small would has to be adjusted for todays fat people and now dumbed down for the intelligence level. Anyone seen the movie Idiocracy? Are we really becoming fat and stupid like Disney suggests? I hope not but my experience in theme parks proves otherwise. Half can fit on the ride and the other half cant buckle their seat belt.

Changes on the attractions to match the lower intelligence of today. Stich added to IASW makes it a ride about intergalactic Peace instead of world peace (as the name of the ride suggests).

First off, I don't think the average guest is stupid. In fact, I'm certain that as a group, they have the same Gaussian distrubution of IQ's that any other large group of people has. Secondly, it's bored not board. Not a big deal, but you should check things closely before using words like stupid and phrases like "dumbed down."

The focus of SSE has changed, but so has the focus of EPCOT. Believe it or not I had discussions with people about EPCOT back in the 80's that are very similar to the ones we are having today. A LOT of people felt the park was boring and staid, and thus stayed away. I liked EPCOT then and I like it now. Disney is trying to walk a tightrope with regards to the park. They want to draw in the guests that have always been alienated by the presentation and keep the people who have always been fans. Personally, I think the changes to SSE are one of the best things they've ever done with respect to the aforementioned goal.

 

[djramone]

That's...freaking...awesome...

On a totally unrelated note, I watched a forgien (sp) kid pick gum out of the water of IaSW and eat it...

In DL, I've seen a guy constantly reach in and grab the pennies out of the trough, as well as another guy keep reaching in to splash water on his kids faces as well as his own...

 

[MousDad]

I got it from day one but then again I wasn't raised with todays moronic TV shows and hung around the idiot children of today (blame the parents). Small would has to be adjusted for todays fat people and now dumbed down for the intelligence level. Anyone seen the movie Idiocracy? Are we really becoming fat and stupid like Disney suggests? I hope not but my experience in theme parks proves otherwise. Half can fit on the ride and the other half cant buckle their seat belt.

Truthfully, children's television has much, much more quality, educational programming today than it did 25-30 years ago when I was a kid. Alot is produced by Disney, alot by Nickelodeon, PBSKids, and other studios.

And don't worry, there was some grumpy grownup calling you an idiot when you were a kid too. Every generation is different than the generation that precedes it. This is not a new phenomenon.

 

[George]

Truthfully, children's television has much, much more quality, educational programming today than it did 25-30 years ago when I was a kid. Alot is produced by Disney, alot by Nickelodeon, PBSKids, and other studios.

And don't worry, there was some grumpy grownup calling you an idiot when you were a kid too. Every generation is different than the generation that precedes it. This is not a new phenomenon.

Plus, I think academics are more rigorous now than when I was growing up in the 70's and 80's!

 

[jakeman]

Thanks, but you inspired it.

Just curious, how do he wasn't from the US?

Sorry I missed this question.

He was not speaking American!

Seriously, give what he was speaking (Scandinavian of some sort I want to say) and the general appearance of the family, I would put a high probability that they were from a Scandinavian (sp?) country of some sort.

I'm sure there is a small likelihood they are from the US but all outward observations pointed otherwise. Manner of dress (not bad, just that slight difference, like when you can spot the Brits, no offense :wave, language, and general mannerism pointed to the fact they were most likely not from the US.

 

[Skippy_]

Truthfully, children's television has much, much more quality, educational programming today than it did 25-30 years ago when I was a kid. Alot is produced by Disney, alot by Nickelodeon, PBSKids, and other studios.

How old do you people think I am. Certainly I'm part of this generation. Anyways, kids won't watch a show if the characters don't fart, belch, or act, for the lack of a better word, retarded. Nickelodeon can't make shows like Doug and Hey Arnold anymore, because the lack of vulgarity and bodily functions, as the children of today just wouldn't be entertained.

ASJHLJ, your right, SSE's ending is godly with that brand new technology called touch screen (best imagineering ever), the sorcerer's hat at MGM is an Imagineering masterpiece, Shrek 3 is the best animated movie of all time, Spiderman 3 is the best movie period, and scientology is the only real religion in this world. Did I miss anything?

 

[Skippy_]

Sorry for the double post and sorry if I offended anyone, especially ASJHLJ. I got way off topic and got way to carried away trying to prove the crap that average people like.

I apologize.

 

[TheKeeler7]

.......just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you...

Thats an Awesome Line. I'm going to use it today in work !!

 

[imagine_82]

goodness, this has gotten out of hand..

 

[djkidkaz]

What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you even realize what your saying? 95% of SSE is still the same. Same story and animatronics, all with the same message. So the last 5% is a touch screen and that negates the whole other 95% of the attraction and its message? You guys keep talking about how much higher your intelligence must be since they dumbed it down for the rest of us, but the only ones who look dumb, are YOU! Your arguments aren't even making sense anymore.

 

[daverube]

Thats an Awesome Line. I'm going to use it today in work !!

You can thank the ghost of Kurt Cobain.....listen to Territorial Pi**ings off of Nevermind....

 

[Edeyore]

at least the purists might appreciate the characters are Cinderella and Prince Charming (residents of Fantasyland) and not Mr. and Mrs. Incredible.

My understanding, even from the original poster, is that the characters added would be in keeping with the specific countries depicted. Such as Mulan in China, Alladin in Arabia, or Mary Poppins in the United Kingdom. I don't think adding the Incredibles would be considered.