SPOILERS: Snow White live action (March 21, 2025 release)

[mickEblu]

I thought your point was that these films are “coming out crappy” in part because they avoid love stories. So I’m not sure how my saying that the love story is actually central to Snow White strengthens that point.

As I said last night these movies are coming out crappy because priorities are wrong. Things like Disney watering down love stories that are central to their classic films is just a byproduct of that.

 

[Farerb]

Im basing this off the last 10 or so years of Disney movies movies + Zeglers comments.

To be fair all the remakes retain the romantic relationships from the originals, it's expected of them.

I didn't care for the new guy and I didn't care that they turned him into a nobody, mostly because it was obvious they did it so Snow White would end up as the only "ruler" or "leader" or whatever. I also thought he was extremely bland. I much prefer the Prince from the original film.

 

[mickEblu]

I thought your point was that these films are “coming out crappy” in part because they avoid love stories. So I’m not sure how my saying that the love story is actually central to Snow White strengthens that point.

Because people won’t even give it a chance because they don’t think they re going to like what they see based off Disneys recent movies and Zeglers comments. So it doesn’t even matter if they actually pulled it off this time.

 

[LittleBuford]

Oh yeah, I figured that's what you meant. I'm just curious if a general majority check that (like, do they check the Rotten Tomato scores to determine their expectations), or if it's just not really a factor.

And unless the previews capture things very differently from the actual movie, it's just not really different for me. The ones that I seem to enjoy are the ones that go from a different perspective (ala Wicked or Maleficent). Even retold, I'm just bored of similar stories. And I know it's been discussed elsewhere, but I just don't give the benefit of the doubt on films (especially when I am going to be shelling out a good deal of money for them nowadays). Lastly, I'm really over the remakes, so I just refuse to go to them at this point. Lilo and Stich has everyone (including my kids) SUPER excited, but I will absolutely not go see it out of principle. One ticket I'm sure makes no difference, but I'm standing by it.

Fair enough! Do you watch them when they move to Disney+?

 

[Chi84]

To be fair all the remakes retain the romantic relationships from the originals, it's expected of them.

I didn't care for the new guy and I didn't care that they turned him into a nobody, mostly because it was obvious they did it so Snow White would end up as the only "ruler" or "leader" or whatever. I also thought he was extremely bland. I much prefer the Prince from the original film.

What was it about the Prince from the original film that made him preferable?

 

[LittleBuford]

To be fair all the remakes retain the romantic relationships from the originals, it's expected of them.

I didn't care for the new guy and I didn't care that they turned him into a nobody, mostly because it was obvious they did it so Snow White would end up as the only "ruler" or "leader" or whatever. I also thought he was extremely bland. I much prefer the Prince from the original film.

I get not liking the character of Jonathan, but I’m puzzled you would consider him blander that the original prince, who receives very little screen time and whose character isn’t developed at all. (That’s not a criticism of him.)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Fair enough! Do you watch them when they move to Disney+?

So bombing is irrelevant? Ok…we can leave that to the other thread where anything but full throated support lands you in the sin bin

 

[Farerb]

What was it about the Prince from the original film that made him preferable?

I get not liking the character of Jonathan, but I’m puzzled you would consider him more bland that the original prince, who receives very little screen time and whose character isn’t developed at all. (That’s not a criticism of him.)

The Prince in the original serenades to Snow White and then they kiss through a dove in one of the most romantic scenes in Disney Animation. No male lead ever did something like that in Disney movies afterwards.

 

[Agent H]

The Prince in the original serenades to Snow White and then they kiss through a dove in one of the most romantic scenes in Disney Animation. No male lead ever did something like that in Disney movies afterwards.

What about the once upon a dream scene from sleeping beauty? I’d say that should be in the discussion.

 

[LittleBuford]

What about the scene from sleeping beauty? I’d say that should be in the discussion.

Yes, Philip is my favourite among the old-school Disney princes. Interestingly, he says nothing after the scene in which he tells his father he’s fallen in love with a peasant girl.

 

[LSLS]

Fair enough! Do you watch them when they move to Disney+?

Not the live actions (actually very rarely any movies). The only time I would have to watch a full movie would be at night, and I'd much rather watch hockey. It's the trouble with movies now, they really need to prove to be worth it for me.

 

[mickEblu]

Well on the bright side for Disney I’m already plotting on where I’m going to take the kids to see Stitch in 4DX. They love the trailers and promo. Especially the one of Stitch on the football field.

 

[Farerb]

What about the once upon a dream scene from sleeping beauty? I’d say that should be in the discussion.

Sleeping Beauty is actually my favorite from Walt's fairytales. I love how it embraces every fairytale trope with sincerity and no shame.

 

[Agent H]

Sleeping Beauty is actually my favorite from Walt's fairytales. I love how it embraces every fairytale trope with sincerity and no shame.

Pinocchio is my favorite Walt Disney animation film but maleficent is my favorite villain.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not the live actions (actually very rarely any movies). The only time I would have to watch a full movie would be at night, and I'd much rather watch hockey. It's the trouble with movies now, they really need to prove to be worth it for me.

Kinda throws that “own and run your own network and all content” idea to the curb, doesn’t it?

Especially if you go cheap on episodic tv

 

[Farerb]

Pinocchio is my favorite Walt Disney animation film but maleficent is my favorite villain.

A very good movie. Many animators, including Andreas Deja, consider this the movie with the best character animation.

I love all of Walt's animated films. Even his weakest animated film, The Sword in the Stone, has good animation and great humor.

 

[LittleBuford]

Zegler said that people shouldn't assume it's a love story just because they cast a guy in it. And he's not important and his scenes could all be cut. That's Hollywood babe.

Unlike many of you, I couldn’t give a fig what Zegler says. I generally don’t concern myself with what actors do outside of their performances.

 

[erasure fan1]

Lilo and Stich has everyone (including my kids) SUPER excited, but I will absolutely not go see it out of principle. One ticket I'm sure makes no difference, but I'm standing by it.

I'm in the same boat. I just can't. None of them have been at least as good as the original so I have no real reason not to wait for D+.

because they don’t think they re going to like what they see based off Disneys recent movies and Zeglers comments. So it doesn’t even matter if they actually pulled it off this time.

That brings up an interesting point. Zegler and the weird weird, not saved by the prince, assuming it's a love story because they cast a guy.... We've been told the love story and all that is fully there, and in fact, more fleshed out than the original. So the question is, why such a discrepancy between what she said and what we got? The appearance to me is it was changed with the reshoots. Or was it a very bad attempt at throwing people off? I don't know.

 

[LittleBuford]

That brings up an interesting point. Zegler and the weird weird, not saved by the prince, assuming it's a love story because they cast a guy.... We've been told the love story and all that is fully there, and in fact, more fleshed out than the original. So the question is, why such a discrepancy between what she said and what we got? The appearance to me is it was changed with the reshoots. Or was it a very bad attempt at throwing people off? I don't know.

She said it was weird the prince “stalked” the original Snow White. I don’t agree with that characterisation, but regardless, it obviously doesn’t apply to Jonathan.

“She’s not gonna be saved by the prince” chimes with Burnap’s fuller remarks about his character’s role:

It’s a new story in the sense that it’s no longer a princess waiting to be saved by a prince, but a princess waiting to be saved by herself and finding her voice, her strength and her courage and actually, in the end, saving everyone around her.​

It’s certainly possible they added the life-saving kiss when reworking the film, but even with that scene included, the reimagined story is broadly true to what Burnap, Gadot, and Zegler all said: Snow White is no longer a helpless damsel.

 

[LittleBuford]

Someone can't be awful for 3+ years towards fans and be redeemable.

I am a fan and don’t feel the least bit bothered by any of her comments about the original film. (Her political remarks and slighting of Gadot did, however, bother me, as I’ve made clear before.) Perhaps the fans who feel as you do shouldn’t allow themselves to be so bothered by a twenty-something’s views on a film from 1937.