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SPOILERS: Indiana Jones 5 (Jun 30, 2023)
- Thread starter MisterPenguin
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erasure fan1
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I agree, but again it works both ways. When people voice their opinions based on a trailer, there are a bunch here who will immediately shout them down if it's not all sunshine and roses. Disney has unfortunately lost the benefit of the doubt with a lot of people. You can no longer just assume a project is going to be fantastic.
Not true, there's people posting in this thread, today, who do exactly what I was talking about. Could both sides back down a bit? Sure. When someone digs in one way, the other side tends to overcompensate the other way.
jeangreyforever
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I was responding to your question about why I felt the lack of an actual Disney at the helm of a company showcased a lack of integrity. I didn't feel I could give a clear response without fully explaining why I felt that way. And much of what I said holds for Indiana Jones as well. I was looking forward to the trailer but I found it lackluster. The spoilers concern me because The Rise of Skywalker and The Secrets of Dumbledore were both movies that were leaked months in advance and all those spoilers turned out to be 99% true.
I also found it odd that Phoebe Waller-Bridge is basically the co-lead of the movie but she doesn't really even speak in the trailer. Was it because they were afraid longtime fans would be turned off? I'm not sure for now. I hope the next trailer is much better.
Movielover
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It's a shame that people mistakenly focused on Kylo's line of "let the past die" thinking that was the theme of The Last Jedi and completely ignoring that Luke and Yoda scene. We were shown all throughout the film that Kylo was emotionally comprised due to the past mistake of Luke, a mistake which both Luke and Kylo share, they thought they had to live up to the legend that came with the name Skywalker. Of course, Kylo went on to build on that mistake thanks to the mental poisoning from Snoke, whereas Luke did what his two mentors (Obi Wan and Yoda) did and isolated himself with his failure. Both not learning from their mistakes. Then after the Yoda scene Luke comes to his senses and was able to use Kylo's emotional state of anger to his advantage and distract Kylo thus saving the Resistance. God, I love The Last Jedi, so much going on with film on a character level.
1. It was the first trailer, which usually is a focus more on action and tone of the film. In most cases the second trailer that is released is more focused on story and character. This allows audiences with the first trailer to know that a new film is coming and what the tone of the movie will be, then the second trailer accouple months later to actually get more meat of the movie to decide if they want to go see it by giving a setup of the story. You can see this model of trailers used in most franchises.
2. She does actually speak in the trailer. The final scene you can hear her talk before Indy says "Godfather". Now it's nothing major but out of all the film's characters we see in the trailer:
Henry Jones Jr - Ford
Helena - Waller-Bridge
Voller - Mikkelsen
Renaldo - Banderas
Sallah - Rhys-Davies
Basil- Jones
Klaber - Holbrook
Rahim - Safi
Only Indy, Sallah, Basil, Helena, and Rahim have dialogue. Again, this relates back to statement 1 of being a first trailer, establishing the tone and action of the film. Heck, we haven't even seen Shaunette Wilson's Agent Mason or Thomas Kretschmann's Colonel Weber yet. My point is don't take a character's lack of dialogue in the first trailer as a conspiracy of cover up. I thought it was a great trailer and has me sold on the movie.
jeangreyforever
Active Member
One line at the end of the trailer technically counts as talking, I suppose, so you're right there although I still wouldn't say that counts. I've heard some people speculate on Twitter that they deliberately only had her speak right at the end so disgruntled fans wouldn't turn the trailer off until it was too late. That being said, I loved her L3 in Solo (which I know is a controversial opinion) and her work in Killing Eve so I don't really have a problem with her besides what the alleged spoilers claim. I'm more curious at this point as to why she's Indy's goddaughter as in who her parents are to him.
I was also expecting Shaunette Wilson to turn up because I know she left The Resident as a series regular to take this role.
_caleb
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What makes you think Waller-Bridge is “basically the co-lead” of this movie we have not seen?
jeangreyforever
Active Member
She's second billed. Shia LaBeouf was the co-lead of the last movie and he played the similar new generation role. I'm not sure why it's a controversial statement to say that. Every Indy movie has always had a co-lead like Marion in Raiders movie or Sean Connery in Last Crusade.
_caleb
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It’s not controversial, it’s speculative. Which it totally fine (especially in a SPOILERS thread!), I just wasn’t sure why you would expect to see more of her in the initial trailer based on the limited info that’s been available.
Movielover
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In both Crystal Skull trailers Shia only had 1 or 2 lines. It's almost as if editing down a 2 hour+ movie into a 1-minute sizzle reel means you cut stuff out...
jeangreyforever
Active Member
A lot of people were unhappy with his casting as well when it was first announced. And considering recent revelations about him, I'm inclined to agree. I was never a fan.
CaptainMickey
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John Williams was conducting in Milan Italy yesterday and he talks a little about the upcoming Indiana Jones 5 movie. He says Disney is shooting and recording a new ending for the movie in a few weeks. The Indiana Jones part is 5:00 minutes into the video. He is a very cool dude.
Wendy Pleakley
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Speculation and rumour is that Indy was going to die and they're going to change it.
Ending a series with the lead's death has been a bit of a trend, but I don't see why they would do that with Indy. Tony Stark died saving the world. Wolverine died to save the next generation of mutants. Luke Skywalker died to salvage a Resistance.
What equivalent would they have for Indy?
Ending it with him returning home to Marion would be the obvious and crowd pleasing choice.
Ending a series with the lead's death has been a bit of a trend, but I don't see why they would do that with Indy. Tony Stark died saving the world. Wolverine died to save the next generation of mutants. Luke Skywalker died to salvage a Resistance.
What equivalent would they have for Indy?
Ending it with him returning home to Marion would be the obvious and crowd pleasing choice.
And handing his whip over to Sam Wilson.
_caleb
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I think they've been looking for a way to make "Indiana Jones" a mantle and have Indy on his deathbed pass the whip and fedora on to someone else.
But I agree that would not be super satisfying for me as a fan. The most satisfying for me would be that he literally ride off into the sunset.
GimpYancIent
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Harrison Ford once stated: Quote "2019 interview with the "Today" Show. "Nobody is gonna be Indiana Jones," he said, followed by a laugh. "Don't you get it? I'm Indiana Jones. When I'm gone, he's gone. It's easy."
_caleb
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Too bad Harrison Ford doesn't own Indiana Jones.
Wendy Pleakley
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They can pass the torch if they want to without killing him off. It's not like he's going to play the role again.
I have no problem if they want to have a new character take on the hat and whip and have similar adventures. I'd prefer that over a recast as Harrison Ford is just not someone you can swap out with another actor. There's a reason he's one of the biggest stars of all time.
Not to say that Alden was bad as Solo for example, but it just wasn't the same.
_caleb
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I agree. I really wish they would have done more to develop a group of sidekicks around Indy that they could then spin off as a "ragtag gang of adventurers" that go on Indy-type adventures but all have different strengths and personalities.