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SPOILERS: Indiana Jones 5 (Jun 30, 2023)

jeangreyforever

Active Member
I must be the only person who didn't hate the fourth movie. It's maybe the one I would rewatch the least out of the four films but I never understood all the hate for it (Shia aside).

That being said, this trailer doesn't look all that great and despite the director disputing the rumors and spoilers that are lurking around on the Internet, I'm not inclined to believe him. Directors will lie to placate the fans. Maybe I'm just burned by JJ Abrams with Star Trek and The Rise of Skywalker.
 

Movielover

Well-Known Member
Just want to say that watching that trailer at D23 and now again that its online just brings a warm feeling to my heart. Indy is my favorite film series and Raiders is my all-time favorite movie and watching that trailer just takes me back to being a little kid again. Call me whatever you want, but I will be there opening night ready to experience a new adventure!
 
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_caleb

Well-Known Member
Uninformed LOL! You are definitely mistaken.

.... Especially if you think this movie isn't about time traveling.... and think it's actually going to be good.

Us realist, have to counteract your overly positive opinions. You don't own the company, quit acting like you do. You don't have to love everything Disney does. There's a reason why their stock has plummeted. Most of their recent content sucks. Except for a few gems here and there (Guardians Xmas).
Uninformed because you have not seen the film. I have not shared any positive opinions about it, other than the fact that I’m a fan of the franchise.

I’m not acting like I own the company. I’m just a fan, talking about things I’m interested in. I think everyone here sees things they like and things they don’t like in The Walt Disney Co., the films, and the parks. The balance of your posts come across as aggressively negative, surely you see that?
Yeah, I don't like the overly positive reviews for crappy shows (she-hulk, falcon and winter soldier) and movies (dr strange 2). Everyone with a working brain can see these aren't any good.
Or people like different things than you do.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
Uninformed LOL! You are definitely mistaken.

.... Especially if you think this movie isn't about time traveling.... and think it's actually going to be good.

Us realist, have to counteract your overly positive opinions. You don't own the company, quit acting like you do. You don't have to love everything Disney does. There's a reason why their stock has plummeted. Most of their recent content sucks. Except for a few gems here and there (Guardians Xmas).

Lol. If you can’t see how ridiculous your posts are, there is no hope for you.

The movie isn’t even out yet, and you come in with your negativity as always.

Where as some of us are excited based on the trailer, which somehow makes us only positive?

If the movie is crap when I see it, I will let you know, but I don’t live life in a negativity cloud.
 

Prince-1

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I don't like the overly positive reviews for crappy shows (she-hulk, falcon and winter soldier) and movies (dr strange 2). Everyone with a working brain can see these aren't any good.

I guess your brain isn’t working or you lack the ability to understand that people have different opinions on movies and tv shows and just because you do not like something doesn’t mean others should as well.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
I guess your brain isn’t working or you lack the ability to understand that people have different opinions on movies and tv shows and just because you do not like something doesn’t mean others should as well.

I am so willing to accept someone disliking something, art is subjective. Critique is important.

I am less willing to accept someone pooping on everything, all the time, without having even seen the final product.

It becomes obvious at that point they are not engaging in good faith, have one motive, and enjoy trolling.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
I am so willing to accept someone disliking something, art is subjective. Critique is important.

I am less willing to accept someone pooping on everything, all the time, without having even seen the final product.
It does work both ways as well. There's many here who immediately jump on anyone who doesn't gush about every Disney release. Even if they have seen it, and that gets old fast as well. Unfortunately that's the culture we live in now. It's either all one side or the other.
 

DKampy

Well-Known Member
It does work both ways as well. There's many here who immediately jump on anyone who doesn't gush about every Disney release. Even if they have seen it, and that gets old fast as well. Unfortunately that's the culture we live in now. It's either all one side or the other.
I disagree…I see plenty of people here who give their honest opinions after they have seen it….the issue people have is when someone is like ohhh this movie is awful…just from a trailer…you can say the trailer is awful, but you have no idea until you watch a film whether it is good or not.

The positive side never say anything about the movie…and only is positive about the trailer saying it has got them excited for the movie
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
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It had Roman soldiers in the photos, that's how I knew. So unless Indy is a vampire or some other creature that lives for a long time... he time traveled.
Maybe it's a cross-over with Night at the Museum?
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Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
It does work both ways as well. There's many here who immediately jump on anyone who doesn't gush about every Disney release. Even if they have seen it, and that gets old fast as well. Unfortunately that's the culture we live in now. It's either all one side or the other.

Sure it can go both ways. But I’d argue the constant negativity is far more draining than anyone who is constantly positive.

Especially when the negativity is not based in any sort of fact and only based on feelings, a trailer, rhetoric.
 

jeangreyforever

Active Member
Us realist, have to counteract your overly positive opinions. You don't own the company, quit acting like you do. You don't have to love everything Disney does. There's a reason why their stock has plummeted. Most of their recent content sucks. Except for a few gems here and there (Guardians Xmas).
I'm inclined to agree with you. The past few years there's been only a handful of Disney stuff I've cared for, if even that. This company is really only Disney in name only and bears no further connection to the company Walt started out with. The fact that there's no actual Disney family member like Roy Disney or Diane Disney Miller involved further indicates "Disney's" lack of integrity. There was a lot more creativity and experimentation during the Eisner/Roy Disney era before the Bobs took over with their IP obsession and agenda to promote Disney+ above all other physical merchandise and media.
 

jeangreyforever

Active Member
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It had Roman soldiers in the photos, that's how I knew. So unless Indy is a vampire or some other creature that lives for a long time... he time traveled.
The reason I'm inclined to believe time travel is the plotline is because of the fact that this movie was in development hell for years and kept getting pushed back over and over. Suddenly Endgame comes out, focusing all on time travel, and is a huge blockbuster which makes me wonder if Disney got the wrong message from that and felt that the key to the new Indy movie is to insert time travel.
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
The fact that there's no actual Disney family member like Roy Disney or Diane Disney Miller involved further indicates "Disney's" lack of integrity.
It’s been twenty years since a Disney family member has been directly involved in The Walt Disney Company. How does that indicate a lack of integrity?
 

jeangreyforever

Active Member
It’s been twenty years since a Disney family member has been directly involved in The Walt Disney Company. How does that indicate a lack of integrity?
Roy Disney has only been dead for a bit longer than a decade. His presence helped create a balance in the company during the Eisner era and I think many of the heights the company reached were precisely because of that friction.

I called it a lack of integrity because Disney's current direction has been to completely eradicate their legacy in favor of short-term profits from their collection of IPs or to appear "woke" to appeal to the Twitter mob. When Iger took over, suddenly Walt's name started to be dropped because the Disney name wasn't about the family name anymore but a brand that Iger was willing to milk for every dollar he could get. Not to mention, the character assassination Walt has received in recent years from Meryl Streep of all people who was a Harvey Weinstein enabler but likes to play a feminist hero when it suits her by impugning Walt's name, a man she didn't even know (and even that was more to kill any momentum for Saving Mr. Banks' Oscar campaign, particularly Emma Thompson in the Best Actress race).

I think the most demeaning thing the company did lately was their "celebration" for the 85th Anniversary of Snow White. The Disney Movie Club re-released the movie on Blu-ray to celebrate this anniversary with a new bonus feature. The bonus feature was all about how Frozen and Encanto are the real Disney classics whereas Snow White is an outdated and problematic film, but we shouldn't cancel it because it needed to exist in order for these "real classics" to come into fruition. And based on the quacks who tried to cancel Snow White over the ride revamp and all the controversy over the dwarfs, I wouldn't be surprised if one day Snow White goes the way of Song of the South or at least becomes as vilified as Gone with the Wind. I recommend to all its fans to pick up its merchandise now because who knows if it'll still be around for its 100th anniversary. I wish I could say I was speaking in hyperbole but it's pretty telling that when fans voted for Lego to make the Seven Dwarfs cottage into an official set, Lego approved it but needed additional permission from Disney and Disney vetoed it. Even though Disney had no problem approving of the Steamboat Willie and Winnie the Pooh sets which means it was Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs that they specifically had an issue with and all of this occurred when the drama with the live-action dwarfs was in the news.

I always think back to how when The Little Mermaid was being made, Howard Ashman specifically wanted to make a movie that could stand on the same shelf as Snow White, Pinocchio, Bambi, etc. and be regarded as a classic. The motivations now whenever Disney makes an animated movie isn't to put their new products on the same shelf as their legacy movies but to replace those legacy movies for being "old" and "outdated" which I find to be so tragic and such a disservice to Walt's memory and all the other Disney employees. And that's true, not just for the new animated movies but also the live-action remakes which seem to be greenlighted based on how Disney can "improve" or "fix" those problematic old movies of theirs. I don't think it's a coincidence that two of the live-action remakes which still have a warm reception with audiences are Cinderella and The Jungle Book, both of which never went out of their way to denigrate the original moves in their marketing campaigns but constantly talked about their love and respect for the originals. Meanwhile the Snow White remake has its lead actress proudly boasting about how Snow White is a terrible character but she's finally going to be done right and how there won't be a creeper prince who goes around committing sexual assault (never minding the fact that this actress never called out her former co-star for the sexual assaults he's actually been accused of with minors, probably because that wouldn't have helped her career like trying to tear down Snow White does).
 

Prince-1

Well-Known Member
I am so willing to accept someone disliking something, art is subjective. Critique is important.

I am less willing to accept someone pooping on everything, all the time, without having even seen the final product.

It becomes obvious at that point they are not engaging in good faith, have one motive, and enjoy trolling.

Oh most definitely. You can absolutely have a different opinion than others but when you only are a contrarian to what others are saying or you think that your opinion is the only right one then you are just trolling.
 

Magenta Panther

Well-Known Member
Roy Disney has only been dead for a bit longer than a decade. His presence helped create a balance in the company during the Eisner era and I think many of the heights the company reached were precisely because of that friction.

I called it a lack of integrity because Disney's current direction has been to completely eradicate their legacy in favor of short-term profits from their collection of IPs or to appear "woke" to appeal to the Twitter mob. When Iger took over, suddenly Walt's name started to be dropped because the Disney name wasn't about the family name anymore but a brand that Iger was willing to milk for every dollar he could get. Not to mention, the character assassination Walt has received in recent years from Meryl Streep of all people who was a Harvey Weinstein enabler but likes to play a feminist hero when it suits her by impugning Walt's name, a man she didn't even know (and even that was more to kill any momentum for Saving Mr. Banks' Oscar campaign, particularly Emma Thompson in the Best Actress race).

I think the most demeaning thing the company did lately was their "celebration" for the 85th Anniversary of Snow White. The Disney Movie Club re-released the movie on Blu-ray to celebrate this anniversary with a new bonus feature. The bonus feature was all about how Frozen and Encanto are the real Disney classics whereas Snow White is an outdated and problematic film, but we shouldn't cancel it because it needed to exist in order for these "real classics" to come into fruition. And based on the quacks who tried to cancel Snow White over the ride revamp and all the controversy over the dwarfs, I wouldn't be surprised if one day Snow White goes the way of Song of the South or at least becomes as vilified as Gone with the Wind. I recommend to all its fans to pick up its merchandise now because who knows if it'll still be around for its 100th anniversary. I wish I could say I was speaking in hyperbole but it's pretty telling that when fans voted for Lego to make the Seven Dwarfs cottage into an official set, Lego approved it but needed additional permission from Disney and Disney vetoed it. Even though Disney had no problem approving of the Steamboat Willie and Winnie the Pooh sets which means it was Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs that they specifically had an issue with and all of this occurred when the drama with the live-action dwarfs was in the news.

I always think back to how when The Little Mermaid was being made, Howard Ashman specifically wanted to make a movie that could stand on the same shelf as Snow White, Pinocchio, Bambi, etc. and be regarded as a classic. The motivations now whenever Disney makes an animated movie isn't to put their new products on the same shelf as their legacy movies but to replace those legacy movies for being "old" and "outdated" which I find to be so tragic and such a disservice to Walt's memory and all the other Disney employees. And that's true, not just for the new animated movies but also the live-action remakes which seem to be greenlighted based on how Disney can "improve" or "fix" those problematic old movies of theirs. I don't think it's a coincidence that two of the live-action remakes which still have a warm reception with audiences are Cinderella and The Jungle Book, both of which never went out of their way to denigrate the original moves in their marketing campaigns but constantly talked about their love and respect for the originals. Meanwhile the Snow White remake has its lead actress proudly boasting about how Snow White is a terrible character but she's finally going to be done right and how there won't be a creeper prince who goes around committing sexual assault (never minding the fact that this actress never called out her former co-star for the sexual assaults he's actually been accused of with minors, probably because that wouldn't have helped her career like trying to tear down Snow White does).
I'd like this post a million times if I could.

And I'd just like to point out again that EVERY slander on Walt - the anti-Semitism, the racism, the misogyny - has been thoroughly debunked by people who knew and worked with him, and by credible evidence. That's why the attempts to "clean up" and retrofit his classics are so obnoxious. I agree with jeangreyforever's comment about the live-action Jungle Book - it made no attempts to "correct" anything, but went in its own direction, and it ended up being an excellent film. By contrast, other live-action adaptations - such as the dreadful Lady and the Tramp with its non-"racist" cats - are turds. And as for the Snow White remake - I'm calling it in advance as a turd. Nuts to anyone who claims the prince sexually assaults Snow when he kisses her THUS FREEING HER FROM A DEATH CURSE. What total idiots. They deserve nothing but mockery and disdain. And I hope that flick bombs like other PC Disney films have done. Maybe then the management at Disney will get a clue. And stop hiring nitwits who have an axe to grind. Here's hoping, anyway...
 

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