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SPOILER: Secret Invasion (Marvel/Disney+ Jun 21, 2023)
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MarvelCharacterNerd
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I very clearly specified the MCU. Not Fox. Not Netflix. Obviously there's violence in adult content. And as I've already said, I prefer the Netflix shows over anything on Disney+. But in the MCU, the most dangerous weapon we've seen... is a glove. Magical weapons. Not people repeatedly shooting others point blank in the chest and head. That's not the MCU brand and I'm surprised they went with that for this show.Again . I beg to disagree.
Disney Irish
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One would argue that the spy genre within the MCU has always been more gun violent as its only Cap or Winter Solider who had "magical" powers in those movies. So this falls into that same genre.
I would agree overall the MCU up until recently has been more subdued in terms of on-screen violence. But that has been changing as its become more accepted within the wider audience that the MCU under Disney can be violent.
Also Deadpool is now part of the MCU and so are the Netflix shows, so I would say it technically all counts toward the MCU now. We'll have our first R rated MCU movie with Deadpool next year, and if you don't think that will be violent, well.....
MagicHappens1971
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While Daredevil has joined the MCU, the Netflix shows still aren't considered canon to the MCU.Also Deadpool is now part of the MCU and so are the Netflix shows, so I would say it technically all counts toward the MCU now. We'll have our first R rated MCU movie with Deadpool next year, and if you don't think that will be violent, well.....
Disney Irish
Premium Member
They have been confirmed by Charlie C'o'x and Vincent D'Onofrio as being part of the MCU. So not sure what to tell you.
But not confirmed by Feige.
Charlie and Vince have also had to backtrack some of what they said since they aren't able to definitively make the connection.
Certainly, when the Netflix series ran, there were references to the MCU, and Marvel TV liked to think they were part of the MCU. But since the Netflix series were being run by Marvel TV, which at the time was not under Feige, Feige kept a high wall between the two studios and always fell back on the excuse of the differing production schedules not allowing true one-universe cross-overs.
On D+, the Netflix shows are under the title of "The Defenders Saga" and not under MCU.
We probably won't know the final answer until Echo or Born Again. It's up to Feige to finally decide whether The Defenders Saga is MCU or a branch in the multiverse.
Disney Irish
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There have been rumors of Born Again referencing Daredevil season one, if that happens it pretty much confirms it for me even if Feige never actually states it.
Yeah, but in a parallel time-line, there can be plenty of things common to both timelines. So, references to things in The Defenders Saga doesn't necessarily mean the same time-line.
The proof will be either Feige speaking up, OR, in the D+ series, there is a reference to something that contradicts The Defenders Saga, OR, there are tons of references where everything is exactly the same.
In Hawkeye, tho, Kingpin seemed decidedly different dressed in white, no Vanessa, and running his criminal enterprise down on the street instead of some penthouse. Not to mention that he seemed powered up and not just very strong.
MarvelCharacterNerd
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Exactly. Magical hit-by-car Kingpin is NOT the Kingpin who smashed a car door repeatedly into someone's skull.
(And again, I far prefer Netflix's Kingpin to Disney+'s. My issue is not with violence within Marvel - there are stories where it works. My issue is this level of point-blank shooting people gun violence on a Disney+/MCU show. MCU = magical hit by car character shaking it off or an admittedly still awesome elevator battle with magnetized cuffs and cattle prods where no blood is shed. Netflix = skull crushing and hallway battles or prison escapes we see every brutal bloody moment of. Plenty of point blank shooting on those shows; no issue within those stories.*)
As for Deadpool joining the MCU, I'll wait and see if that's actually the case or if they keep him in his own universe/multiverse. But until then, the Fox Deadpool movies are not part of the MCU.
* I actually wonder if part of why Iron Fist failed to appeal to the audience of the rest of the related shows is because his power was too magical and didn't fit within the street-level Netflix shows in that sense.
doctornick
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I’m assuming that Deadpool 3 won’t be set up as “Deadpool was here in the MCU all along” but there will be multiverse shenanigans that will get him in contact with the mainstream MCU universe for part of the film. Thus the other Deadpool films will be “part of the MCU” in the same way that Tobey Macguire’s Spider-Man films are - they are just a variant of the character in a different universe and don’t directly affect MCU “prime” except under controlled circumstances.
The Netflix shows at this point seem implicity to be another multiverse world and not part of the main MCU.
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Screamface
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Will another Marvel series that ends up disappointing. One thing that annoys me is how the Marvel Universe is getting a less integrated feeling.
I enjoyed it.
I did call out the G'iah and Gravik similar-power battle at the end. And the sky beam!!
I did call out the G'iah and Gravik similar-power battle at the end. And the sky beam!!
Disney Irish
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MarvelCharacterNerd
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Lots of predictable stuff, but thankfully short.
I think a majority of these shows are hampered by not really mattering in the bigger universe. (WandaVision, Ms. Marvel and maybe Falcon & Winter Soldier being exceptions - IF Thunderbolts actually gets off the ground. I don't think Sam's new suit makes a difference to seeing the next Captain America movie since everyone saw him get the shield at the end of the last movie that everyone watched.)
I think a majority of these shows are hampered by not really mattering in the bigger universe. (WandaVision, Ms. Marvel and maybe Falcon & Winter Soldier being exceptions - IF Thunderbolts actually gets off the ground. I don't think Sam's new suit makes a difference to seeing the next Captain America movie since everyone saw him get the shield at the end of the last movie that everyone watched.)
Maybe I'm just a naive rube. I enjoyed this series and was surprised by the Fury/Gia swap. Thought the whole thing was a solid outing.
Disney Analyst
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Also really enjoyed. So… G’iah is super powerful hey?
Disney Irish
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I see a potential Carol/G'iah team up in the future....
doctornick
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Yep, mediocre in my opinion. A series with an interesting premise that failed to live up to its potential. And ending on a major bombshell that Skrulls are present on Earth and have infiltrated governments and such would be a huge game changer in the MCU but I’m not expecting future works to reference that much at all. It’s an odd call to have that Presidential speech at the end.
Also, what does this mean for the Asgardians who are established on Earth now?
You would have hoped that the show would have been “solved” by some elaborate plan by Fury not just a like on like superbattle and an improbable assault on the US president. Also, did they just kill like dozens of innocent Secret Service agents?
If you had paid attention you would have seen that the secret service men were tranquilised.
doctornick
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That’s why I was asking, tough to see on my phone where I was watching.