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News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - attraction discussion only

J4546

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i think the concept are looks awesome, Im looking forward to this refresh
 

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The Aracuan Bird

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In Reconstruction era south, plantations were typically broken into parcels by the owner and worked by indebted sharecroppers. That is how it worked. Who, yes, leased the land. But they also had to lease the tools, seeds, clothing, and were typically tied to the land the rest of their life due to predatory interest rates and the inability to sell their crop to anyone but the plantation owner. They were not employees, nor were they independent as the simplification of saying they leased the land would make it sound.

And yes, stories should be saved. Amazingly, there are many ways of doing it besides through a log flume ride. Here's one, buy a book of African American folktales (believe it or not they have been written down in other collections since Chandler Harris), and read them to children in your life. This will keep these stories alive, and actually the stories, not mascots of a theme park ride.
I recently purchased Julius Lester’s version of the stories. Retelling of the classic tales (some of which are in the ride) but without the negative stereotyping found in the film or the Joel Chandler Harris version. It’s been a great read so far.

But had I not done some digging, I wouldn’t have even known about it. Most people won’t. For a very long time, people are going to look at Brer Rabbit as “that racist character from the movie Disney banned”. There will be a stigma, possible for the rest of our lives, because of how Disney handled things.

What becomes of the ride isn’t the issue. It’s what comes next. How do they choose to represent these stories they took? If they choose not to, they leave it with the negative stigma.
 

dsinclair

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I recently purchased Julius Lester’s version of the stories. Retelling of the classic tales (some of which are in the ride) but without the negative stereotyping found in the film or the Joel Chandler Harris version. It’s been a great read so far.

But had I not done some digging, I wouldn’t have even known about it. Most people won’t. For a very long time, people are going to look at Brer Rabbit as “that racist character from the movie Disney banned”. There will be a stigma, possible for the rest of our lives, because of how Disney handled things.

What becomes of the ride isn’t the issue. It’s what comes next. How do they choose to represent these stories they took? If they choose not to, they leave it with the negative stigma.
Completely agree. And a theme park ride isn't the place to navigate this space and rehabilitate these stories.
 

Sharon&Susan

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Supporting the retheme is one thing, but now they’re trying to erase it from existence. Something is missing here, can you find out what?
Journey Into Your Imagination sponsored by the fine Kodak corporation?
 

jt04

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It's not going to happen. The Br'er characters will be erased by Disney, I can guarantee it.

Likely right. But it would be refreshing if they confronted the issues directly and educated more people. And it wouldn't have to just focus on the past at Disney but could examine the entire past of the entertainment industry. And where it is currently. Disney can and should lead here. As they already are in many ways.
 

SamusAranX

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Likely right. But it would be refreshing if they confronted the issues directly and educated more people. And it wouldn't have to just focus on the past at Disney but could examine the entire past of the entertainment industry. And where it is currently. Disney can and should lead here. As they already are in many ways.

That's why I don't buy the "sincerity" at all of what Disney is doing.
 

helenabear

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Likely right. But it would be refreshing if they confronted the issues directly and educated more people. And it wouldn't have to just focus on the past at Disney but could examine the entire past of the entertainment industry. And where it is currently. Disney can and should lead here. As they already are in many ways.
Not sure people really care to be educated.... granted I am not for erasure of movies like this simply so we can learn from our past, but what you suggest is an uphill battle. Maybe some day though, but I doubt anytime soon.

That's why I don't buy the "sincerity" at all of what Disney is doing.
Better than leaving it though. This is a no win situation IMO
 

jt04

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Not sure people really care to be educated.... granted I am not for erasure of movies like this simply so we can learn from our past, but what you suggest is an uphill battle. Maybe some day though, but I doubt anytime soon.


Better than leaving it though. This is a no win situation IMO

I'm more optimistic but we will see. Disney+ can open up a lot of possibilities.
 

helenabear

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I'm more optimistic but we will see. Disney+ can open up a lot of possibilities.
Given what I've seen IRL and here, I'm likely not as optimistic. I find those that already kind of understand would watch or read something like that. Those who really are the ones who should watch/read wouldn't dream of doing so. Working in DEI has showed me that repeatedly. Very rarely does it rub off on the public as a whole. Eventually it will change but not expecting it in my lifetime or even my kid's.

Disney+ does have the ability to reach more for sure though.
 

Bocabear

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i think the concept are looks awesome, Im looking forward to this refresh
The concept is highly romanticized... Doubtful they would have outdoor animatronics in that location... All the atmospherics that wouldn't actually be there go a long way to making this look good, but it is all concept... I look forward to seeing more imagery based on the actual changes...not just suggestions of what could possible happen.
 

helenabear

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I guess that's where we can agree to disagree. That discussion has been hashed out multiple times. I think adding a cultural exhibit to explain the origins of the Br'er characters, whether in the queue or as part of the attraction, would have been the best middle road.
We can agree to disagree. I think adding an exhibit won't do a darn thing, but I have little faith it would help those who would need it most. Leaving stereotyped characters and doing an exhibit is like saying "you don't matter enough for me to make a change" but that's my view after listening to others. But absolutely we can agree to disagree. I personally think it's time and also maybe it won't break down so much with a refurb. It was down every day we had available to ride it this past trip. I wasn't even bummed I didn't get on though.
 

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