Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[lebeau]

So if we can't use logic to evaluate the complaints of others, what can we use?

Why are you evaluating other people's feelings at all? Why is that a thing? Let people feel however they want to feel.

 

[bryanfze55]

Universal Orlando has better, more affordable hotels, easier touring experience, and improving theme parks. Yeah there are too many screens, but soon, compared to what other product?

A lot of people think Universal is getting worse, particularly the Studio Park that gutted most of its physical rides and replaced them with screens.

In many ways, WDW and Universal are on fairly equal footing now. But neither of them come close to Disneyland.

 

[monothingie]

Now, this is probably projecting, but I have to assume I was in the majority here. Never saw Song of the South, will never see it, don't care about it. I just took the ride on it's own merits and LOVED every second of it. I believe we should be separating source material, it's so dang slippery to do otherwise.

I guess it doesn't really matter though, Splash Mountain has been #cancelled

So when people go into the German Pavilion do people immediately think about that period from 1933-1945 and get offended or do they look at entirety of German culture and enjoy it for what has been presented?

 

[DisneyCane]

Messages of inclusion really ruffle your feathers, huh?

In general, no they don't. The messaging in this case announcing a sudden re-theme of SM does because the messaging is there to tell the people who were offended (or were told to be offended), "we hear you and we're getting rid of that racist theme."

The population is not made up of completely ignorant people. I think we can figure out that "The Princess and the Frog" is inclusive without being told so putting it in the statement was to send a message to the offended who mostly probably have not seen either movie.

 

[Bill in Atlanta]

The source material is a big part of the equation.

If we apply this logic to everything, we would not be able to function as a society.

As an example...Epcot's World Showcase has 11 countries. How many of those have a checkered past (or present)?

If I wrote a heartfelt tweet about the horrors of Chinese sweat shop labor or Germany's Holocaust would you support Disney's decision to remove the World Showcase?

Magic Kingdom... do you know the history of kings and castles?

Hall of Presidents... lifelike depictions of slave owners? Wow.

Now apply all of the above to the rest of society. Starting to see our point now?

 

[Chris767]

If only.

But that's unlikely to happen. Why reskin when a mass culling of AAs will save Disney money? Same goes for set design, etc. Why bother with new set design when you can mostly rework existing ones and using screens whenever possible. This will be value-engineered of that I have no doubt. It's smart really. Give the people what they want (HA!) and save money in the process. But it's not all bad, limitations breed creativity. So it could hypothetically be a great refresh. Only time will tell!

Does anyone here actually think it'll be anything more than a "Where's Louis?" concept with a sprinkling of mood lighting?
(I pray I'm wrong. I ask forgiveness for being myopic and pessimistic lol )

The only hope really then is that Baxter can help convince them to leave those AAs and just add projections behind them. That would be an enhancement on what is there now. Brer Bear is almost the exact same shape as Louie so I feel a reskin works there. I’d just spend money changing the lighting, exterior a bit, and add Tiana AA’s. The only area that really needs to be reskinned a little is the Laughing Place, which again makes perfect sense as Dr. Faciliers Lair. Everything else looks pretty much like swamp as it is.

 

[Speedy71]

A lot of people think Universal is getting worse, particularly the Studio Park that gutted most of its physical rides and replaced them with screens.

In many ways, WDW and Universal are on fairly equal footing now. But neither of them come close to Disneyland.

I beg to differ but I for one am hype for this. with this re-theme Disney announced this can't open soon enough

 

[WondersOfLife]

How long until Thunder Mountain becomes a Home on the Range attraction, Country Bears becomes Brother Bear, and Tom Sawyer Island becomes a bridge to a restaurant?

 

[lebeau]

Do you need an explanation on how sarcasm works? My whole point is that there is no vote, there is no deferring to the majority. Of course we dont get a vote, we're not supposed to.

All of this is just opinion, that's the joke.

 

[lebeau]

It's interesting to me that some who have shouted the loudest in agreement with this change cannot answer a simple yes / no question if they ever stood in the hot Florida sun to ride the ride on their many visits to WDW.

I answered your question but I'm not sure I understand its relevance. What point are you trying to make?

 

[The_Jobu]

How long until Thunder Mountain becomes a Home on the Range attraction, Country Bears becomes Brother Bear, and Tom Sawyer Island becomes a bridge to a restaurant?

I hope they do, then I can complain about Canadian stereotypes.

 

[MadMax11]

It's interesting to me that some who have shouted the loudest in agreement with this change cannot answer a simple yes / no question if they ever stood in the hot Florida sun to ride the ride on their many visits to WDW.

I rode it and loved it. I didn't recognize it was offending people. If it is, then I have no problem with Disney making this decision. For Disney, it's a business decision, and they made it with all the implications that come with that. They decided it was worth whatever negatives there were with replacing it. I'd prefer not to offend people, and any sense of loss I have over the ride changing is eclipsed by that.

 

[WondersOfLife]

I hope they do, then I can complain about Canadian stereotypes.

No moose included.

 

[lebeau]

If we apply this logic to everything, we would not be able to function as a society.

As an example...Epcot's World Showcase has 11 countries. How many of those have a checkered past (or present)?

If I wrote a heartfelt tweet about the horrors of Chinese sweat shop labor or Germany's Holocaust would you support Disney's decision to remove the World Showcase?

Magic Kingdom... do you know the history of kings and castles?

Hall of Presidents... lifelike depictions of slave owners? Wow.

Now apply all of the above to the rest of society. Starting to see our point now?

No.

 

[Brer Oswald]

No.

No. Because you like those things.

 

[Panchito Pistoles]

Guys, this change is not about Song of the South. Disney wants to be rid of all those pesky audio animatronics.
Those AAs live in a moisture-rich environment. They break down constantly. If they could only tear them out, paint everything black, and install a couple of projectors, they save on upkeep.

It’s the smart move.

If you don’t have a heart. Or a soul. Or anything else in your rib cage.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

Let's hope WDI is able to come up with a decent plot for the retheme. I think we'll be disappointed if the story is "find all of Tiana's friends and tell them about the Mardi Gras party".

 

[CAlvares]

That's it. I don't care who celebrates me leaving this site after 13 years, but I am done.

Get the hell out of here with this crap you racist POS.

Please don’t leave! Specially not because of this sad excuse of a poster.

 

[Disney Analyst]

You apparently didn't pay attention to my last response, so I'll say it again here. By removing ALL of the older attractions, Disney is removing things that allow parents to share pieces of their own childhood with their children in a meaningful, tangible way outside of stories and photographs. For children, a parent telling them "when I was a kid" stories are just that - they are intangible stories and difficult to imagine. Bring those stories to life in a tangible experience, and not only do adults have a connection to them, but they create a space in which they can connect with their children in ways that aren't usually possible. There is a lot to be said for something when a parent can say to their child "you know, the first time I rode this, I was only 10!" My best friend went on a 1st birthday celebration trip with her first grandchild last year - so there were THREE GENERATIONS of one family all enjoying shared elements of their childhoods together.

I appreciate your sentiment, and agree to an extent. There are many rides I want to take my niece on, or a future kid. But at the same time I do not want any of the parks to be a museum piece. I don’t want change and updates to cease for nostalgia.

I think you can find a balance. I think changing Splashes theme out of necessity, finds that balance.

 

[Bill in Atlanta]

No.

I think you see it more than you're willing to admit.

If the new standard for things being "canceled" is no longer overt racism, but rather standing next to something that some people "think" is a racist depiction from 75 years ago... I've got news for you: Everything has to be canceled.