Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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JenniferS

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Hello, I am a brand new member of this site and just finished reading all 91 pages of this thread. I joined because of this thread as I enjoy opinions on various topics and especially rumors and news. The last time I attended F&W was November 2010. We liked it so much, we are going back. I did not see any of the drunken, unruly behavior described by PPs and wonder if this has occurred since or was I just lucky.

Also, you are all really a great "crowd". Thank you for the stimulating thread.
Perhaps you did not attend during the weekend.
We went last year, on the final Saturday of F & W (we had just arrived that afternoon) and it was complete bedlam. Without my husband with us, we (3 women and a 9 year old girl) actually felt a little unsafe. The highlight of the evening, however, was watching the losers jump into the beautiful fountains. We called "uncle" and hightailed it back to our hotel.

Edited to add - Welcome. We hope you will enjoy your stay.
 

Ignohippo

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Yeah, Casey Jr. Splash and Soak Station instead of the Matterhorn is a perfectly acceptable trade-off.

Not to mention the trade-offs for Storybook Land, Mr. Toad, Alice...

Or the façade of Small World, the condition of their dark rides...

Yeah, you're right, it's very close.


I love this post. I'd marry it and make a woman out of it if I could...
 

Ignohippo

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True, but it is a mixed thing. Having just spend last week tromping around Anaheim, I had never really thought about the sheer number of carnival attractions in DCA (Bug's Land and Paradise Pier have a ton). So, WDW does have that going for it. However, DL's FL has a LOT more to do than WDW's. It is not close. Though, I am happy the Matterhorn is out in Anaheim and my son won't drag me on it too often. Very, very bumpy. The Map show was very nice. Not as nice as FoTLK or FNTM, but better than any live entertainment I've seen in MK for a while. All that being said, WDW could use a few more rides....



There's something to be said for those carny-type attractions if themed well. DHS would be a much better park with even just a few of those kinds of attractions. Gawd, you could probably have an amazing ToonTown at DHS with a few of those carny rides (and probably under 1/4 of what they're spending on the SWMT).

Every new attraction doesn't have to cost $150 million+. That line of thinking is how we go decades without new attractions.
 

Ignohippo

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Yeah, the thing is, those people never were on Disney forums. If someone is 18-30 and they want to ride coasters, then WDW was never for them. It's not like there's been some change in the past 10 years to WDW that has made the parks unappealing to that segment where it was a draw before. WDW has never been a thrill ride destination and has always had that "stigma".

I mean, WDW has always had the "too cool" issue with many teens and young adults. It's not like the Edutainment at Epcot in the 80's was packing in this crowd.

The bigger issue is that there were people in the 18-30 year old bracket who went to WDW because they enjoyed the themed environment, the classy atmosphere and perhaps even to learn a little -- but have been turned off more recently due to the parks "declining by degrees" and becoming stale in terms of offerings.

The thing that I think you're missing though is that there's a huge segment of the family that Disney is somewhat falling behind with. If Disney didn't want the "thrill-ride seekers", then there wouldn't be rides like Everest, Tower Of Terror, Space Mountain, or Rockin' Roller Coaster.

Disney (TDO especially) has just fallen behind in SO many demographics, that they've simply had to make a choice on which ones to go after first. Everest was WDW's most recent large expansion, so it only makes sense that the latest additions have been more for families (TSMM, FLE).

Now that they've addressed families, they're swinging back to the thrills (Everest, SW). I don't know what makes you think Disney doesn't want that demographic. They are in the amusement park business and thrill rides are a major part of that - just as they are a major part of WDW. There just aren't enough of them, IMHO.
 

Voice of Disney sanity

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The stuffed pretzels are good.

Don't get me wrong, I have never had a snack at Disney I didn't like. (I'm not touching a turkey leg.) But like you say, people get all worked up over tradition and lose sight of the fact that it's just theme park food. You can get the same snacks at most state fairs and they are usually just as good. And the things that are somewhat unique are unusual aren't worth the fit some people throw over them.

If a first timer ever talked to a pixie duster before they left, they would be disappointed by every thing they put in their mouth at Disney. Wait, that didn't come out right...
Some people just don't indulge in this kind of stuff until we go to disney so it's a bigger treat that those that eat it at state fairs etc.
 

ThemeParkJunkee

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A revenue producing attraction is always a good idea. Themed restaurants that are just too good to miss or a ride themed to a movie or show that is just soooo popular and creates gift shop sales just seems to be so much better than a wrist band that makes it easier to buy craptastic stuff made in China (or available at Wal-Mart or an outlet store for less) just doesn't seem to fit Staggs comments that the first test (Aug) shows that Magic Bands are hugely successful in improving revenue.

Anyone remember this quote:
"Disney’s Chief Financial Officer Jay Rasulo made an interesting comment when asked about MyMagic+: “We have known for a really long time that getting our visitors to Walt Disney World to make decisions about where they spend their time before they leave home is a powerful driver of visits per guest. When they get into the Orlando market and their time isn’t yet planned, they can be subject to everything you see down there, which is a lot of in-city marketing for all the many products that people have put there to basically bleed off the feed that we fundamentally motivate.”

Jay went on to say: “So if we can get people to plan their vacation before they leave home, we know that we get more time with them. We get a bigger share of their wallet. So that’s one thing for you guys to think about. And the second thing is what happens to purchases when they become much more convenient, and you don’t spend time queuing up for a transaction, queuing up to get in the park, and you actually have more time to enjoy the entertainment and, subsequently, spend more money doing things — other than standing in line, which, of course, you can’t spend any money while you’re doing that.”

This and the interviews Tom Staggs has done at the Digital Conference and regarding the first Magic Band tests are why I am here. I feel I am being manipulated and lied to and the Disney product is being "dumbed down" to sell me something I do not want. I have a trip planned for Orlando. It will be half Disney and half somewhere else ... including hotel. I have downgraded to a Value Hotel so I can get Disney Transport (Used to stay at Beach Club).

Odd as it may seem, this will be my last WDW trip. I adore theme parks. I convince and cajole my BF to come with me by offering incentives. This time? Richard Petty driving experience. Oh, and he likes rides, preferably over and over so, yes we are going to Universal.

Just a quick mention, the last time we stayed at the Beach Club, three hot tubs in SB, the fabulous guest only pool area had heaters that were not working. The hot tubs had the temperature of the pool. Management's answer? We have ordered new parts, they will be in Friday, here is how to get to the hot tub at the DVC area. Really? Disney does not have a maintenance department that can go to a shelf and find a freaking part for a hot tub in Storm-Along-Bay????

So, BF is fine staying at POP without hot tub access since it cost us a small fortune to "not have access to a hot tub" last time.

We did like DL/CA last August. It was a spur of the moment trip. No plan, offsite, everything. I was pretty disenchanted as we went at park opening and made bee-line for the new Radiator Springs Racers and...it was down. And...it was down all day...all day. We never experienced it. Our only day at DL/CA. We still had a good time but mostly at DL. One day Park Hoppers...staying a few miles away using my airline miles.

I am watching, I am planning, I have a reservation for Orlando in fall 2014 for a lot of stuff. Based on "stuff" I see, this will be my last WDW vacation unless I live a lot longer than the average lifespan to see it become the destination it was planned to be. However, by that time I will need an ECV and won't want to go there.
 

PhotoDave219

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You would be surprised how much of a positive effect an enforced dress code has on children's behavior. I say start with enforcing a dress code before we start shutting down dining options to families with children. I also believe that more, shall we say, eclectic menus weed out a lot of the people that shouldn't be there. Free dining or not.

I never said anything about banning children. Ive seen some fantastically well behaved small children at fancy places trying to emulate the grownups they were with.
 

TP2000

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Also, according to their websites, Walt Disney World in total has 127 attractions while Disneyland has 84.
More attractions my butt.

What I Did On My Summer Vacation, or The Night I Counted All The Disney Attractions In America, by TP2000

I was wrong Wikkler. The number of attractions floats at or above 80 on each coast, not 70. And Disneyland Resort has 9 more "rides" than WDW has, even though WDW has 12 more "attractions" than Disneyland.

Okay, here we go kids. To prepare for this I dumped all the Russian vodka I had in the house down the drain because of the horrible way the Ruskies are behaving lately, and I went down to BevMo and found a bottle of a great American vodka made in Oregon by nice people, and then I picked a ripe lime off the tree in the backyard and I made myself a nice mid-summer American Vodka Tonic. :cool:

With that very important prep work completed, I got out all my recent WDW and DLR Guidemaps and fired up the official Disney websites on Mr. Gore's Internet, and I came up with this...

Walt Disney World Resort’s four theme parks (MK, Epcot, DHS, DAK) have 89 Attractions, 48 of which are "rides".
Disneyland Resort’s two theme parks (Disneyland, DCA) have 77 Attractions, 57 of which are "rides".


Of that tally the total number of “rides” where you get in a moving vehicle and travel some measurable distance is 55 rides at the Disneyland Resort and 48 rides at Walt Disney World. (I counted Carousel of Progress as a "ride" because the theater moves, same with Ellen's Energy Adventure)

Both WDW and Disneyland Resort have 16 major E Ticket rides each, many of them cloned between each other.

The methodology behind my madness is at the end, like how I counted every World Showcase pavilion as an attraction even if it’s just a restaurant and a shop (Germany, Italy, Japan, etc.). Or why I had to count major stage shows to give WDW an edge and prevent some Floridians from having a heart attack.

For those keeping score at home, here’s the list for Disneyland Resort.

Disneyland Park has 46 Attractions, 36 of which are rides:
Main Street Vehicles, Horse Drawn Streetcar, Disneyland Railroad, Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln, Main Street Cinema, Enchanted Tiki Room, Jungle Cruise, Indiana Jones Adventure, Tarzan’s Treehouse, Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Many Adventures of Winnie The Pooh, Davy Crockett Canoes, Rafts to Pirates Lair on Tom Sawyer Island, Mark Twain Riverboat, Sailing Ship Columbia, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, Big Thunder Petting Zoo, Pinnochio’s Daring Journey, Snow White’s Scary Adventure, Castle Tour, Peter Pan’s Flight, Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride, Alice In Wonderland, Casey Jr. Circus Train, Storybookland Canal Boats, Mad Tea Party, Carousel, Dumbo, Matterhorn Bobsleds, it’s a small world, Fantasyland Theater stage show, Roger Rabbit’s Car Toon Spin, Mickey’s House and Movie Barn, Go Coaster, Goofy’s Playhouse, Autopia, Submarine Voyage, Monorail, Innoventions, Captain EO, Space Mountain, Star Tours, Buzz Lightyear, Astro Orbiter
Disney California Adventure has 31 Attractions, 21 of which are rides:
Red Car Trolley, Soarin’ Over California, Grizzly River Run, Redwood Creek Challenge Trail, The Little Mermaid, Golden Zephyr, Jumpin’ Jellyfish, Goofy’s Sky School, Silly Symphony Swings, Mickey’s Fun Wheel, Toy Story Midway Mania, Carousel, California Screamin’, Boudin Bakery Tour, Blue Sky Cellar, Mater’s Junkyard Jamboree, Luigi’s Flying Tires, Radiator Springs Racers, It’s Tough To Be A Bug, Hemlich’s Chew Chew Train, Drive ‘Em Buggies, Francis Ladybug Boogie, Flik’s Flyers, Tower of Terror, Animation Academy, Turtle Talk, Sorcerers Workshop, Disney Jr. Live On Stage, Monsters Inc., MuppetVision, Hyperion Theater Aladdin show

Here’s the list for Walt Disney World.
Magic Kingdom Park has 34 Attractions, 25 of which are rides:
Main Street Vehicles, Horse Drawn Streetcar, WDW Railroad, Meet Mickey, Enchanted Tiki Room, Jungle Cruise, Magic Carpets of Aladdin, Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse, Pirates of the Caribbean, Big Thunder Mountain, Splash Mountain, Rafts to Tom Sawyer Island, Country Bear Jamboree, Riverboat, Haunted Mansion, Hall of Presidents, Mickey’s Philharmagic, it’s a small world, Peter Pan’s Flight, Many Adventures of Winnie The Pooh, The Little Mermaid, Storytime with Belle, Carousel, Dumbo, Mad Tea Party, The Barnstormer, Speedway, PeopleMover, Space Mountain, Rocket Jets, Carousel of Progress, Buzz Lightyear, Monsters Inc., Stich’s Great Escape
Epcot has 26 Attractions, 10 of which are rides:
Spaceship Earth, The Seas with Nemo, Turtle Talk, Seabase Alpha, Living With The Land, Soarin', Circle of Life, Journey Into Your Imagination, Captain EO, Innoventions East, Innoventions West, Ellen’s Energy Adventure, Mission: Space, Test Track, Gran Fiesta Tour, China CircleVision, Maelstrom, The Spirit of Norway (film at exit of Maelstrom), Germany, American Adventure, Italy, Japan, Morocco, Impessions de France, United Kingdom, O Canada!
Disney Hollywood Studios has 16 Attractions, 6 of which are rides:
Star Tours, Tower of Terror, Rock N’ Roller Coaster, Great Movie Ride, Backlot Tram Tour, Midway Mania, MuppetVision, Voyage of the Little Mermaid, Indy Stunt Show, Lights Motors Action, American Idol, One Man’s Dream, Disney Jr. Live On Stage, Animation Academy, Beauty & The Beast Live On Stage, The Legend of Jack Sparrow
Disney’s Animal Kingdom has 13 Attractions, 7 of which are rides:
Pangani Forest Trails, It’s Tough To Be A Bug, Maharajah Trek, Expedition Everest, Kali River Rapids, Dinosaur, Primeval Whirl, Triceratops Spin, Kilimanjaro Safari, Festival of the Lion King, Finding Nemo Stage Show, Train to Conservation Station, Exhibits at Conservation Station

For the two people who are still with me, a few random notes. I didn't want to count stage shows, I really didn't, because they are "entertainment" and I feel that once you've seen one theme park stage show with talented dancers from the local Junior College dancing their perky hearts out in a furry animal costume to pre-recorded music you've seen them all. But if I left out the major stage shows then the tally for DHS and DAK would collapse into single digits and the Disneyland Resort would win both the ride tally and the attraction tally. So I let the dozen stage shows in WDW count, every last one of them in DHS and DAK, and then I included the three (3) major stage shows in Anaheim as well; Mickey & The Magical Map at the Fantasyland Theater and Alladin The Musical at DCA's Hyperion Theater and Disney Jr.

Fantasmic, water shows, parades and fireworks didn't count on either coast.

Small playgrounds and toddler fountains also didn't count.

I counted every World Showcase pavilion as at least one attraction, even if it's Italy or Germany or Japan which are really just gift shops and a restaurant. But they are pretty to look at, and they're our old enemies from World War II who are so nice about it now, so they get to be counted. :cautious:

The Main Street Vehicles in both Disneyland and Magic Kingdom count as one ride attraction, even though they are three separate rides; Omnibus, Horseless Carriage, Fire Truck. But you have to draw the line somewhere. Epcot, God bless it, got weird. The Seas and The Land count as three attractions each, while massive Energy only counts as one. I thought about having Test Track be two attractions, with the post-show General Motors showroom display counting as a second attraction, but then I remembered that horrible Chevy Malibu I rented a few months ago on a business trip and I reconsidered. Yes, the Boudin Bakery Tour at DCA counts as an attraction, so does The Legend of Jack Sparrow at DHS, so we'll just have to deal with that. At least at the bakery tour they give you free samples.

But there it is as it stands in 2013, subject to debate and deep contemplation. Interesting, don't you think? :)
 
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TP2000

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And don't forget, according to the official Meg Crofton approved Walt Disney World website, this counts as one of the 20 official "attractions" in Disney's Animal Kingdom.

Dino-Sue, the statue, Attraction #4 at Animal Kingdom!
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/attractions/animal-kingdom/dino-sue/
dino-sue-big.jpg


It's a nice statue. But I didn't count it in my list above. Sorry, Meg.
 
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Californian Elitist

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What I Did On My Summer Vacation, or The Night I Counted All The Disney Attractions In America, by TP2000

I was wrong Wikkler. The number of attractions floats around 80 on each coast, not 70. And Disneyland Resort has 9 more "rides" than WDW has, even though WDW has 8 more "attractions" than Disneyland.

Okay, here we go kids. To prepare for this I dumped all the Russian vodka I had in the house down the drain because of the horrible way the Ruskies are treating The Gays lately, and I went down to BevMo and found a bottle of a great American vodka made in Oregon by non-bigots, and then I picked a ripe lime off the tree in the backyard and I made myself a nice mid-summer American Vodka Tonic. :cool:

With that very important prep work completed, I got out all my recent WDW and DLR Guidemaps and fired up the official Disney websites on Mr. Gore's Internet, and I came up with this...

Walt Disney World Resort’s four theme parks (MK, Epcot, DHS, DAK) have 86 Attractions, 46 of which are "rides".
Disneyland Resort’s two theme parks (Disneyland, DCA) have 77 Attractions, 55 of which are "rides".


Of that tally the total number of “rides” where you get in a moving vehicle and travel some measurable distance is 55 rides at the Disneyland Resort and 46 rides at Walt Disney World. Both WDW and Disneyland Resort have 16 major E Ticket rides each, many of them cloned between each other.

The methodology behind my madness is at the end, like how I counted every World Showcase pavilion as an attraction even if it’s just a restaurant and a shop (Germany, Italy, Japan, etc.). Or why I had to count stage shows to give WDW an edge and prevent some Floridians from having a heart attack.

For those keeping score at home, here’s the list for Disneyland Resort.

Disneyland Park, 46 Attractions, 34 of which are rides:
Main Street Vehicles, Horse Drawn Streetcar, Disneyland Railroad, Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln, Main Street Cinema, Enchanted Tiki Room, Jungle Cruise, Indiana Jones Adventure, Tarzan’s Treehouse, Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Many Adventures of Winnie The Pooh, Davy Crockett Canoes, Rafts to Pirates Lair on Tom Sawyer Island, Mark Twain Riverboat, Sailing Ship Columbia, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, Big Thunder Petting Zoo, Pinnochio’s Daring Journey, Snow White’s Scary Adventure, Castle Tour, Peter Pan’s Flight, Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride, Alice In Wonderland, Casey Jr. Circus Train, Storybookland Canal Boats, Mad Tea Party, Carousel, Dumbo, Matterhorn Bobsleds, it’s a small world, Fantasyland Theater stage show, Roger Rabbit’s Car Toon Spin, Mickey’s House and Movie Barn, Go Coaster, Goofy’s Playhouse, Autopia, Submarine Voyage, Monorail, Innoventions, Captain EO, Space Mountain, Star Tours, Buzz Lightyear, Astro Orbiter
Disney California Adventure has 31 Attractions, 21 of which are rides:
Red Car Trolley, Soarin’ Over California, Grizzly River Run, Redwood Creek Challenge Trail, The Little Mermaid, Golden Zephyr, Jumpin’ Jellyfish, Goofy’s Sky School, Silly Symphony Swings, Mickey’s Fun Wheel, Toy Story Midway Mania, Carousel, California Screamin’, Boudin Bakery Tour, Blue Sky Cellar, Mater’s Junkyard Jamboree, Luigi’s Flying Tires, Radiator Springs Racers, It’s Tough To Be A Bug, Hemlich’s Chew Chew Train, Drive ‘Em Buggies, Francis Ladybug Boogie, Flik’s Flyers, Tower of Terror, Animation Academy, Turtle Talk, Sorcerers Workshop, Disney Jr. Live On Stage, Monsters Inc., MuppetVision, Hyperion Theater Aladdin show

Here’s the list for Walt Disney World.
Magic Kingdom Park has 34 Attractions, 25 of which are rides:
Main Street Vehicles, Horse Drawn Streetcar, WDW Railroad, Meet Mickey, Enchanted Tiki Room, Jungle Cruise, Magic Carpets of Aladdin, Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse, Pirates of the Caribbean, Big Thunder Mountain, Splash Mountain, Rafts to Tom Sawyer Island, Country Bear Jamboree, Riverboat, Haunted Mansion, Hall of Presidents, Mickey’s Philharmagic, it’s a small world, Peter Pan’s Flight, Many Adventures of Winnie The Pooh, The Little Mermaid, Storytime with Belle, Carousel, Dumbo, Mad Tea Party, The Barnstormer, Speedway, PeopleMover, Space Mountain, Rocket Jets, Carousel of Progress, Buzz Lightyear, Monsters Inc., Stich’s Great Escape
Epcot has 23 Attractions, 8 of which are rides:
Spaceship Earth, The Seas with Nemo, Turtle Talk, Seabase Alpha, Journey Into Your Imagination, Captain EO, Innoventions East, Innoventions West, Ellen’s Energy Adventure, Mission: Space, Test Track, Gran Fiesta Tour, China CircleVision, Maelstrom, The Spirit of Norway (film at exit of Maelstrom), Germany, American Adventure, Italy, Japan, Morocco, Impessions de France, United Kingdom, O Canada!
Disney Hollywood Studios has 16 Attractions, 6 of which are rides:
Star Tours, Tower of Terror, Rock N’ Roller Coaster, Great Movie Ride, Backlot Tram Tour, Midway Mania, MuppetVision, Voyage of the Little Mermaid, Indy Stunt Show, Lights Motors Action, American Idol, One Man’s Dream, Disney Jr. Live On Stage, Animation Academy, Beauty & The Beast Live On Stage, The Legend of Jack Sparrow
Disney’s Animal Kingdom has 13 Attractions, 7 of which are rides:
Pangani Forest Trails, It’s Tough To Be A Bug, Maharajah Trek, Expedition Everest, Kali River Rapids, Dinosaur, Primeval Whirl, Triceratops Spin, Kilimanjaro Safari, Festival of the Lion King, Finding Nemo Stage Show, Train to Conservation Station, Exhibits at Conservation Station

For the two people who are still with me, a few random notes. I didn't want to count stage shows, I really didn't, because they are "entertainment" and I feel that once you've seen one theme park stage show with talented dancers from the local Junior College dancing their perky hearts out in a furry animal costume to pre-recorded music you've seen them all. But if I left out the major stage shows then the tally for DHS and DAK would collapse into single digits and the Disneyland Resort would win both the ride tally and the attraction tally. So I let the dozen stage shows in WDW count, every last one of them in DHS and DAK, and then I included the three (3) major stage shows in Anaheim as well; Mickey & The Magical Map at the Fantasyland Theater and Alladin The Musical at DCA's Hyperion Theater and Disney Jr.

Fantasmic, water shows, parades and fireworks didn't count on either coast.

Small playgrounds and toddler fountains also didn't count.

I counted every World Showcase pavilion as at least one attraction, even if it's Italy or Germany or Japan which are really just gift shops and a restaurant. But they are pretty to look at, and they're our old enemies in World War II who are so nice about it now, so they get to be counted. :cautious:

The Main Street Vehicles in both Disneyland and Magic Kingdom count as one ride attraction, even though they are three separate rides; Omnibus, Horseless Carriage, Fire Truck. But you have to draw the line somewhere. Epcot, God bless it, got weird. The Seas and The Land count as three attractions each, while massive Energy only counts as one. I thought about having Test Track be two attractions, with the post-show General Motors showroom display counting as a second attraction, but then I remembered that horrible Chevy Malibu I rented a few months ago on a business trip and I reconsidered. Yes, the Boudin Bakery Tour at DCA counts as an attraction, so does The Legend of Jack Sparrow at DHS, so we'll just have to deal with that. At least at the bakery tour they give you free samples.

But there it is as it stands in 2013, subject to debate and deep contemplation. Interesting, don't you think? :)

What about the Beauty and the Beast and Tangled shows in Fantasy Faire?
 

Little Green Men

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Epcot has 23 Attractions, 8 of which are rides:
Spaceship Earth, The Seas with Nemo, Turtle Talk, Seabase Alpha, Journey Into Your Imagination, Captain EO, Innoventions East, Innoventions West, Ellen’s Energy Adventure, Mission: Space, Test Track, Gran Fiesta Tour, China CircleVision, Maelstrom, The Spirit of Norway (film at exit of Maelstrom), Germany, American Adventure, Italy, Japan, Morocco, Impessions de France, United Kingdom, O Canada!
Isn't it 10 rides? What about Living with the Land and Soarin'?
 

Tom Morrow

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While some "attractions" are debatable, actual, factual rides are not. And the fact that DLR actually has more rides than WDW is very telling. Even if you don't include the carnival stuff at Paradise Pier and Flik's Fun Fair, that still puts the two resorts at about equal for number of rides, and that really speaks volumes. With four parks, that number should be close to double. Even the fact that WDW only has slightly more attractions than DLR is a shame.

10+ years ago when DAK was still new, I think we were all still okay with this. The general consensus seemed to be "well, now that the four parks are built, they're now going to keep adding additions to them until they are all complete parks." But... that never happened. Barely anything has been added, and instead attractions have been just replaced or removed without a replacement.
 

Bolna

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@TP2000 - I really like it when you do these countings, I still remember you once counted the number of performers in the parades. :bookworm:

But could you be so nice and do the same for DLP and TDL. Would be such a valuable resource to have!!! :D:D:D
 

TP2000

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Isn't it 10 rides? What about Living with the Land and Soarin'?

Thank you! That's been fixed. I was so worried about getting The Seas down as three attractions as I typed, I forgot to list The Land in there too as three attractions in the Epcot sub-section. It was already included in my overall tally. And Soarin' was also included in my count of 16 E Ticket rides for WDW.
 

TP2000

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While some "attractions" are debatable, actual, factual rides are not. And the fact that DLR actually has more rides than WDW is very telling. Even if you don't include the carnival stuff at Paradise Pier and Flik's Fun Fair, that still puts the two resorts at about equal for number of rides, and that really speaks volumes. With four parks, that number should be close to double. Even the fact that WDW only has slightly more attractions than DLR is a shame.

Yeah, isn't it interesting?!

The rides tally really jumped out at me as I did this. It's astonishing, really. Disneyland has more rides than Walt Disney World. Period. And I missed two and undercounted Disneyland originally. Disneyland Park has 36 rides, and DCA has 21, for a total of 57 in Anaheim.

Throw out the seven smallest rides in DCA; the four Flik's Fun Fair kiddy rides and the three Paradise Pier rides with 2 minute spin times, and you finally get to a point where WDW and DLR are almost even at 50 and 48 respectively (even though WDW gets to keep spinners Magic Carpets and Triceratops Spin in their tally of 48).

Heimlich looks happy, but he doesn't know we just kicked him to the curb!
heimlichs-chew-chew-train_alt.jpg


Just to mention it, here's the list of E Ticket rides I counted for the two properties:

Disneyland Resort E Ticket Rides
Jungle Cruise
Indiana Jones Adventure
Pirates of the Caribbean
Haunted Mansion
Splash Mountain
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
it's a small world
Matterhorn Bobsleds
Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage
Space Mountain
Star Tours
Soarin' Over California
Grizzly River Run
Tower of Terror
California Screamin'
Radiator Springs Racers

Walt Disney World E Ticket Rides
Jungle Cruise
Pirates of the Caribbean
Haunted Mansion
Splash Mountain
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
it's a small world
Space Mountain
Star Tours
Soarin'
Test Track
Mission: Space
Kali River Rapids
Dinosaur
Expedition Everest
Kilimanjaro Safari
Tower of Terror
Rock N' Roller Coaster
 
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