stevehousse
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I like the Shanghai castle! It looks like a huge version is WDW. I also love that a boat attraction runs under the castle!
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CDavid
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Well, it's not like a boat attraction around the castle is unprecedented (at least in front of the castle) in a Disney park.
stevehousse
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There hasn't been many details of the ride yet, but its suppose to be a dark ride that runs underneath the castle, nothing like the swan boats that used to be at WDW.
Goofyernmost
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Or you could start your own. Isn't that a novel idea though. Go ahead and start one on Shanghai. I'm sure there will be just a boatload of interest in what is happening on the other side of the world.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Roughly 1995 by my watch. And it's sickening.
The good news is that I have some young family members who are raising toddlers now; they are super "hipster" and live in hip neighborhoods in Portland. They go to Disneyland once a year (ostensibly to come visit Uncle TP2000, but I know it's mainly cause I live 7 miles east of Disneyland and I have a pool), and they NEVER bring or rent strollers. The infants are held in backpack things, the toddlers and kindergartners walk all over the parks. The toddlers are occasionally carried for short periods of time by their very fit and fun young parents. When I bring up the subject of strollers and how I marvel that they are raising their children without them, they flatly respond that strollers are for people who don't know how to raise their children correctly and they would be mortified to have their hipster friends see them in public pushing their kids in a stroller.
So, at least there's hope, blossoming forth from the Great Pacific Northwest, just like Starbucks and Nordstrom did. Seasons One thru Three of Portlandia are available on Netflix now. And don't miss Season Four of Portlandia on the IFC network, premiering January, 2014 for more instruction on how to be hipster!
I try to never judge anyone else for their choices on how to raise their kids. If you have kids some day you will probably also find it infinitely tiring when the people around you all try to tell you the best way to do it. Especially when people who never had kids chime in. Everyone has a right to an opinion and this is supposed to be a message board for discussion so its fine if you want to be judgmental. It's just not my style.
The one response I do have is there is no correlation to the use of a stroller and the parents or the kids being fit. I have a few friends who run marathons and when their kids got old enough they got the jogging strollers so they could jog with the stroller. It's pretty silly to make that connection. When we went to WDW we brought a stroller for my kids. I can tell you for a fact that my kids are not obese. I spent all day yesterday chasing my 3 year old around a large park with soccer fields. The kid will run all day long. He is still 3 so he will still take a nap in the stroller if he gets tired enough. The last time we used our stroller was in WDW and the next time we will use it will be in November in WDW. I think it will probably be retired after this trip. Just because you see kids in a stroller at WDW doesn't mean the parents use it everywhere. My kids want to walk everywhere and have wanted to since before they were 2. you couldnt normally force them into a stroller with a pry bar. The parks are very large and very crowded so sometimes a child that normally doesn't use a stroller will agree to ride in one there.
unkadug
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The obesity issue is directly related to the stroller issues at WDW. You really need to pay attention.
ford91exploder
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Agree on major points, That being said when I see a overweight 7-8 year old being pushed in a stroller the stroller is definitely part of the problem
ford91exploder
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Dave, Some of these things are BIGGER than a Fiat especilly the triple wide or the double in-line ones, On Fiats still miss my FIAT 124, However in those days the name stood for "Fix it again tony"
GoofGoof
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Again, I will say that there is a very good chance that the 7 or 8 year old doesn't regularly ride in a stroller outside of WDW. If they do then yes, that lack of exercise is part of the problem. They probably also get made fun of a lot. Seeing a glimpse of someone for a minute while passing in a park while on vacation does't tell their whole life story. There is a good chance that diet, genetics or video games/TV are much larger contributors.
Goofyernmost
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I guess two questions come to mind. Even if the child in the stroller is obese, when did that become everyone else's business? Second, at what point does someone using a stroller or being obese something that directly affects other people, in other words why aren't we all just taking care that we aren't doing something wrong ourselves and not so obsessed with what we think others are doing?
Yes, I think that people that don't realize that kids have way more stamina then the adults actually and if you want proof, just ask a child that is dragging along, looking about to die from exhaustion if they would like to go to the pool. See how fast that fatigue ends. However, to make a big deal of it without prompting, won't happen. I might see, I might even judge internally, but then I continue on and I find that it doesn't mean diddly to me. I have also struggled with weight most of my life from childhood on, and I can guarantee you that being pushed around in a stroller was not the reason, nor was sitting in front of a TV all day even possible...we didn't own one. I was outside playing all day, yet, I got fat anyway...go figure! Anyone got a simple answer for that? No? Didn't think so. Sometimes we are no where near as smart as we imagine ourselves to be.
Yes, I think that people that don't realize that kids have way more stamina then the adults actually and if you want proof, just ask a child that is dragging along, looking about to die from exhaustion if they would like to go to the pool. See how fast that fatigue ends. However, to make a big deal of it without prompting, won't happen. I might see, I might even judge internally, but then I continue on and I find that it doesn't mean diddly to me. I have also struggled with weight most of my life from childhood on, and I can guarantee you that being pushed around in a stroller was not the reason, nor was sitting in front of a TV all day even possible...we didn't own one. I was outside playing all day, yet, I got fat anyway...go figure! Anyone got a simple answer for that? No? Didn't think so. Sometimes we are no where near as smart as we imagine ourselves to be.
the.dreamfinder
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ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Because its a cultural issue, When I was growing up there were perhaps 1-2 kids in school who were fat even all though high school, People walked for saturday errands we parked car and walked to all the stores.
Today we see the precious snowflakes being wheeled everwhere people moving cars in malls so they don't have to walk, Drive throughs i could go on and i'm not one of those who subsists on roots nuts and twigs. But come on people WALK already it will not kill you, And not walking just might.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Themed Bathrooms,
With all the elaborately themed bathrooms appearing at WDW, I've begun to develop a theory that they are more of a in-joke by WDI perpetrated on the clueless TWDC executives, Clearly as DisneySea shows WDI is still capable of creating awe inspiring attractions, Mysterious Island, @the.dreamfinder concept art, Radiator Springs Racers.
Since WDI probably shares the opinions of the 'doom-n-gloom' brigade in large part ie WDW is being allowed to slide into the crapper, Why not BUILD a bunch of crappers as a monument to the decline of the parks.
This is just the sort of thing that allows WDI to state their opinion and in a beautiful way the WDW and TWDC executives do not even realize they are being mocked.
Just a theory, But look at the utilitarian bathrooms from the 'Disney Decade' and DL and what's happening now since WDI is not being allowed to be creative on attractions, They are being creative in other ways.
With all the elaborately themed bathrooms appearing at WDW, I've begun to develop a theory that they are more of a in-joke by WDI perpetrated on the clueless TWDC executives, Clearly as DisneySea shows WDI is still capable of creating awe inspiring attractions, Mysterious Island, @the.dreamfinder concept art, Radiator Springs Racers.
Since WDI probably shares the opinions of the 'doom-n-gloom' brigade in large part ie WDW is being allowed to slide into the crapper, Why not BUILD a bunch of crappers as a monument to the decline of the parks.
This is just the sort of thing that allows WDI to state their opinion and in a beautiful way the WDW and TWDC executives do not even realize they are being mocked.
Just a theory, But look at the utilitarian bathrooms from the 'Disney Decade' and DL and what's happening now since WDI is not being allowed to be creative on attractions, They are being creative in other ways.
Goofyernmost
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To an extent it is currently a cultural issue. Our kids are coddled way to much. They are getting the toughness, determination and drive to achieve completely taken away from them. Even my own daughter, who was never ridden around in a stroller after the age of 5, as of two years ago, was pushing around a double wide stroller at Disney for her two kids, one was 9 and the other was 11. Both in excellent health and both active but only in organized things like hiking and biking. Yet, there they were riding there butts around Disney.The oldest had his legs hanging out the front because he was to tall for it. I asked her why, and she just said, "it's easier, I don't have to keep track of them, I always know where they are and I don't have to be saying stuff like common, keep up. OK! I'm thinking and I thought I was lazy, but seriously? The point I was trying to make really was, so what. It's not any of our business, they will pay dearly at some point in time, I would think. But perhaps not. We may eventually evolve to not needing muscles at all some day.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
This is what really bothers me is that in the US we see toughness as a bad thing and kids are special snowflakes.
Visit China and watch the Girl Guards do a demonstration these are 'tweens who demonstrate the 'Manual of Arms' with LOADED RIFLES, read that again 9-14 year old Chinese girls are practicing the manual of arms with loaded SKS Full-Auto rifles, Why are they loaded you ask, Because the PLA officers in charge want to ensure that everyone knows what happens if you make a mistake so in very real terms its YOUR skin in the game.
In the US people freak out if a little boy makes a gun with his hand or piece of toast, These people really need to wake up and find that the world is not their oyster and survival of the fittest will always be the rule
lazyboy97o
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Maybe it's more indirect, but the proliferation of strollers has required Disney to respond. They have to pay additional staff to manage strollers. As well as build large parking lots. The size of strollers also impacts crowding and walkway design.
Goofyernmost
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Don't kid yourself they make a small fortune in the stroller business. No one asked them to provide them, it was one of their own ideas. What is it now, around $38.00 a day to rent a double. That is what it used to cost for a three day park hopper. I think they do alright. They are probably all paid for after the second rental and after that pure gravy.
ALERT: In case you didn't notice, I just explained why The Disney Company is responsible for the childhood obesity problem that this country faces today.****
**** OK, not really but it takes a lot of pressure off parents now that they have someone to blame. Disney never fails to come through for us!
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Favorite thing ever: when people who do not have kids declare what they will do when they do have kids. I appreciate this more because I was absolutely the same way, then I learned about the realities of life with your own child.
donaldtoo
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Yep.
Wonder what attractions will go by the wayside to make room for the upcoming golf cart parking?
donaldtoo
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That country should just be renamed "Oxymoron".
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