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garyhoov

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Hey! Does anyone here remember the very short lived Daredevil TV show in the '70s? It was tied in to the Thor show (which I think may have had a connection to the Hulk). All of them were terrible.
 

WDWspider

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Daredevil

Daredevil

Daredevil is a super hero with an unusual gimmick: he is blind. His other senses are so acute however, that his affliction is hardly a handicap, although he initially possessed little of the special insight that popular fiction frequently attribute to the blind. In fact, as originally presented in 1964 by writer Stan Lee and artist Bill Everett, Daredevil was a relatively carefree character who lived up to his name in a job as a reckless secret existence that belied his day job as a responsible attorney. Even the death of his father, which initially inspired his crime fighting activities, seemed to leave him more or less unscathed. At one point Daredevil actually created a third identity for himself: he impersonated a nonexistent twin brother and then blithely killed him off when the ruse became inconvenient.

The man who wears Daredevil's mask has hidden depths, however. Over the years the blind lawyer Matt Murdock has sensed the world around him growing darker, and changing conditions have challenged his perception of himself. Committed to an ethical viewpoint and a respect for the law, Murdock could play the role of a vigilante only while serving a higher purpose than revenge. But when the colorfully costumed villains he one fought were replaced by brutal thugs who killed on a whim, Murdock was tempted to retaliate in kind. His beloved secretary became a drug addict, and his law partner an unwitting tool of organized crime. Torn by conflicting emotions and confused by the corruption around him, Murdock spiraled into a devastating depression, from which he emerged a humbler and warier person.

Perhaps remembering his father, an unsuccessful boxer who lost his life when he refused to throw a fight, Murdock has recently returned to his roots in the slums. The overachiever now serves the underprivileged - oblivious Daredevil is at last beginning to understand why, like him justice is blind.

Taking a Dare

"The ideas just came so easily, " Stan Lee says of this period. Casting about for another super hero with a different problem to overcome, Lee hit the ultimate drawback for a crime-fighter: "I'll make him blind. A blind lawyer." Drawing upon the idea that the blind are compensated by a heightening of their other senses, Lee invented an accident involving radioactive material that left attorney Matt Murdock sightless, but so sensitive in other ways that he could hear heartbeats and read newspapers with his fingertips. This was the only break the character got; his strength and speed were actually no more than those of a trained athlete.
 

WDWspider

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Gary I think it will fly under the media blitz alot and lay low. It will make profit, but nothing more and I don't think it will tarnish the biz. X-men 2, Hulk, and Amazing Spider-man will quickly change that.

I do not remember a Daredevil show. I remember the very bad Hanna Barbera Fantastic Four though. :lol:
 

garyhoov

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Originally posted by spider-man
Gary I think it will fly under the media blitz alot and lay low. It will make profit, but nothing more and I don't think it will tarnish the biz. X-men 2, Hulk, and Amazing Spider-man will quickly change that.

I do not remember a Daredevil show. I remember the very bad Hanna Barbera Fantastic Four though. :lol:

I hope you're right. As for the shows, I'm talking live action, not cartoon. You may be too young, but there was a live action Spider-Man, Incredible HulK, Thor, Daredevil and Captain America. As bad as the Hulk was, it was unquestionably the best of the lot. Spiderman spent all his time chasing bank robbers etc. there were no supervillains and very bad special effects.

I think Thor showed up in a special Hulk after the series had been canceled, and then he had his own small show. I think Daredevil apeared on that and then had one two hour episode or something.
 

WDWFREAK53

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Originally posted by garyhoov
I hope you're right. As for the shows, I'm talking live action, not cartoon. You may be too young, but there was a live action Spider-Man, Incredible HulK, Thor, Daredevil and Captain America. As bad as the Hulk was, it was unquestionably the best of the lot. Spiderman spent all his time chasing bank robbers etc. there were no supervillains and very bad special effects.

I think Thor showed up in a special Hulk after the series had been canceled, and then he had his own small show. I think Daredevil apeared on that and then had one two hour episode or something.

How come the Hulk never talked in the TV show??? But he does in the comic?

And...his name was David Banner in the show...but Bruce Banner in the comic...why? copyrights or something?
 

JuniorTOT

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Originally posted by WDWFREAK53
How come the Hulk never talked in the TV show??? But he does in the comic?

And...his name was David Banner in the show...but Bruce Banner in the comic...why? copyrights or something?

Dunno, whats his name on the Hulk at IOA? I think its Bruce on there right? Thats directly from Marvel, so I'm guessing thats why they used Bruce.
 

garyhoov

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Originally posted by WDWFREAK53
How come the Hulk never talked in the TV show??? But he does in the comic?

And...his name was David Banner in the show...but Bruce Banner in the comic...why? copyrights or something?

I remember hearing somewhere (can't say if it's true) that the executives thought "Bruce" was too girlie ( and since Bill Bixby was such a He-Man it wouldn't seem right to give him a girlie name ).

As for the talking, I think that's just one of many things that got changed to make the whole concept work as a weekly TV show. You kids don't know what it's like to deal with such horrible treatments. I think I have a special appreciation for the new films after seeing some of those terrible shows ( I've also got a copy of the Roger Coorman "Fantastic Four" and it actually looks good compared to some of those '70s fiascos.
 

WDWspider

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Hulk has gone through many many manifestations through the years. He first stated off Grey. The Green Mean Savage Hulk was early on and could only say things like "Hulk Smash". Another Grey Hulk was very intelligent but could not stay transformed in Sunlight. Another Green Hulk got stronger the madder he got. Another Hulk combined all the personalities into the only true "Hero" hulk who was half strong/half smarts/half human. There have been many other vrsions, some talk alot some don't. I believe the one in the movie will be the madder the stronger and meaner Hulk.

Gary... I remember the Spider-man, Hulk, and Thor live action. I don't remember Captain America or Daredevil though. I did see a semi-bad Captain America movie once though.
 

garyhoov

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Originally posted by spider-man


Gary... I remember the Spider-man, Hulk, and Thor live action. I don't remember Captain America or Daredevil though. I did see a semi-bad Captain America movie once though.

:lol: The semi-bad Captain America movie was wonderful compared to the TV show (remember the rubber ears in the movie, for some reason they couldn't cut holes in the mask for his real ears to stick out, so they had rubber ones molded in). I think both Captain America and Daredevil may have only had two hour made for TV spots ( The Captain America movie you are talking about was different and intended for theatrical release, but I think it went straight to video)
 

WDWspider

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Originally posted by garyhoov
:lol: The semi-bad Captain America movie was wonderful compared to the TV show (remember the rubber ears in the movie, for some reason they couldn't cut holes in the mask for his real ears to stick out, so they had rubber ones molded in). I think both Captain America and Daredevil may have only had two hour made for TV spots ( The Captain America movie you are talking about was different and intended for theatrical release, but I think it went straight to video)

Oh, I did see a Daredevil TV movie with him in a black suit, is that a different one too?
 

WDWspider

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The only really good SuperHero live action show so far has been The Flash and that's DC. Maybe some of the newer Superman incarnations too.
 

MKCustodial

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Originally posted by spider-man
Hulk has gone through many many manifestations through the years. He first stated off Grey. The Green Mean Savage Hulk was early on and could only say things like "Hulk Smash". Another Grey Hulk was very intelligent but could not stay transformed in Sunlight. Another Green Hulk got stronger the madder he got. Another Hulk combined all the personalities into the only true "Hero" hulk who was half strong/half smarts/half human. There have been many other vrsions, some talk alot some don't. I believe the one in the movie will be the madder the stronger and meaner Hulk.

I guess all Hulks get stronger as they get madder. And I remember the first Hulk was grey and then changed to green because of some technical problem with the colors (!!!!). He used to have a personality in the beginning, different than Banner's, and Banner could trigger the transformation with a Gamma ray device. Later, he started losing control of the Hulk, and the Savage Hulk period begam, with the transformations being triggered by his humor. Leonard Samson was able to separate Banner from the Hulk, which only made him more savage, and Banner started dying. So they were fused together and I think that was the first time he was stuck as the Hulk, but in Banner mode (around Secret Wars). He lost control of the Hulk again, and more experiences triggered a new change: Joe Fixit, the Grey, less strong Hulk, totally different personality. Banner during the day, Hulk by night. After that, he would change into both Hulks randomly for a brief period untill Samson joined all personaities into one, creating Bruce Banner the Hulk. Later, it was discovered that Samson simply created a new personality, the Professor Hulk. During that phase, if Banner got angry, he'd turn back to Banner, but with his mind stuck on Savage Hulk mode. Right now, doen here in Brazil, we're reading stories from 2000, and Banner is very sick about to die. He has a deal with the Hulks, they can have control once he dies/passes a safety line, so to speak. And he's been alternating randomly among Savage Hulk, Joe Fixit and the Professor, but with a dark, ruthless monster looming somewhere in the depths of his mind. I hear that nowadays, in the US, the Hulk is savage again, but Banner has SOME control over him, and he's responding to whatever physical changes Banner sports. For example, if Banner hasn't shaved, than the Hulk is bearded. If he dies his hair, so's the Hulk. And it didn't use to be like that.

It'd be SO much fun if the Hulk 2 would bring Joe Fixit. I know they wouldn't do it, it'd be too difficult to explain in a movie, but it sure would be cool.

By the way, are there any villains in the movie?

And did you hear rumors that Bruce Campbell would be Curt Conners in Amazing Spider-Man? His website denies it, though... But he's signed to be on the movie!
 

MKCustodial

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Originally posted by garyhoov
That's the one I was talking about.

:wave:

I remember that Daredevil, along with a bearded Kingpin, in "The Trial of the Incredible Hulk", and I remember Thor in another Hulk TV movie. It was fun, Thor was very obnoxious and a different person than Donald Blake. Blake had his hammer, and he'd hold it high and cry "Odin!" and then Thor would show up! I also remember both Captain Americas. The older one had a bike and a helmet, and a glider, and it was VERY cheesy. The old one was better done, but still weird. The Skull was Italian and had plastic surgery to hide his red face... He dies playing the piano, poor thing... :cry:
 

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and had to battle my arch nemesis, Monsuta Kiyoujou...

Me Neither, but it's true.
 

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garyhoov

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Originally posted by MKCustodial

By the way, are there any villains in the movie?


I'm guessing since it's a first movie, the main antagonist will be Thunderbolt Ross (Sam Elliot). I'm expecting a lot of rampaging with Ross chasing after him with tanks. To try to do too much more with the first movie could be a mistake, but we'll see.
 

WDWFREAK53

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Originally posted by garyhoov
I'm guessing since it's a first movie, the main antagonist will be Thunderbolt Ross (Sam Elliot). I'm expecting a lot of rampaging with Ross chasing after him with tanks. To try to do too much more with the first movie could be a mistake, but we'll see.

Is his only main "villain" Rhino???
 

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