Spaceship in Spaceship Earth

Expo_Seeker40

Well-Known Member
Martin, instead of doing an entire rewrite of 1986 cronkite communicore tribute, would it be easier to do just a "boy in bedroom", "woman in office" "operations center" 180 top and some of tomorrow's child video torrent instead? :wave:

It seems to me that the video of 180 top would now be as follows....

Enter 180 top straight ahead is stars all around....vehicle begins to turn and earth projection comes into view as does small satelite and astronaut...perhaps worldkey image would be good for this first glimpse

Vehicle now fully turned around and heading backwards around 180 top...more stars....then a photoshopped or enhanced use of the flash picture of the small satelite and astronaut over on our right as we head backwards and down. :dazzle:

Track lighting becomes visible as we head down...enhanced video of Mark's video of the satelite and track lighting...then the now two flash pictures we have of the satelite. Then the view of the girl looking out the window and then entering the tomorrow's child sequence?
 

Expo_Seeker40

Well-Known Member
And now watching again Martin your enhanced video of Mark's 180 top footage I can now see the small satelite and astronaut. I can see the disk, the astronaut below that and the cylendar. So it is NOT the earth projection, but Mark must have had his lens at wide angle when he did that because the figures look very small.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I`m so hyped about all this (and the new pics today) it`s like being a kid again.... or more so than normal. I`m actually thinking of doing a video as Expo mentioned above, recreating with what we now know how 180top used to be. I may as well do the bedroom, office & both Network Ops scenes too, and maybe the descent just for the music..

I might even try the original Moonbase / space station concept as it would have appeared had it been finished. Info is limited but I have a good idea how it would have looked. Anyone interested in this 180top version 4 video tribute??

There are a few things I`d need to nail down though.. I`ll use Expo`s list from above as a guide;

There was a different and smaller projection of Earth and in a different place....I guess I can believe this...but couldn't it be the old cam corder lenses make it look different? It seems to me that the Earth projection we see now was always the original one.

There were two astronauts and two satelites.
Unless anyone can confirm otherwise this is a definate. 2 models.

The smallest satelite was to our right as we are heading backwards and out in the open 180 top and just past the earth projection?
Now, here I`m thinking the earth was and still is to your left as you go backwards - projected onto the larger part of the dome you don`t travel under. Please corrcect me, even when I`ve reviewed tapes it`s a bit hard to tell `which way is up` in the dark, and it`s been too long since I rode SSE.
I`ll look at the source tapes again, but I`m pretty sure they suggest the first smaller satellite was to the right of the track as you go backwards. Indeed I recall someone being up there after hours recently commenting the top of stairway 11 (shown in the link below) is a platform with fixings for a model not there anymore. I`ll double check, but in my own 1990 video the time taken to pan from the large satellite to the window is too short for stairway 11 to have had the larger satellite on it. Again, I`m looking for agreement or not. Every bit helps.

The larger satelite was either in the boarder of the space station or was inside the space station which I now believe.
It looks like it was in the edge/border of the station/core. Again, timing the window to the model and seeing it`s placement means it`d be closer to the window to be in the core, and also too close to the track.

The "exterior" of the space station is really the "interior" of the shaft. The exterior houses the window where the girl was looking out. I truly belive she is the same girl in the videophone/modern scene before we reach 180 top.
Yes and yes!

The roof, or overhang bay of the space station was also dark and black, but had track lighting at the front of it that provided some light.
Yes - to a point. The roof of the core dosn`t seem to have been solid; more a ceiling piece as I showed in the recent composite (with dome and flashing lights on it) connected to struts holding it up (red lights on some of the struts) - the beenboon pics in particular shows stars and the earth visible on the roof directly above the core, through a gap.

I'd say we all agree that the window was in the wall of the core, above the ride track?

And can I confirm the Omnimovers rotate just after entering 180top, not half way round the floor as my diagrams show?

It`s coming together slowly!

This http://forums.wdwmagic.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23729&d=1169691764 looks to be right in my head from what I just wrote??
 

SewIn2Disney

Well-Known Member
I was fascinated by this thread when it first started, and followed it for the duration of the first run, and now I'm glad to see its back! I was in WDW last week, and the rumors are true, I guess because if the recent clean-up, it's easy to see the spaceship to the right as you are descending backwards. I smiled to myself when I saw it, and thought of this thread....I'm so glad to see it back! Keep up the great sleuthing!
 

beachclubbasics

New Member
Yes the astronauts and ship were really there and I don't know why they were removed as they were much better than what is there now.

It might be because it became a game to take flash pictures in that part of the ride...and of course you could see every wire and pole that held everything up every time someone took a picture. My husband and I were stuck in there once for twn minutes while there was some unnamed problem...saw much more of the backstage area in that part of the ride than I ever wanted to.
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
And can I confirm the Omnimovers rotate just after entering 180top, not half way round the floor as my diagrams show?

I road it to check: the Omnimovers rotate one-quarter of the way, facing the earth projection, immediately upon entering the 180 top. They then rotate the remaining distance (turning you completely backwards) within about ten seconds.

The top is rather well-lit now that Siemens is paying for the refurbishment; the lunar surface pieces are more visible now than before, and you can even see where the window was covered.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I road it to check: the Omnimovers rotate one-quarter of the way, facing the earth projection, immediately upon entering the 180 top. They then rotate the remaining distance (turning you completely backwards) within about ten seconds..
Now that`s what I call teamwork! Thank you :wave:
 

joel_maxwell

Permanent Resident of EPCOT
morning team! :D

ok, looks like you had a busy weekend. way to go with the jeff lange reference. kudos Epcotrob!

martin: i think this question might have gotten overlooked with all the excitement... but where are all of these props now. i havent seen or noticed them recycled anywhere.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I`ve not heard a thing about the props. What seems certain is they are not in their original place. Unless they are stored somewhere in the building I dread to think.
 

Epcotrob

New Member
Looks like im going to have to ride all day long without getting off and hope for a evac while im in the top 180. :lol: Heck I would settle for a ride with the show elements and the work lights on. There's my dream disney ....... make it happen.

Heres to hoping it will happen. :lookaroun
 

DubyooDeeDubyoo

Active Member
Hey there, SSE fans. Having only been on SSE about 9 times and all of them in the past year, I'm trying to store the knowledge in my head here about this ride's past because I'm just a happy geek for irrelevant old-school Disney trivia. ;)

Since I read this thread this morning while visiting the resort, today I went and rode SSE twice in the late afternoon while the sunset was shining on the sphere (not sure if that would light up the top any more, but I figured why not give it a shot.) On the second time, we got stuck up top briefly so I had a lot of time to stare hard at things and figure out if I'm seeing something on the wall or just the usual triangular design of the wall.

I believe I can see a satellite, somewhere up to the right when you turn to face the Earth on the wall. It's kind of above the communication tunnel you come out of. There is a disturbance in the star field there, and a bit of a 3D-ish effect there that makes me think there's something there, but I could just be seeing things. Looking right immediately after turning backwards, I don't see much.

However, looking directly behind you in the classroom scene reveals a VERY visible cylinder-shaped object that kind of looks like a rocket engine or something. Also, when looking straight up during the TV newscasts I can see a V-shaped dark object against the stars, attatched to the top of the tunnel you go backwards into. I'm guessing that was part of the space station. As for the classroom, aside from the cylinder, I can't see anything. Looking down and to the right reveals what looks like a pile of rocks but hides the speakers.

I'm from conversation that the cylinder is the "rocket ship" CMs were telling me about later on.

I have no idea where the covered window that used to hold the Asian-looking girl is.

As I got out, I asked a young man on unload if he's ever seen the sets with all the lights turned on and he said yes, so I asked him about this stuff. He said "it's all still there" and talked about how the rocket is there, the satellite is there, and the astronaut frozen in a spacewalk pose. I then left, and thought about Expo_Seeker's comment about the AA in the window and whether she was repurposed for the translation scene. Personally, I'm not sure since they have a live-action video of a girl with the same apparence in that room, but then again the boy AA doesn't look much like the kid on her screen either.

Anyway, the guy at the post-show wall wouldn't let me walk back up the exit to talk to the first guy but offered to take my questions, and he also confirmed everything the first guy said and when I asked about the girl he said it's "very possible." He then drifted into this thing about Walt Disney, the World's Fair, and the hall of Presidents. This was kind of lost on me because as far as I know the only President AA made for a world's fair was Disneyland's Lincoln made for the state of Illinois in '64. I'm not sure if he meant OLD HoP AAs from the MK or what. Either way, he said that most of the AA figs in SSE are former Presidents. And that the guy playing the mandolin in the Rennaisance is Eisenhower.

I know CMs have a tendency for pulling legs and tall tales, and since I can't remember Walt building any Presidents other than Lincoln it's raised a red flag, but I thought I'd throw this to the crowd and find out what anyone else thinks, or if this is commonly known trivia (I'm a DL vet and not much of a WDW info-hound.)

Anyway, if anyone in the next 12-15 hours after I post this can tell me what to specifically look for aside from the "rocketship" behind the classroom, I'll gladly go take a look tomorrow. I never saw the original ride so I don't exactly know what to keep my eyes attuned for.

Also, if there's anything someone (Martin in particular since I know he's working so hard on this) wants me to ask around to the various CMs at the ride tomorrow, please let me know promptly. They seem to know what it looks like with the house lights on and some of them are quite eager to talk about their attraction. Thanks.
 

mayoki

Member
Original Poster
I think the 2 comm dishes attached to each of the satellites in the Jeff lange pictures were pointed at each other.

also, you can see the arm from the "space station" on the left of the larger satellite.
 

DubyooDeeDubyoo

Active Member
Ok, I've re-read more of this thread further and I think I'm armed with enough knowledge to do further investigating tomorrow. Part of the problem with my last visits is that I'm so busy looking for the big satellite that I can't see that I start rolling through the space station and don't even know it until it's too late.

I'm not quite sure where either of the satellites are but I did see the boomerang-shaped object in Martin's Irons video standing out against the background and it reminded me of the "red bar" as soon as I noticed it although it appears to be only one piece of it, as it seems to be suspended in air on both sides by two thinner wires. I shall pay more attention again next time.

And we started off this thread by saying that the girl was to the right just before this piece ought to go flying overhead but so far all of Martin's pictures suggest she's behind the classroom where the rocket engine/cylinder would be.

This is kind of fun to be your eyes and ears, although all these nightvision and flash-photo shots in the middle of a darkened room looking for blacked-out 3D props reminds me a bit too much of those ghost-hunting closed-circuit videos from back in the day.

I'm still open to help out as little as I can though. This day starting in a few hours will be my last complete day at the resort. Until then, I must get some sleep. Good night, and don't let the stripped-down animatronic in the blacked-out space station bite!:wave: :lol:
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Dubyoo... welcome to the madhouse :lol:

That`s very interesting. If you get this in time today, here`s roughly how it seems the layout would be today

After coming into 180top and as you turn around, in the distance you may first see the top of the `core` - the middle of the building, like an octagonal tube - which you exit into. It seems both satellites would be to the left of this as you look at it across the room. As you complete the rotation you may see something above the entry tunnel - I don`t believe any props were ever placed there (at least not for show) but have been told the original scissor lift for access to the roof hatch is somewhere in that area. There may be a very `slim` chance one of the unused 1982 original props is there - nothing I`ve yet mentioned - but that`s very unlikely and another story (think flat, square spaceship!)

As you travel fully backwards the smaller satellite should come into view from over your right shoulder, and then remain roughly infront of you as you line up for the descent ramp. Just before the descent, and a few seconds before the newscaster, the large satellite should be on your right. If it`s there and reasonably well lit (?) you won`t miss is; it must have been 12-14ft tall. It`s robot arm would have I think stretched to your right, towards the back of the core.

As you descend, the framework in the shape of the red strip lighting would be above the newscaster screen - indeed it seems the screen maybe partially hung off of it. And at this moment, the cone shape with a large black squate (the window) would be almost right above you and behind you, slightly to the right. As you back into the smaller tunnel the cone is above the tunnel entrance.

I`d doubt the SSE AAs are presidents; they were made in 1981, and I can find no record of the HoP having a major rehab by then. Indeed, Lincoln was the only one at the NYWF in `64 - the CM may have been confused with One Nation Under God - the show that stemmed from the NYWF and that was planned for Edisson Square in DLC. It was this that spawned the HoP in Orlando. However, it was never built. Do ask again, and have fun squinting in the dark just preying you`ll hear the Omnimover motors beginning to wind down whilst up top!
 

DubyooDeeDubyoo

Active Member
So then, it seems like

Enter, rotate part-way: Look to the center-left of the room
Begin final rotating: Try and look to the center of the room
Finish final rotating: Look to my right
Begin descent, no news screen: Look right-upwards
Newscaster screen appears: Look for presumed "red strip" boomerang, look beind on the right for window/cylinder.

Okay, I'll give it a few tries today.
 

joel_maxwell

Permanent Resident of EPCOT
I remember reading that they used the molds from the President's heads (HoP) for the men in SSE.
lol... i bet they didnt use the recognizable nixon mug

:D

So then, it seems like

Enter, rotate part-way: Look to the center-left of the room
Begin final rotating: Try and look to the center of the room
Finish final rotating: Look to my right
Begin descent, no news screen: Look right-upwards
Newscaster screen appears: Look for presumed "red strip" boomerang, look beind on the right for window/cylinder.

Okay, I'll give it a few tries today.
if no one is on the attraction with you.... use a flash. a bright one! :lookaroun
 
A BUDDY AND I WORKED IN FUTURE WORLD AND HE MOVED TO SPACESHIP eARTH. IF YOU SHINE A FLASHLIGHT (LIKE YOU CARRY THAT IN THE PARK WITH YOU?) STRAIGHT UP WHERE IT USED TO BE, YOU CAN STILL SEE IT! THEY NEVER TOOK IT DOWN, JUST HID IT A BIT. THIS WAS AS OF JUNE '05 SO IT MAY BE GONE BY NOW. HAPPY HUNTING
 

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