Soarin'

[ScrapIron]

Doesn't bother me a bit. Of course, it didn't bother me a bit when DCA got the same Muppet and Bug 3D films, either. It does strike me as more than a little ironic that when WDW opened without Pirates and with plans to build Western River Expedition, Florida went ballistic that they wouldn't be getting one of the most beloved rides from DL.

 

[Hakunamatata]

I'm hoping for a "Soarin' Over America," with highlights of the cities and landscapes across the U.S.

It would be really cool to see all the "red and blue states" on film. I thought most of the states were more of a green and brown. Shows what I know.... :hammer: :hammer:

 

[brich]

For the most part, duplicate rides have almost always had differences. I'm not aware of any exact duplicates, throw em out there if there are (and I'm sure there are, Dumdo etc...). Pirates is Pirates but from the 3 versions I've riden, each has had a bit of a difference that made me enjoy all 3. Same with Haunted Mansion/Manor in 3 flavors. I've never been on Soarin' Cali but just having a different movie to me would change the feel of the ride just enough to want to enjoy both versions. I do tend to agree that it appears to be a cheap way out of developing new unique rides. I would love new unique rides for the different parks but the different flavors of the same ride, for ME, has been very enjoyable. :sohappy:

 

[Lee]

But I agree with what everyone is saying, dumping a duplicate of a DCA attraction into WDW, is lazy and cheap. Just like how the put a ToT in DL and now they are working on putting one in Tokyo. Its a cop out, an excuse not to pay imagineers and other creative talent any more than they have to. They pay them for the initial idea and then they can recycle that idea till its dead. So in their mind they are getting 2-3 rides for the price of one. If WDW has the exact same attractions as DL and DCA, what would be my motivation to go to DL?

I, for one, am not saying putting Soarin' at Epcot is lazy and cheap...I think it's great.
The cloning of attractions is not new, and has not proven to be detrimental to attendance at any park. MK, Tokyo Disneyland, Hong Kong Disneyland, and Disneyland Paris are all, to some extent, clones of Disneyland. So what? Major fans will go to the other parks anyway, and the general public doesn't make the distinction.

I see it as a non-issue.

 

[OliveMcFly]

I hope that eventually we will be flying over Florida. In the end we can land right in Epcot. I've only been to Anaheim, DL, Calif. so the film should be interesting.

 

[PurpleDragon]

I, for one, am not saying putting Soarin' at Epcot is lazy and cheap...I think it's great.
The cloning of attractions is not new, and has not proven to be detrimental to attendance at any park. MK, Tokyo Disneyland, Hong Kong Disneyland, and Disneyland Paris are all, to some extent, clones of Disneyland. So what? Major fans will go to the other parks anyway, and the general public doesn't make the distinction.

I see it as a non-issue.

But as brich just stated, the other various rides that have been duplicated, have each been modified to offer a new unique experience. None of them have been an exact duplicate, and I think it would be cheap and in bad taste for Disney to start doing "exact clones" now. All I'm saying is that they need to modify the attraction in some way, enough to clearly differentiate it from the one in DCA.

 

[Tim G]

For the most part, duplicate rides have almost always had differences. I'm not aware of any exact duplicates, throw em out there if there are (and I'm sure there are, Dumdo etc...). Pirates is Pirates but from the 3 versions I've riden, each has had a bit of a difference that made me enjoy all 3. Same with Haunted Mansion/Manor in 3 flavors. I've never been on Soarin' Cali but just having a different movie to me would change the feel of the ride just enough to want to enjoy both versions. I do tend to agree that it appears to be a cheap way out of developing new unique rides. I would love new unique rides for the different parks but the different flavors of the same ride, for ME, has been very enjoyable. :sohappy:

So if you want to rebuild the parks...(no "clones" )that would be great... but in that case don't forget to triple the ticket prices...

An average ride should make break-even in about 10 years, so if you think you can do that, make friends with Michael Eisner, He'll let you in...

BTW Direct Lifts are not made that easy... The ride itself doesn't research but the concepts will never be the same, so for the research of the new location...


Greetz!

 

[MKCP 1985]

But as brich just stated, the other various rides that have been duplicated, have each been modified to offer a new unique experience. None of them have been an exact duplicate, and I think it would be cheap and in bad taste for Disney to start doing "exact clones" now. All I'm saying is that they need to modify the attraction in some way, enough to clearly differentiate it from the one in DCA.

I hear you, but I think you maybe are a little too demanding on the Walt Disney Company. A great attraction is a great attraction, and the parks are built to serve different geographic locations. Most people who visit one park may never visit another, or may only visit the other once. It doesn't make economic sense to fill the parks with exclusively individual attractions. What we can only hope is that the version we get is not watered down from the original. Clones don't have to be a bad thing.

Now, as to Soarin', I am looking forward to its EPCOT debut. I haven't seen the California version, as I've only been to Disneyland once, and that was forever ago. I'm not angry that the film will be of California, and if someday a new film is tailored to Central Florida, or the USA, or the planet Earth, that will be great, but it isn't VITAL.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I hear you, but I think you maybe are a little too demanding on the Walt Disney Company. A great attraction is a great attraction, and the parks are built to serve different geographic locations. Most people who visit one park may never visit another, or may only visit the other once. It doesn't make economic sense to fill the parks with exclusively individual attractions. What we can only hope is that the version we get is not watered down from the original. Clones don't have to be a bad thing.

Now, as to Soarin', I am looking forward to its EPCOT debut. I haven't seen the California version, as I've only been to Disneyland once, and that was forever ago. I'm not angry that the film will be of California, and if someday a new film is tailored to Central Florida, or the USA, or the planet Earth, that will be great, but it isn't VITAL.

If they didn't TELL people the video was in California, most people wouldn't know the difference--there are only a few sites that are clearly Californian; everything else is pretty universal and just beautiful to see. And I think the climactic flight over Disneyland serves as a good reminder to guests of where it all started...

 

[Merriweather]

Soarin over California is awesome

Our 5 yr old is all bummed out that it won't be open for New Year's when we are going to be there. We were in Disneyland in June and that was her favorite ride. We will be going back to WDW at Halloween 2005 so we will see it then. Also hoping to get to CA again soon. Love to visit but wouldn't want to live there. What is the name of the hotel that opens onto California Adventure?

 

[Lee]

The Grand Californian.

 

[Shaman]

I, for one, am not saying putting Soarin' at Epcot is lazy and cheap...I think it's great.
The cloning of attractions is not new, and has not proven to be detrimental to attendance at any park. MK, Tokyo Disneyland, Hong Kong Disneyland, and Disneyland Paris are all, to some extent, clones of Disneyland. So what? Major fans will go to the other parks anyway, and the general public doesn't make the distinction.

I see it as a non-issue.

Not only that...the video can be replaced in three to five years (or sooner even)...the important thing is that the attraction is built....its there....its something new...and something good.

I guess I just love the fact of not having to go all the way to the DLR to ride Soarin' again...it was definetely one of the things I loved about the DLR...and now it will soon open in WDW...

 

[Testtrack321]

The Grand Californian.

Love that hotel. Just saw the Great Hotels episode with it on. Brings back the memories....

 

[Indy95]

The Grand Californian is a great hotel. It's amazing how fast you can go in and out of the parks! You can go from your room to the Soarin queue in five minutes!

 

[brich]

So if you want to rebuild the parks...(no "clones" )that would be great... but in that case don't forget to triple the ticket prices...

Rebuilding the parks is not what I was implying. I really don't have a problem with the same rides in other parks so long as they have a touch of individualism to them. I would be disappointed if the rides were identical or "clones" but as for what they have done in the past, I don't mind it. It would be better, in my opinion, if Soarin eventually had a different movie than Cali's version.

Most people who visit one park may never visit another, or may only visit the other once. It doesn't make economic sense to fill the parks with exclusively individual attractions.

But on the other hand, there are a lot of people who do visit more than one park and do so because they offer different rides. Where's the economic sense in not making the parks different in an attempt to draw visitors who have been to a park already. If the parks are the same, you'll draw regional visitors. If the parks offer differences, so long as duplicate rides have a sense of individualism, you'll attract the same regional guests but will also draw visitors from outside of the region. I would never have gone to Disneyland Paris if it just had the same rides as WDW. Likewise, I would have no desire to go to Disneyland if it was the same as WDW. Simply put, you expand your park market globally by offering exclusively individal rides in each park where as identical parks limit your market to only regional. There's some economic sense. Just my opinion..

 

[PurpleDragon]

Rebuilding the parks is not what I was implying. I really don't have a problem with the same rides in other parks so long as they have a touch of individualism to them. I would be disappointed if the rides were identical or "clones" but as for what they have done in the past, I don't mind it. It would be better, in my opinion, if Soarin eventually had a different movie than Cali's version.
But on the other hand, there are a lot of people who do visit more than one park and do so because they offer different rides. Where's the economic sense in not making the parks different in an attempt to draw visitors who have been to a park already. If the parks are the same, you'll draw regional visitors. If the parks offer differences, so long as duplicate rides have a sense of individualism, you'll attract the same regional guests but will also draw visitors from outside of the region. I would never have gone to Disneyland Paris if it just had the same rides as WDW. Likewise, I would have no desire to go to Disneyland if it was the same as WDW. Simply put, you expand your park market globally by offering exclusively individal rides in each park where as identical parks limit your market to only regional. There's some economic sense. Just my opinion..

Very well put brich!!:sohappy: I agree 100%, thats basically what I've been trying to say but just couldn't word it quite right. You hit the nail right on the head!!:wave:

 

[CTXRover]

In regards to Soarin' being a direct clone....

...Soarin' will be slightly different in Epcot than DCA. Granted, the actual ride itself will be an exact clone, but the queue and events leading up to it will apparently have a very different feel from its DCA counterpart giving the ride a slightly different purpose. In place of pictures and props that illustrate and focus on the history of aviation as done at DCA with the focus of the experience being on the handgliding aspect, Epcot's Soarin' queue will focus more on pictures and props of the Earth's different ecosystems/biospheres with the focus of the experience being on "the land" aspect. In theory, it should mean Epcot's Soarin' will, rightfully so, have a greater concentration on "the land" aspect and less on the aviation aspect. So it isn't 'direct' clone in that sense, as they are tweeking the purpose of the ride to greater reflect its role in the pavilion.

The fact that Soarin' is a simulator-type ride, the only way for it to not be a direct clone is to change the video, unlike when other rides are cloned and have various changes here and there throughout. The same is true when they clone various 3-D shows at different Disney parks or when the cloned Star Tours at the various Disney parks, etc. And cloning is NOT a bad thing..afterall, without it, there would be no Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World.

Soarin' over California will fit perfectly into the Land. As others have said, besides certain obvious CA landmarks (Golden Gate Bridge, Disneyland, etc.), most folks will not even know all of it is from CA unless otherwise told. Either way, we're talking about replacing a small show that dealt solely with "good nutrition" and had virtually nothing to do with "the land" with a ride that ultimately gathers its wonder from the "land" we fly over in it.

 

[LilWalt]

well put CTXRover. The new ride will fit in well in EPCOT. I understand everyones point and I personally probably will never visit any other park other than Walt Disney World.
Have zero desire to. WDW is the happiest place on earth, why settle for less.

 

[Hakunamatata]

well put CTXRover. The new ride will fit in well in EPCOT. I understand everyones point and I personally probably will never visit any other park other than Walt Disney World.
Have zero desire to. WDW is the happiest place on earth, why settle for less.

Totally agree. In fact, my wife is wanting to go to Ireland. I told her maybe in ten years or so, they will have Ireland at EPCOT and we wont have to take that ridiculously long flight....

 

[Indy95]

The only thing I would want them to change would be to make the benches move a little bit more! I don't care whether the movie's going to be the same, just put some extra oomph in those benches!