So, You Want to be an Imagineer Season 18 HYPE THREAD!

Outbound

Outbound

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Pi on my Cake said:
Incredibles 2 gets a lot of hate, but really it's only problem is not being as good as the original. It's still a pretty great movie.
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For me that was my biggest issue. It was awkwardly retreading the old story only with only a few deviations. Yeah, would probably be called "great" if the original hadn't come out... but that's the same way you'd call The Force Awakens great if Star Wars hadn't existed prior.

Compare that to Toy Story 2/3/4, Cars 2/3, even Monsters U and they all tell unique stories set with the same world and characters.
 
TwilightZone

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NateD1226 said:
Agreed. Disney has been using the same "twist-villain" concept for the past couple of years now. Examples include (spoilers!) Ernesto De La Cruz, Lotso, Mayor Bellwether, Hans, and more. It is getting very tiring.
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I love how even teen titans go to the movies riffs on it! So over used, though I am glad it seems like they are taking their twists to more unique directions, like how in wreck it ralph 2 ralph is technically the villain. Granted that example wasn't very well done, but it's the first to come to mind haha.
 
NateD1226

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TwilightZone said:
I love how even teen titans go to the movies riffs on it! So over used, though I am glad it seems like they are taking their twists to more unique directions, like how in wreck it ralph 2 ralph is technically the villain. Granted that example wasn't very well done, but it's the first to come to mind haha.
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Totally. Another one that just came to mind is how Gabby Gabby was made out to be the villain but she ended up just wanting the love and attention that all the other toys had. So I guess in a way they are slowly moving away from the twist villain concept

Also Teen Titans Go to the Movies was a pretty good movie tbh lol
 
Pi on my Cake

Pi on my Cake

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NateD1226 said:
Agreed. Disney has been using the same "twist-villain" for the past couple of years now. Examples include (spoilers!) Ernesto De La Cruz, Lotso, Mayor Bellwether, Hans, and more. It is getting very tiring.
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I am very sick of twist villains.

This one felt different to me because Screenslaver was set up as a mystery. So, instead of a twist (like those others), it felt like a reveal. Plus, it happens at about the half way point, not the end. So, to me, Screenslaver didn't bother me. I thought it was a cool villain.

Outbound said:
For me that was my biggest issue. It was awkwardly retreading the old story only with only a few deviations. Yeah, would probably be called "great" if the original hadn't come out... but that's the same way you'd call The Force Awakens great if Star Wars hadn't existed prior.

Compare that to Toy Story 2/3/4, Cars 2/3, even Monsters U and they all tell unique stories set with the same world and characters.
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I didn't think it was just a retread personally. It changed up a lot of character dynamics and had its own set of themes. But again, that's just me.

Suchomimus said:
Its villain and ending are what brings the film down.
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The ending does bring it down. The climax on the boat and stopping the crash just wasn't as exciting nor did the threat feel as personal.
 
Suchomimus

Suchomimus

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NateD1226 said:
Agreed. Disney has been using the same "twist-villain" concept for the past couple of years now. Examples include (spoilers!) Ernesto De La Cruz, Lotso, Mayor Bellwether, Hans, and more. It is getting very tiring.
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Pi on my Cake said:
I am very sick of twist villains.

This one felt different to me because Screenslaver was set up as a mystery. So, instead of a twist (like those others), it felt like a reveal. Plus, it happens at about the half way point, not the end. So, to me, Screenslaver didn't bother me. I thought it was a cool villain.
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It's not Screenslaver or twist-villains that I'm actually referring to.
My gripe with the choice of antagonist comes from Evelyn and her motivations. Her motivations are the same as Syndrome's; get rid of all supers because of a heart breaking event in the past (only major difference in her case was that she just wants supers to remain illegal and not outright kill and replace them).
This brings me to the point in which how stupid the story behind her prejudice actually is because even though her family had a saferoom to go to protect themselves from the burglars, her father felt the best place to put not one but two emergency telephones for two supers; (doesn't matter if they were killed by Syndrome or not) who had already hung their hangs and have gone into hiding; was not in the saferoom. It would be the same if it was a regular phone and he tried to call the police, he got himself and his wife killed because of his stupidity.
 
Suchomimus

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Pi on my Cake

Pi on my Cake

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Suchomimus said:
It's not Screenslaver or twist-villains that I'm actually referring to.
My gripe with the choice of antagonist comes from Evelyn and her motivations. Her motivations are the same as Syndrome's; get rid of all supers because of a heart breaking event in the past (only major difference in her case was that she just wants supers to remain illegal and not outright kill and replace them).
This brings me to the point in which how stupid the story behind her prejudice actually is because even though her family had a saferoom to go to protect themselves from the burglars, her father felt the best place to put not one but two emergency telephones for two supers; (doesn't matter if they were killed by Syndrome or not) who had already hung their hangs and have gone into hiding; was not in the saferoom. It would be the same if it was a regular phone and he tried to call the police, he got himself and his wife killed because of his stupidity.
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That is a great point. I don't see those issues as anything too major. But Screenslaver's backstory and eventual plot bring down the ending and are probably the weakest parts of the movie. They don't affect the overall quality in my opinion as much as they do to others though.

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Happy Brithday, Spongeboy me bob!
 

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