So Disney IS A Bargain?

Chef Mickey

Chef Mickey

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raven24 said:
Who is "we?" There you go, generalizing again.

How was my post ridiculous? I said not everyone who goes to Disney goes because they're head-over-heels in love with the place. That's ridiculous? I can tell you some do go out of habit, I gave you an example with my mother. You either forgot that part or purposely ignored it. And if you don't believe Disney is partly cruising on its legacy, again, you're delusional.

And you did think at least a little bit before you wrote this post, hence the use of "some" and "most."
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I just told you I generalize all the time because I'm generally right.

I have been quoted here saying Disney is currently standing on the shoulders of geniuses, particularly at WDW. I fully realize that and have been pounding the pulpit on the subject endlessly.

Come now my friend, I may have invented these bifocals I'm wearing, but I can assure you they are not rose colored!

What I've said is that people continue to go to Disney based on many factors, including very superior content (princess, classics, superior movies, etc). Yes, a generalization, but also true! You think Peter Pan's Flight would pass anywhere else? Why do people like it so much, STILL? Answer....the content! The history! The classic! The love! The passion!

I wish the parks were better. I wish things were like they used to be. Since it's not, it just bolsters my argument further. People just flat out want the Disney content and go back in spite of lagging updates in many cases. Kids want it, parents want it for their kids, it's a habit, it's tradition...whatever. Disney parks attendance grows every single year and they are destroying the competition. As an investor, I can tell you unequivocally they are destroying the competition. You can decide your own reason.
 
BrianV

BrianV

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Pluto15 said:
In summary to everything I've posted disney is still a bargain for the trips I've been on. That said its probably due to the offers and prices in the UK market and the comparisons for what you can get here. The weather alone is worth the money (and the people you meet there too) :)
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I don't know if you were being ironic, but I agree that the people in disney are largely super nice. Add to that, I'm usually in a great mood so I can take anything in stride. How can you be cranky in the magic kingdom, unless you are a toddler...;)

I will say that disney is no bargain if as a Bostonian, I compare a week in Ft Myers to a week in WDW. But we don't do a week in wdw. 3 days in wdw, catch the highlights, then a week in ft Myers. Best of all worlds for us, and means that disney is a relative bargain for us. (Also, using the now defunct no-expiration tickets has saved us a ton over the years!)
 
Pluto15

Pluto15

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BrianV said:
I don't know if you were being ironic, but I agree that the people in disney are largely super nice. Add to that, I'm usually in a great mood so I can take anything in stride. How can you be cranky in the magic kingdom, unless you are a toddler...;)

I will say that disney is no bargain if as a Bostonian, I compare a week in Ft Myers to a week in WDW. But we don't do a week in wdw. 3 days in wdw, catch the highlights, then a week in ft Myers. Best of all worlds for us, and means that disney is a relative bargain for us. (Also, using the now defunct no-expiration tickets has saved us a ton over the years!)
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No I love Americans :)
 
jloucks

jloucks

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Tom said:
It annoys me when people fixate on the $105 for a 1-day admission, and completely disregard the cost-per-day that most guests experience through park hoppers.

And then, compare any of those prices to an NFL game ticket (for 3 hours of entertainment), or an NBA game, or a A-lister concert.

Disney is expensive, but it can certainly be perceived as a bargain too. Everything is relative.
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You are so right. It is all relative. Great seats for a Vegas show were $140 a person. That bought you about 2 hours of entertainment. I kept thinking I'd rather be at WDW. Well,, after the show was over, not during,,, lol the show was pretty great (we saw Ka)
 
jloucks

jloucks

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raven24 said:
Dear lord... You missed the point of my response.

Yes, it's a fact Disney's theme park's attendance number exceeds that of others. However, you're insinuating all of those numbers are due to people who absolutely "crave" Disney, and other theme parks have low numbers because "no one wants to go there." You don't know that. Stop speaking for people you don't know.
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Can't...control....urge....must respond...

"Crave", this word has many synonyms. Pick one. ...or stay with the original. It basically means a powerful desire for something. For most people WDW is expensive. The only reason for spending that kind of money is because of an extraordinary demand.... a craving if you will. So the statement that all those numbers are because people crave disney is true. If disney was free, cheap, or you were rich, then and only then would it be false.

Low numbers at a park are actually indicative of (low) demand (or craving), or lack thereof. ... So yes, if a park has low numbers, and it is open, then people don't want to go there.
 
raven

raven

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Tom said:
Thanks for posting this. I think it's a well written article.

It annoys me when people fixate on the $105 for a 1-day admission, and completely disregard the cost-per-day that most guests experience through park hoppers.

And then, compare any of those prices to an NFL game ticket (for 3 hours of entertainment), or an NBA game, or a A-lister concert.

Disney is expensive, but it can certainly be perceived as a bargain too. Everything is relative.
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Apples to oranges, Tom.

I wouldn't take my family, with small children, to an NFL or NBA game or an A-list concert because it wouldn't be enjoyable for the entire family. Can you meet the team after the game? Can you get backstage at the concert to meet the performers with the cost of your ticket? Can you have a nice sit-down meal while you are there? Enjoy Fireworks? No. But you can at Disney.

$105 is for a single-day ticket and we know the price goes down when you add multiple days. But add a $9 burger for each member of your family, snacks, souvenirs and parking (if not staying on property) and it all adds up the same.

BTW, for those of you with My Coke Rewards: you can get a Single Day pass to any of the Cedar Fair parks for only 1000 points! (Cedar Point, Knots Berry Farm, Kings island, Cedar Fair, World of Fun, etc).
 
jloucks

jloucks

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Chef Mickey said:
Again, Disney is #1 in attendance and every other measure for a reason. Six Flags has some good Rollercoasters but no one wants to go there.
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False. Six Flags is very popular. As an annual pass holder I can attest it is more densely crowded than MK at times (weekends are more dense than MK during the week (in May or October since that is my only WDW experience).

Now I didn't say MORE people were there. I said it was more dense. More people per square foot. Comparing actual head counts I imagine MK has a population edge.

Six Flags isn't exactly cheap either. Still requires a decent amount of demand/craving to go there.

Now the bonus question would be, what would happen to Six Flags if Disney built a park in the DFW metroplex?
 
Californian Elitist

Californian Elitist

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jloucks said:
Can't...control....urge....must respond...

"Crave", this word has many synonyms. Pick one. ...or stay with the original. It basically means a powerful desire for something. For most people WDW is expensive. The only reason for spending that kind of money is because of an extraordinary demand.... a craving if you will. So the statement that all those numbers are because people crave disney is true. If disney was free, cheap, or you were rich, then and only then would it be false.

Low numbers at a park are actually indicative of (low) demand (or craving), or lack thereof. ... So yes, if a park has low numbers, and it is open, then people don't want to go there.
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Read my other responses.
 
DisneyMusician2

DisneyMusician2

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raven said:
Apples to oranges, Tom.

I wouldn't take my family, with small children, to an NFL or NBA game or an A-list concert because it wouldn't be enjoyable for the entire family. Can you meet the team after the game? Can you get backstage at the concert to meet the performers with the cost of your ticket? Can you have a nice sit-down meal while you are there? Enjoy Fireworks? No. But you can at Disney.

$105 is for a single-day ticket and we know the price goes down when you add multiple days. But add a $9 burger for each member of your family, snacks, souvenirs and parking (if not staying on property) and it all adds up the same.

BTW, for those of you with My Coke Rewards: you can get a Single Day pass to any of the Cedar Fair parks for only 1000 points! (Cedar Point, Knots Berry Farm, Kings island, Cedar Fair, World of Fun, etc).
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Again, value proposition and judgment. I've taken my family with small children to an MLB game on Fireworks night and we did sit down to dinner. It cost us well over $450 for the day, for what added up to 5 hours. It was fun, but I probably wouldn't do it again at that price point. Maybe the game, maybe the dinner, but its a lot for a Sunday afternoon/evening.

The way its apples-to-apples is that its money toward family fun. People get to choose how their dollar is spent. Instead of spending that money on activities at home, or day and weekend outings which add up quickly as well, people choose to take the money and spend it at Disney World.

The question isn't how much you used to get at WDW for your money, or how much it costs to do everything in your town, it is a comparison to other destinations for your family. Its a judgement about for what you get now, for your hard-earned money, will your family have a better time than they would other places. For some people, a $4,000 trip for a week is a lifetime of memories and fun. For some its a headache and too much running around. Thats the difference between value and cost.

Yes the cost just went up. But for that money, for some families, spending that $4,000 on another activity or range of activites won't give them the joy that Disney World will. Thats value.
 
jloucks

jloucks

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raven24 said:
The Six Flags parks have low attendance numbers. Didn't you just say if a park has low attendance, it automatically means "no one wants to go there"? How is Six Flags popular then?
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An empty park equals low demand. A full park equals high demand. It is a standard. Can't really argue it without nitpicking.

You're nitpicking generally accepted as true generalizations.
 
Californian Elitist

Californian Elitist

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jloucks said:
An empty park equals low demand. A full park equals high demand. It is a standard. Can't really argue it without nitpicking.

You're nitpicking generally accepted as true generalizations.
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I'm not nitpicking. The Six Flags parks have low attendance, whether you go on a day where it's full or or not. You said a park that's open with low attendance means no one wants to go there. You said nothing about a full park (what does that have to do with anything?).

I'm simply calling you out on your contradiction.
 
raven

raven

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DisneyMusician2 said:
Again, value proposition and judgment. I've taken my family with small children to an MLB game on Fireworks night and we did sit down to dinner. It cost us well over $450 for the day, for what added up to 5 hours. It was fun, but I probably wouldn't do it again at that price point. Maybe the game, maybe the dinner, but its a lot for a Sunday afternoon/evening.

The way its apples-to-apples is that its money toward family fun. People get to choose how their dollar is spent. Instead of spending that money on activities at home, or day and weekend outings which add up quickly as well, people choose to take the money and spend it at Disney World.

The question isn't how much you used to get at WDW for your money, or how much it costs to do everything in your town, it is a comparison to other destinations for your family. Its a judgement about for what you get now, for your hard-earned money, will your family have a better time than they would other places. For some people, a $4,000 trip for a week is a lifetime of memories and fun. For some its a headache and too much running around. Thats the difference between value and cost.

Yes the cost just went up. But for that money, for some families, spending that $4,000 on another activity or range of activites won't give them the joy that Disney World will. Thats value.
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Not sure what you are trying to prove here.

My post explained that in Disney you get everything in one day without having to visit another establishment. I quoted someone that stated you get the same at an NBA game or concert. Those may be the same price but they are completely different venues and activities; hence, Apples to Oranges.
 
jloucks

jloucks

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raven24 said:
I'm not nitpicking. The Six Flags parks have low attendance, whether you go on a day where it's full or or not. You said a park that's open with low attendance means no one wants to go there. You said nothing about a full park (what does that have to do with anything?).

I'm simply calling you out on your contradiction.
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Low based on what? Six Flags Capacity? Global population? MK Capacity?

In a discussion on a Six Flags numbers and popularity, that venues capacity should be assumed. ...not some other venue.

With that flawed logic WDW is not popular because there are 7 billion people on earth and only a tiny part goto WDW.

What do you think the term "low attendance" means? Whatever it is you are not considering capacity of the venue. The entire 7 billion of use don't have to attend something for it to experience heavy attendance.
 

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