DManRightHere
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But is their lousy wage more than Disney's minimum wage. Unfortunately I know several people that overvalue the work that they do
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Should it stay or should it go.
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But is their lousy wage more than Disney's minimum wage. Unfortunately I know several people that overvalue the work that they do
danyoung56
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If they're like waitstaff in most places in the country, their wage is far below the minimum wage standard.
Phonedave
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Getting on my soap box here
I think tipping is not fair to anyone - the customer, the employeer, or the employee. In any industry.
I make a good base salary - I also get a bonus (from my employer) every year - my bonus is based in part on how my complany does as a whole, and in part on how I do as an individual. That provides for an incentive (not that I need one, I would work with just a straight salary, just how I am).
When you rely on tips, there is too much variability - you can get customer who just don't tip (or who are from countries where tipping is not the norm), you get employees who are not sure how much money they are going to make, and therefore have budgeting issues, you have pricing structures that are not necessarly clear to the customer, and you have employess who may not be tipped becuse of an other employees actions (if the food is bad, that is the kitchens fault - most of the time - not the servers).
Pay everyone a living wage, adjust the product prices to reflect this, and if you as a business owner feel it necessary, install an incetivization program.
Of course this is a sea change in the restaruant industry, and is not easy to institute. A few restaruants have started doing this, but it is far from the norm.
-dave
I think tipping is not fair to anyone - the customer, the employeer, or the employee. In any industry.
I make a good base salary - I also get a bonus (from my employer) every year - my bonus is based in part on how my complany does as a whole, and in part on how I do as an individual. That provides for an incentive (not that I need one, I would work with just a straight salary, just how I am).
When you rely on tips, there is too much variability - you can get customer who just don't tip (or who are from countries where tipping is not the norm), you get employees who are not sure how much money they are going to make, and therefore have budgeting issues, you have pricing structures that are not necessarly clear to the customer, and you have employess who may not be tipped becuse of an other employees actions (if the food is bad, that is the kitchens fault - most of the time - not the servers).
Pay everyone a living wage, adjust the product prices to reflect this, and if you as a business owner feel it necessary, install an incetivization program.
Of course this is a sea change in the restaruant industry, and is not easy to institute. A few restaruants have started doing this, but it is far from the norm.
-dave
Princess_AmyK
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Not doing this to cause a riot. Just a different point of view.
(P.S. there is some cursing in the video so NSFW. Watch at your own risk.)
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danyoung56
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I had a loud argument with my little brother a few years ago about this. He also thought waitpeople should be paid a fair wage, and that tipping should go way. As such, he was a lousy tipper. My side of the argument was that, even though I agreed with him about how it should be, it wasn't that way now, and tipping lousy was hurting the waiter.
NCO91590
Active Member
The whole reason you take a demanding, stressful, high pressure, physically taxing job as a server is because you typically make more money with tips than your typical minimum wage job ringing up groceries. I waited tables and bartended for about 8 years through college and for a few years after. Yes, there were crappy shifts and crappy customers and crappy sections, but one awesome Saturday night would yield more cash in 5 hours than most people make in a week.
Everyone likes to minimize waitstaff, but not everyone can do it, and do it well. At Disney, I bet there's a lot of competition, especially for the high volume, high check average restaurants. I bet your server at say, CRT has been a server for like, 10 years and is probably awesome at his/her job. They've most likely been promoted to that position.
Take out the prospect of making money out of serving, and you would be hard pressed to find good waiters to do the job.
Everyone likes to minimize waitstaff, but not everyone can do it, and do it well. At Disney, I bet there's a lot of competition, especially for the high volume, high check average restaurants. I bet your server at say, CRT has been a server for like, 10 years and is probably awesome at his/her job. They've most likely been promoted to that position.
Take out the prospect of making money out of serving, and you would be hard pressed to find good waiters to do the job.
MickeyMomV
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I have to say I would rather have the waiter that is earning his/her tip. In most any profession that a tip, spiff, or commission is earned you tend to get better service (yes, there are extreme cases where this logic backfires but in my experience they are few and far between).