Security at the Park Entrance

[CAV]

Disagree. TSA which I know some who are employees do a responsible job that consistently keeps the flying public safe. May not have the best Pixie Dust customer service skills but I will take safety over that.

can you cite one terrorist TSA caught. I assure you, guns get past the checkpoint on a regular basis.

 

[CAV]

When's the last time a plane was hijacked departing the USA?

Thats the wrong question. The correct question is: When did TSA stop a terrorist?

 

[Lilofan]

can you cite one terrorist TSA caught. I assure you, guns get past the checkpoint on a regular basis.

When's the last time there was a hijack in the USA post 9/11/01?

 

[CAV]

Now look up how often TSA fails their own tests. They’re allowing more through than they catch.

A lot of what these systems find is things people forgot. They’re not stopping people who had imminent intent.

Bingo. Its irresponsible gun owners who forgot they had a firearm in their carry on.

 

[TalkToEthan]

regardless of what it actually says.

What our basic charter says on the matter is nebulous……..at best——so unclear that privacy rights aren’t even stated. Const. doesn’t say anything at all except for wholly ambiguous language like “due process” or “unreasonable searches and seizures”. And the meaning of those change depending on who got appointed by Chief and ultimately ratified by Senate.

Even the 14th doesn’t explicitly extend the Bill of Rights to states and their creatures (but most of us I would hope favor full incorporation.)

As for privacy one can not find the “objective truth” in the document because its language is vague and open.

 

[Chef Mickey]

As an attorney, I'd say you're dramatically misinterpreting the Constitution to make it say exactly what you want it to say, regardless of what it actually says.

Which isn't unusual, and you're free to do so, but you're certainly not stating any kind of objective truth about what the Constitution actually says.

You're not going to win many arguments if your "expert" opinion declares that our current political leadership and courts are doing a good job upholding the Constitution. It's laughable.

I'm not doing that. Our current courts are making the Constitution say what they want it to say. Probably 3/4 of what we currently spend money on is unconstitutional.

But, attorney on. You're just wrong.

 

[Chi84]

Bingo. It’s irresponsible gun owners who forgot they had a firearm in their carry on.

I’m grateful the TSA catches irresponsible gun owners and keeps them from bringing firearms on the plane.

 

[zurgandfriend]

Hello All,

Let me start by saying that again, I did not want to start a brouhaha. My DS and I had a wonderful trip and security was about what I expected. My souvenir shrapnel triggered the metal detectors. I stepped out of line got "checked-out" and proceeded into the parks or onto the monorail. I worn my veteran hat which saved me having to explain. Once I was cleared to proceed EVERY security guard thanked me for my service and I was saluted several times.

 

[John park hopper]

Guess it could be worse ---cavity searches

 

[Lilofan]

Guess it could be worse ---cavity searches

My friends from Colombia who arrived in Houston were subjected to interrogation in private rooms and had to submit for body X-Ray. One left the airport after that ordeal in tears.

 

[iamgroot61]

You keep use no the phrase “kids unwilling to exit their stroller”.

Presumably it is also policy not to expect parents to take a baby / toddler out of their stroller. Since I’ve never heard anyone say they were asked to do so.

Or to lift a child with a disability out of their stroller tagged as a wheelchair. Etc.

The expectation is that, if able and willing, persons are expected to exit their mobility vehicle. When a stroller with a child old enough to exit and walk through the scanning device on their own approaches, parents are told that everyone needs to pass through the scanner. At that point, they typically tell the kids to get out and everyone walks through. This frees the security staff to inspect the stroller (they are instructed to NOT reach into the bottom of a stroller with a child in it). The point is that the mobility device must be inspected. If the child is unwilling or unable to exit, parents are told to lean the child forward in their seat to reveal anything behind them, and then asked to pull everything out of the storage area in the bottom of the stroller. With scooters, most folks are able to briefly exit and walk through the scanner on their own. If not, supervisors are specially trained to walk them through some steps to allow an inspection (of their person) while seated in their scooter. Parents typically grab infants and carry them through the scanning device, but honestly, in my experience, very few infants are brought into the parks. The security host/hostess' job is to ask the question (sir/ma'am, are you able to walk through the scanner on your own). If not, the alternate process is done (security supervisor performs an inspection). Mobility devices do NOT go through, hence the policy.

 

[nickys]

The expectation is that, if able and willing, persons are expected to exit their mobility vehicle. When a stroller with a child old enough to exit and walk through the scanning device on their own approaches, parents are told that everyone needs to pass through the scanner. At that point, they typically tell the kids to get out and everyone walks through. This frees the security staff to inspect the stroller (they are instructed to NOT reach into the bottom of a stroller with a child in it). The point is that the mobility device must be inspected. If the child is unwilling or unable to exit, parents are told to lean the child forward in their seat to reveal anything behind them, and then asked to pull everything out of the storage area in the bottom of the stroller. With scooters, most folks are able to briefly exit and walk through the scanner on their own. If not, supervisors are specially trained to walk them through some steps to allow an inspection (of their person) while seated in their scooter. Parents typically grab infants and carry them through the scanning device, but honestly, in my experience, very few infants are brought into the parks. The security host/hostess' job is to ask the question (sir/ma'am, are you able to walk through the scanner on your own). If not, the alternate process is done (security supervisor performs an inspection). Mobility devices do NOT go through, hence the policy.

I’m not arguing there isn’t a policy that is followed in most cases. But there are obviously times where it isn’t followed, which is why some people here say their child was not expected to exit their stroller and they weren’t asked. And of course if someone is physically unable to move in a controlled fashion, eg: with cerebral palsy or Parkinson’s , presumably they simply get waived through.

Also I find it hard to believe CMs “tell the child to get out”? What if the child has a disability that means they don’t understand, can’t process information or cannot get out? Or if a child simply cries at some stranger telling them to get out.

 

[Chi84]

I’m not arguing there isn’t a policy that is followed in most cases. But there are obviously times where it isn’t followed, which is why some people here say their child was not expected to exit their stroller and they weren’t asked. And of course if someone is physically unable to move in a controlled fashion, eg: with cerebral palsy or Parkinson’s , presumably they simply get waived through.

Also I find it hard to believe CMs “tell the child to get out”? What if the child has a disability that means they don’t understand, can’t process information or cannot get out? Or if a child simply cries at some stranger telling them to get out.

I doubt they tell the child to “get out.” In my experience they speak to the parents/adults accompanying the child.

 

[nickys]

I doubt they tell the child to “get out.” In my experience they speak to the parents/adults accompanying the child.

Which is what I would expect. The wording in the post was very odd though, with some assumptions that I found “concerning”. I’ll leave it there though.

 

[iamgroot61]

I’m not arguing there isn’t a policy that is followed in most cases. But there are obviously times where it isn’t followed, which is why some people here say their child was not expected to exit their stroller and they weren’t asked. And of course if someone is physically unable to move in a controlled fashion, eg: with cerebral palsy or Parkinson’s , presumably they simply get waived through.

Also I find it hard to believe CMs “tell the child to get out”? What if the child has a disability that means they don’t understand, can’t process information or cannot get out? Or if a child simply cries at some stranger telling them to get out.

Children are not told to "get out." As I mentioned already, the security host/hostess tells the parent(s) that everyone must pass through the scanner. Parents instruct their children from there. Occasionally, a misbehaving child will, um, misbehave. In that case, the parent is asked to simply have the child lean forward so that portion of the stroller can be viewed and then the parent is asked to pull stuff from the bottom storage of the stroller so that can be inspected. This was the policy when I did this work last year at this time. I doubt it has changed. And nobody "gets waived through." Persons unable to pass through the scanner must have the "alternative process" applied. This involves a security supervisor having the guest manipulate their clothing in ways that would expose any hidden weapons. Frankly, I think security staff do an excellent job of getting guests through the process as quickly and efficiently (and effectively) as possible. Most staff are very friendly and most guests are very accommodating, but nobody's perfect.

 

[Raxel7851]

Children are not told to "get out." As I mentioned already, the security host/hostess tells the parent(s) that everyone must pass through the scanner. Parents instruct their children from there. Occasionally, a misbehaving child will, um, misbehave. In that case, the parent is asked to simply have the child lean forward so that portion of the stroller can be viewed and then the parent is asked to pull stuff from the bottom storage of the stroller so that can be inspected. This was the policy when I did this work last year at this time. I doubt it has changed. And nobody "gets waived through." Persons unable to pass through the scanner must have the "alternative process" applied. This involves a security supervisor having the guest manipulate their clothing in ways that would expose any hidden weapons. Frankly, I think security staff do an excellent job of getting guests through the process as quickly and efficiently (and effectively) as possible. Most staff are very friendly and most guests are very accommodating, but nobody's perfect.

Thank You for that first hand insight on what actually occurs @iamgroot61

 

[lewisc]

The Evolv machines don't do a good job detecting articles like knives.

The companies claims are, at best misrepresentations, and possibly fraudulent.

FTC Takes Action Against Evolv Technologies for Deceiving Users About its AI-Powered Security Screening Systems

The Federal Trade Commission is taking action against Evolv Technologies over allegations that the company made false claims about the extent to which its AI-powered security screening system can d

www.ftc.gov

Another study

Manchester Arena's weapon scanning tech questioned

Technology used in the Manchester Arena to find weapons has limitations, according to a report.

www.bbc.com

 

[nickys]

Thank You for that first hand insight on what actually occurs @iamgroot61

It’s what the policy apparently is. Not what actually happens all the time:

Strange, my child was not required to exit his stroller yesterday

DHS and Disney Springs, kiddo didn't get asked to at either place. We're going to Epcot later today and will pay more attention.


Probably the second, given that it's my wedding anniversary and somehow he also got a present.

Update, kiddo did not have to get out of his stroller at Epcot

 

[mkt]

Children are not told to "get out." As I mentioned already, the security host/hostess tells the parent(s) that everyone must pass through the scanner. Parents instruct their children from there. Occasionally, a misbehaving child will, um, misbehave. In that case, the parent is asked to simply have the child lean forward so that portion of the stroller can be viewed and then the parent is asked to pull stuff from the bottom storage of the stroller so that can be inspected. This was the policy when I did this work last year at this time. I doubt it has changed. And nobody "gets waived through." Persons unable to pass through the scanner must have the "alternative process" applied. This involves a security supervisor having the guest manipulate their clothing in ways that would expose any hidden weapons. Frankly, I think security staff do an excellent job of getting guests through the process as quickly and efficiently (and effectively) as possible. Most staff are very friendly and most guests are very accommodating, but nobody's perfect.

My personal experience completely goes against what the stated policy is then.

And I’m in the parks several times a week.

My son has never once been asked to leave the stroller, he’s just rolled through.

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

My personal experience completely goes against what the stated policy is then.

And I’m in the parks several times a week.

My son has never once been asked to leave the stroller, he’s just rolled through.