Say NO To Genie+ PETITION

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
IMHO, Nothing. The problem now is Disney doesn't offer Disney anymore. If you consider that Disney is charging now for things that 5-10 years ago Disney felt should be included in the guest experience, Then Universal is offering more than Disney.

What Universal can't offer you is nostalgic Disney. Of course, neither is the current Disney.

It's not the same company that I used to work for 10 years ago and that's a shame.
I think some of us are working with different definitions of Disney. Your definition is one centred on (perceived) value, which is fair enough, whereas mine is centred on the product itself. The product offered by Universal is of no interest to me. It doesn't matter how good a value it is; I simply have no use for it. The characters, songs, ambience, and experiences I want are only to be found at Disney.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Or - and hear me out - that’s a blatant strawman and the people arguing against you stopped going regularly (or at all) years and years ago AND aren’t singling anything out but are arguing against the greed and mismanagement of WDW and ALL its manifestations, from the SW Hotel to Boo Bash to Genie+.

And of course the SM petition has a lot of signatures - it’s culture war stuff, the lifeblood of much of the internet.
No, the people I'm talking about are here posting about all their trips. I would imagine people who stopped going years and years ago aren't posting here at all. I know people are different, but that would be an unlikely use of their time.
 

SteveAZee

Premium Member
I think some of us are working with different definitions of Disney. Your definition is one centred on (perceived) value, which is fair enough, whereas mine is centred on the product itself. The product offered by Universal is of no interest to me. It doesn't matter how good a value it is; I simply have no use for it. The characters, songs, ambience, and experiences I want are only to be found at Disney.
I like cucumbers but don't like zucchini. To me, it doesn't matter how much less expensive zucchini is compared to cucumber. If cucumbers get more and more expensive and there's only one place I can buy them, then I'll just have them less often.
 

matt9112

Well-Known Member
No one is forcing you to buy it and I've never had aps.

But theres no baseline option....were arguing about nothing here. Genie+ is not maxpass and is similar only in how you reserve lightning lane. Just like genie+ is similar to fastpass+ but alass not like fast pass plus.

Its going to depend on all the factors at play. If the take rate is low enough this is probably a win win if its too high its probably going to be a lesser experience than fastpass+
 

mysto

Well-Known Member
I don't understand trying to assign a "value" to WDW. Done right it's priceless.

"Disney is a business" "raise cost reduce service" "choose not to pay" "take my money elsewhere" "take rate" "no one forced you" "product offered"

eww
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
I don't understand trying to assign a "value" to WDW. Done right it's priceless.

"Disney is a business" "raise cost reduce service" "choose not to pay" "take my money elsewhere" "take rate" "no one forced you" "product offered"

eww
Whether something is good value or not should matter to all of us. No-one should be wasting their money on things that don't make them happy. What some people here fail to realise, however, is that value is very much in the eye of the spender, and that trying to convince others to see things your way is both fruitless and insulting.
 

GimpYancIent

Well-Known Member
I think some of us are working with different definitions of Disney. Your definition is one centred on (perceived) value, which is fair enough, whereas mine is centred on the product itself. The product offered by Universal is of no interest to me. It doesn't matter how good a value it is; I simply have no use for it. The characters, songs, ambience, and experiences I want are only to be found at Disney.
I whole heartedly agree Disney is famous / renowned for a special unique product. The problem that has developed and accelerated for the last decade, in particular, is the suicidal, self imposed cheapening in some cases elimination of that specialty, uniqueness, ambiance that set Disney aside from all the others. The value of Disney simply put is that it is not like the other entertainment venues yet the current Disney mind set is to cheapen itself, in the name of $$$$$$, to the lower level of all the others.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
I whole heartedly agree Disney is famous / renowned for a special unique product. The problem that has developed and accelerated for the last decade, in particular, is the suicidal, self imposed cheapening in some cases elimination of that specialty, uniqueness, ambiance that set Disney aside from all the others. The value of Disney simply put is that it is not like the other entertainment venues yet the current Disney mind set is to cheapen itself, in the name of $$$$$$, to the lower level of all the others.
Again, this is a matter of personal opinion. Do I like everything that Disney has done recently? Absolutely not. But do I think Disney is at risk of becoming Six Flags? Absolutely not.

The short of it is that we perceive the product differently. I feel it’s worth the money I pay for it, whereas you feel your dollars would be better spent elsewhere. Neither of us is wrong.
 
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Raineman

Well-Known Member
Throughout the threads here discussing Genie +, there seems to be one point that the "I like it, it's a better system, don't know why people are so against it" crowd does not understand. It's not necessarily the structure of the new system that are turning people off, it's the added cost of it. If they took the old included FP system, and just structured it like this new system, I'd be OK with it. Even having to use a boarding group for a few of the most popular attractions in each park wouldn't be completely horrible. But that fact that the cost of their WDW vacation will increase to use this system is a negative to alot of people. Some people can afford the $15 and the cost of the pay-per-ride attractions, some can't. If you're someone who says "I'm gonna use this, sounds good", then you are most likely someone that can absorb the extra $$.
 

aliceismad

Well-Known Member
I think some of us are working with different definitions of Disney. Your definition is one centred on (perceived) value, which is fair enough, whereas mine is centred on the product itself. The product offered by Universal is of no interest to me. It doesn't matter how good a value it is; I simply have no use for it. The characters, songs, ambience, and experiences I want are only to be found at Disney.
Agreed. DLR and WDW are still places I would happily go every 2-3 years. This involves getting on a plane and no fewer than 3-4 precious PTO days for WDW/2 for DLR. Universal I've done a handful of times and don't really have much desire to go back to. For me, Uni is not worth the PTO and plane trip. It's not that Uni is a bad product; it just holds much less appeal for me. It's ok for an add-on day if I have extra time in the Orlando/LA areas, but that's about the limit of my interest. I have a dear friend who never takes Disney trips, but they did make a trip to Florida and split it between beach and Uni. Uni was of more value and interest for them, which is great for them.

If/when I decide that DLR/WDW is no longer worth it, I won't replace it with Uni. I'll simply replace it with other vacation types.

Now if I lived in easy driving distance, perhaps that would be different because clearly Uni is the better value if you enjoy their product.
 

ChrisM

Well-Known Member
Throughout the threads here discussing Genie +, there seems to be one point that the "I like it, it's a better system, don't know why people are so against it" crowd does not understand. It's not necessarily the structure of the new system that are turning people off, it's the added cost of it. If they took the old included FP system, and just structured it like this new system, I'd be OK with it. Even having to use a boarding group for a few of the most popular attractions in each park wouldn't be completely horrible. But that fact that the cost of their WDW vacation will increase to use this system is a negative to alot of people. Some people can afford the $15 and the cost of the pay-per-ride attractions, some can't. If you're someone who says "I'm gonna use this, sounds good", then you are most likely someone that can absorb the extra $$.

Oh, they understand it. They just aren't as price sensitive as the folks who are against it (either because they can afford it, or are so addicted they will afford it, somehow).

It's mostly just both sides talking past one another. On the one side, it either breaks the actual or credulity bank - on the other the cost doesn't have an impression. And never the twain shall meet.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
Oh, they understand it. They just aren't as price sensitive as the folks who are against it (either because they can afford it, or are so addicted they will afford it, somehow).

It's mostly just both sides talking past one another. On the one side, it either breaks the actual or credulity bank - on the other the cost doesn't have an impression. And never the twain shall meet.
Actually, for a significant group (none of the regulars on these boards, as far as I can see), the price is an advantage - the more expensive something is, the more luxurious, the more it demonstrates individual financial success. Telling people you went to WDW once meant you were part of a large and comfortable middle class - increasingly, it means you have lots and lots of money. Conspicuous consumption.
 

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