Say NO To Genie+ PETITION

[DisneyDodo]

Because it operates like old fastpass and MaxPass. Because people can only get 1 at a time, not 3 in advance. And because not 100% of guests will purchase Genie+.

Mathematically, it is guaranteed that most attractions will be available for most of the day.
If every single guest selects Smuggler’s Run on Genie+ at 7am, it would book up for the day, but that would mean every other ride would still have early morning Genie+ availability in the early morning. And if guests actually spread their choices at DHS between Smuggler’s Run, RNR, TOT, TSM, Runaway Train… that would guarantee there would still be availability for all those attractions in the late morning, and again in the afternoon.



Nope. That’s mathematically wrong. At 9am, there would still be 10-11am availability at TOT. It would only be stretched to 2pm if approximately 7,000 guests had chosen TOT at their first pass. Maybe there will be 20,000 Genie+ users. Will 1/3rd select TOT at their first Genie+?? And if so, then there will be tons of availability on other attractions.

let’s look at first Genie+ selections at DHS, out of 20,000 users:
Assume:
Smuggler’s run: 6,000 — that would push the 2nd round return time to about 1pm
Runaway Train- 5,000– 2nd round available at about noon
TOT: 2,500 2nd round availability at about 11am
RNR: 2500: second round around 11am
TSM-2,000– second round available around 10am
saucers: 1,000– second round Genie+ available by 10am
Star Tours: 1,000- second round available by 10am

Since everyone can only book 1 at a time… there will be lots of availability through the day. It’s a mathematical certainty.

You seem to be operating under the assumption that Disney will allocate the same capacity to G+ that they did for FP+. We simply don't know that. It could be true, but they could also scale down the capacity to align with the decrease in number of guests using it, or even scale it down by a greater factor. Until we have the answer to that, we can't make any projections about availability.

 

[peter11435]

Islands of adventure opened in May 28, 1999. Animal kingdom opened April 22, 1998.

I am aware. That’s why I said around….. A year in theme park time is minuscule.

The point is that it’s impossible to claim that the slight (not significant) dip in attendance was the result of IOA when DAK was also still very new and causing guests to be redistributed across the Florida parks. And the fact that DAK had higher attendance than IOA each and every year further proves that IOA was not the primary cause of the slight attendance dip. DAK itself caused the slight dip at WDW just as IOA caused a larger dip at USO.

 

[LittleBuford]

I have only been to Universal once many years ago (Done with Disney), from what many posters are saying Universal gives you more bang for your buck so my next FL trip will be Universal see how it is.

It depends what you’re intending to get with your money. You can’t buy a Disney experience at Universal. The value is only good if you like what you’re paying for.

 

[havoc315]

You seem to be operating under the assumption that Disney will allocate the same capacity to G+ that they did for FP+. We simply don't know that. It could be true, but they could also scale down the capacity to align with the decrease in number of guests using it, or even scale it down by a greater factor. Until we have the answer to that, we can't make any projections about availability.

The beauty is they will have the ability to scale up and scale down the allocation to G+. They could scale it up as high as 80-90% if the demand is there.

Given people are now paying for the privilege, they will have every incentive to keep it running smoothly.

 

[DisneyDodo]

The beauty is they will have the ability to scale up and scale down the allocation to G+. They could scale it up as high as 80-90% if the demand is there.

Given people are now paying for the privilege, they will have every incentive to keep it running smoothly.

That’s possible, but we don’t really know. I believe the FP allocation in DL was significantly lower than in WDW despite some guests paying for MaxPass there (the service still ran smoothly due to DL’s lower attendance and higher ride capacity than WDW)

 

[eliza61nyc]

It depends what you’re intending to get with your money. You can’t buy a Disney experience at Universal. The value is only good if you like what you’re paying for.

And that's what many folks here can't or won't accept. It's the same premise when they say "stay off-site". I've been to Universal, had a good time but have zero interest in going back. I laugh when people try to explain much I could "save," if I stop staying onsite. Like I don't have access to Google.
Most folks that I know who go to Disney are well aware that they can also choose Universal, they see the commercials too.

 

[WDWTrojan]

That’s possible, but we don’t really know. I believe the FP allocation in DL was significantly lower than in WDW despite some guests paying for MaxPass there (the service still ran smoothly due to DL’s lower attendance and higher ride capacity than WDW)

Rarely were FP lines overflowing at Disneyland, whereas at Magic Kingdom they are often spilling out into the walkways.

 

[Oddysey]

To the OP

Nah

 

[Casper Gutman]

And that's what many folks here can't or won't accept. It's the same premise when they say "stay off-site". I've been to Universal, had a good time but have zero interest in going back. I laugh when people try to explain much I could "save," if I stop staying onsite. Like I don't have access to Google.
Most folks that I know who go to Disney are well aware that they can also choose Universal, they see the commercials too.

What does Disney offer that Universal doesn’t? What drives your decision?

 

[LittleBuford]

What does Disney offer that Universal doesn’t? What drives your decision?

It offers Disney. Surely you’re not going to claim that the two products are identical. I have absolutely no emotional attachment to anything at Universal, whereas Disney encapsulates so many things that make me happy, from songs I grew up with as a child to characters I still collect autographs from.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It offers Disney. Surely you’re not going to claim that the two products are identical. I have absolutely no emotional attachment to anything at Universal, whereas Disney encapsulates so many things that make me happy, from songs I grew up with as a child to characters I still collect autographs from.

Yup. I love Disney. I’ve been to WDW more then 60 times. At some time or other, I’ve gone with pretty much everyone I’ve been close to. I love Star Wars. I REALLY love Marvel. I think the MCU is, genuinely, a staggering achievement. My fondness for Disney has seriously impacted the choices I’ve made in my professional life.

And all of that makes me more incensed at the way management has been neglecting that tradition of excellence, exploiting nostalgia, and, in doing so, attempting to leverage something I love to exploit me. EPCOT used to be my favorite place in the world. That EPCOT, with World of Motion, Horizons, Journey into Imagination, lives on in my memory and heart. But the Epcot that I can visit now is a blasted wasteland - almost literally. A monument to greed and foolishness and indifference.

Universal properties don’t mean very much to me. I like the monsters, but the parks don’t utilize them much. Potter is fine. I’ve always found the Jurassic franchise very overrated. But what Universal offers is the things that CREATED my WDW nostalgia in the first place - a constantly growing, reasonably priced, artistically ambitious place where I can build memories with people that matter to me without being blatantly exploited.

Guests who return, again and again, to modern WDW because of nostalgia and fondness for the IPs are helping execs who care nothing for those memories or characters, who had nothing to do with creating or developing them, reduce them to grotesque tools to gouge people. It’s a violation of the very nostalgia that drives people back. The thing that makes Disney special is inside the guest. It is absent from WDW.

At the end of the day, Universal has the one element WDW has lacked for over a decade - they seem to be trying to create a pleasurable theme park. And that’s enough.

 

[eliza61nyc]

What does Disney offer that Universal doesn’t? What drives your decision?

Well first of all it's a preference in atmosphere
We don't like Harry Potter so while we had a good time it was not special for us and next, especially when our kids were younger (and still now that they are older,) we are not big roller coaster people. Lol after 20 years I still haven't rode Rocking rollercoaster. Lastly we really enjoyed the fireworks at each park. Universal offered nothing near illuminations.

Now I haven't been back to universal since potter land arrive so maybe they stepped up their game.
nostalgia doesn't really play a huge part in our decision past the last vacation. In my case that's a good thing, as I said before my first trip to wdw with my family as a small kid was a disaster. We thought it was over priced and not worth the cost or the long car ride down from NYC. Took my almost 30 years to go back.
We Base it on did we have a great trip the prior visit. Now I've also stated nostalgia will also not keep me coming, the minute I think wdw is not worth what I have to pay to travel how I want is when I stop going.

 

[LittleBuford]

Yup. I love Disney. I’ve been to WDW more then 60 times. At some time or other, I’ve gone with pretty much everyone I’ve been close to. I love Star Wars. I REALLY love Marvel. I think the MCU is, genuinely, a staggering achievement. My fondness for Disney has seriously impacted the choices I’ve made in my professional life.

And all of that makes me more incensed at the way management has been neglecting that tradition of excellence, exploiting nostalgia, and, in doing so, attempting to leverage something I love to exploit me. EPCOT used to be my favorite place in the world. That EPCOT, with World of Motion, Horizons, Journey into Imagination, lives on in my memory and heart. But the Epcot that I can visit now is a blasted wasteland - almost literally. A monument to greed and foolishness and indifference.

Universal properties don’t mean very much to me. I like the monsters, but the parks don’t utilize them much. Potter is fine. I’ve always found the Jurassic franchise very overrated. But what Universal offers is the things that CREATED my WDW nostalgia in the first place - a constantly growing, reasonably priced, artistically ambitious place where I can build memories with people that matter to me without being blatantly exploited.

Guests who return, again and again, to modern WDW because of nostalgia and fondness for the IPs are helping execs who care nothing for those memories or characters, who had nothing to do with creating or developing them, reduce them to grotesque tools to gouge people. It’s a violation of the very nostalgia that drives people back. The thing that makes Disney special is inside the guest. It is absent from WDW.

At the end of the day, Universal has the one element WDW has lacked for over a decade - they seem to be trying to create a pleasurable theme park. And that’s enough.

I respect your opinion and am glad Universal is offering you what you can no longer find at WDW. For me, however, it isn’t and cannot, because only Disney can satisfy my need for, well, Disney. I’ve made such culinary analogies before, but coffee—even the best coffee in the world—is never going to be a good alternative for someone who much prefers tea. Well, Disney is far and away, hands down my cup of tea, and it isn’t just nostalgia that keeps me going back: I continue to enjoy the product in its current form. I would simply be wasting my money if I spent it at Universal instead.

 

[LittleBuford]

we are not big roller coaster people. Lol after 20 years I still haven't rode Rocking rollercoaster.

This is a huge part of it for me. Space Mountain is my perfect thrill level. Most of the coasters at Univeral are far too intense for my liking.

 

[Casper Gutman]

This is a huge part of it for me. Space Mountain is my perfect thrill level. Most of the coasters at Univeral are far too intense for my liking.

I mean - Uni has three naked coasters that aren’t an integral part of the park experience. Their heavily-themed indoor coasters (and Hagrid) aren’t significantly worse then SM. The “Uni emphasizes thrill-coasters” is an outdated stereotype that’s been tossed about by Disney fans for a couple decades. At the moment, Uni is building far more non-thrill-coaster rides then WDW.

 

[LittleBuford]

I mean - Uni has three naked coasters that aren’t an integral part of the park experience. Their heavily-themed indoor coasters (and Hagrid) aren’t significantly worse then SM. The “Uni emphasizes thrill-coasters” is an outdated stereotype that’s been tossed about by Disney fans for a couple decades. At the moment, Uni is building far more non-thrill-coaster rides then WDW.

I don’t think it’s at all controversial to acknowledge that Disney has a lower ratio of thrill rides than Universal. For some (like me) that’s a bad thing; for others (including posters here paraphrasing their teenage children), it’s a point in favour of Universal. I’m happy to disagree on matters of taste, but I’m not going to accept that there isn’t a significant difference—for better or worse—between what the two resorts offer in terms of thrills.

 

[Cesar R M]

Disney be like to the complainers..

 

[Casper Gutman]

I don’t think it’s at all controversial to acknowledge that Disney has a lower ratio of thrill rides than Universal. For some (like me) that’s a bad thing; for others (including posters here paraphrasing their teenage children), it’s a point in favour of Universal. I’m happy to disagree on matters of taste, but I’m not going to accept that there isn’t a significant difference—for better or worse—between what the two resorts offer in terms of thrills.

But that’s… not really correct. When IOA opened in 1999, Uni had two looping, naked steel coasters. In the 22 years since then, they’ve added a total of one overall and replaced Dragons with Velocicoaster. Besides that, where precisely is the emphasis on thrills when compared to WDW? IOA, the more thrill-oriented of the two parks, has two world-class simulator dark rides, a free fall (like ToT (in type, not quality -ToT is a masterpiece)), a flume (like Splash), a rapids (like Kali), a screen-based dark ride (like Rat), a heavily-themed but mid-to-low thrill outdoor coaster (like BTMR), a Sfx show, a kid-oriented dark ride, and some spinners. So where’s the big difference in thrill focus?

The “oh, Uni is the teenage thrill park” is an old stereotype produced by the prominence of a few steel-looping coasters that can be skipped without missing much and Disney fans’ desire not to acknowledge that, more and more, Uni offers an experience comparable to WDW.

PS: And what are they building? WDW is dragging out construction of two indoor coasters and a screen-based dark ride. Uni is building another naked thrill-coaster - and at least two screen-based dark rides, a conventional dark ride, a trackless dark ride, a VR simulator, and a Broadway style show.

 

[LittleBuford]

Uni offers an experience comparable to WDW.

To you it does, to me it doesn’t.

You referred above to the importance of finding a theme park pleasurable. On that we agree. Pleasure, however, is entirely subjective: one man’s meat is another man’s poison. I’m perfectly willing to accept the validity of your feelings as they pertain to your tastes and your experiences, whereas you seem bent on telling me that my own preferences are wrong or baseless. I don’t understand that at all. Why should anyone be bothered that another person enjoys Disney over Universal, or vice versa?

 

[Casper Gutman]

To you it does, to me it doesn’t.

You referred above to the importance of finding a theme park pleasurable. On that we agree. Pleasure, however, is entirely subjective: one man’s meat is another man’s poison. I’m perfectly willing to accept the validity of your feelings as they pertain to your tastes and your experiences, whereas you seem bent on telling me that my own preferences are wrong or baseless. I don’t understand that at all. Why should anyone be bothered that another person enjoys Disney over Universal, or vice versa?

Because, as I said above, I (and many of the curmudgeons here) still love Disney and the heights WDW once reached. When I see people enabling what I view as the tasteless exploitation of the nostalgia I share and encouraging the resort’s ceaseless decline it destroys any glimmer of hope I have that WDW might one day return to being close to the place with which I fell in love.

I don’t think anyone is a bad person for going to WDW, and I would certainly never try to prevent folks from going in any manner other then good faith arguments on a message board. But on that opinion driven message board I’ll argue opinions. An old man yelling at clouds.