Say Cheese! Mickey Is catching you with Red Lights.

[flynnibus]

hrm... a photo is worth a thousand words kevin! get us some!

I think its pretty hard to confuse these... traffic cameras typically look nothing like the red light boxes.

They weren't confusing the cameras they put up on the pole where the lights are that they use to help time the lights are they? Many traffic control systems use small cameras pointed at the intersection's point to identify what traffic is waiting, etc.

 

[KevinYee]

Yes, those ^

"Traffic cams" was my shorthand because I didn't know what they do exactly - but they are on a pole above most of the lights.

 

[lazyboy97o]

^ So it sounds like you have to actually enter the intersection on a red (at minimum) to get a ticket. Fair enough.

Some jurisdictions have been caught trying to cheat motorists by citing people entering on yellow or significantly reducing the yellow so that drivers do end up entering on a red when before the camera they would have passed through during a yellow light.

All the road within Disney's property line are owned and maintained by WDW. They are defined as there own "city" and therefore the Orange County Sheriff's Office does not have jurisdiction over it.

Cities are not sovereign entities. They absolutely fall within the jurisdiction of county and state authorities.

 

[Master Yoda]

Good news!

Those cameras on Buena Vista Drive are not red light cameras. They are traffic cams (owned by Reedy Creek, I think) - much smaller than red light cameras. All the intersections in Central Florida with red light cameras that I have seen have a posted sign announcing the cameras - and those are not present on Disney property. Lastly, those cameras have been there for some weeks or months now. Maybe even years - they aren't new.

So unless I'm missing something, I think we're dealing with a tourist who visited for a vacation, saw the traffic cams, and drew the wrong conclusion.

So you are saying that some uninformed person posted false information on the internet and the general public took said information as fact and got all worked up over nothing? Bit of a stretch don't you think? Something like that never happens on the internet. :lol:

 

[unkadug]

So you are saying that some uninformed person posted false information on the internet and the general public took said information as fact and got all worked up over nothing? Bit of a stretch don't you think? Something like that never happens on the internet. :lol:

:lol:

This thread just died a quick death!

 

[KevinYee]

I should add the caveat that I didn't travel ALL of Buena Vista Dr - just World Drive over to Planet Hollywood. In that stretch, I saw those webcams-on-a-stick on just about every intersection, but no red light ticket cameras. So it is still possible that I didn't travel the right section of road.

 

[wdwmagic]

Good news!

Those cameras on Buena Vista Drive are not red light cameras. They are traffic cams (owned by Reedy Creek, I think) - much smaller than red light cameras. All the intersections in Central Florida with red light cameras that I have seen have a posted sign announcing the cameras - and those are not present on Disney property. Lastly, those cameras have been there for some weeks or months now. Maybe even years - they aren't new.

So unless I'm missing something, I think we're dealing with a tourist who visited for a vacation, saw the traffic cams, and drew the wrong conclusion.

Yep those have been there for years.

 

[Pioneer Hall]

So you are saying that some uninformed person posted false information on the internet and the general public took said information as fact and got all worked up over nothing? Bit of a stretch don't you think? Something like that never happens on the internet. :lol:

Good thing that can't possibly be the case in the parks for sale thread.

 

[Hoop Raeb]

It's funny though, there is one intersection at the Brandon Mall that regardless of the cameras people run the left turn lights no matter what...I think it has something to do with the fact that it takes you 20 minutes to get through the light no matter what day or time you're there. You'll seriously see the flash go off 6-7 times every time the light cycles!

I REALLY hate that light. It could be so simply fixed. Give the turn lane longer to turn. Easy right?

 

[Tater48]

I wonder if the original poster who submitted this to mouseplanet saw something like this, a red light camera:

Or maybe something like this, a traffic control camera:

If it was the first, it had to also have one of these before said camera:

I have seen these throughout Polk County, but I can't recall seeing any on Disney property. Not saying they aren't there, I just don't recall seeing any.

 

[gsimpson]

Don't only add to safety.

In the Phoenix area we have had various forms of red light cameras and speeding cameras for years, in fact the largest supplier of these devices, Red Flex, is based here and they are the ones who do "human review" of the pictures before recommending the issuing citations. Interestingly, the reason they started doing the human review is because they have a very high unreliability rating, and some judges started just routinely dismissing them for that reason. In Phoenix there was a bad side effect of these cameras, it caused a big spike in rear end collisions because as soon as the light turns yellow some people would slam on their brakes and screech to a stop. Yes I know that technically the blame is the person behind for following too close, not paying attention, and so on but the end result was still many many more rear enders which regardless of blame is still not a good thing. Personally I am not in favor of private companies being given law enforcement authority when their one and only motivation is profit (the vast majority of these systems are operated by 3rd parties and they have revenue splitting arrangements with the municipalities). For anyone who now wants to infer that I am a reckless driver who just doesn't like getting caught, I have a pristine driving record, no citations for decades (literally), and I do not run red lights and almost never speed.

 

[LordHelmut]

In Phoenix there was a bad side effect of these cameras, it caused a big spike in rear end collisions because as soon as the light turns yellow some people would slam on their brakes and screech to a stop. Yes I know that technically the blame is the person behind for following too close, not paying attention, and so on but the end result was still many many more rear enders which regardless of blame is still not a good thing.

Same here in the MD/DC/VA area.... In 20 years driving in the northeast (Phila to Boston) I was rear ended exactly zero times.

In 5 years in DC, nailed no less than 3 times to the point where it disabled the other vehicle, and bent the heck out of my trunk. The good news is that I am on my second hitch & drawbar... it tends to help slow the other car down w/o damaging mine....

 

[Martian Crab]

I wonder if they will, for a fee, sell you a souvenir picture of you breaking the law?

 

[flavious27]

Wouldn't this be a decision made by the county's pd.

 

[puntagordabob]

It always seems the powers that be whether it be Govt or whatever want to squeeze money out of you...and when enough is gone then they will take the blood too...

 

[Theosus]

So.... When you get to Disney world.... Just take off your license plate and put it in the trunk? I've only seen one cop there when there's no accident, and I drive a lot around the World so I don't have to do the bus thing.

Of course, I'm a sedate driver, I don't run red lights. And if I slam on brakes for a light and someone hits me, it sounds like that's their fault. My check might get hurt. Neck....my neck.

 

[Timon]

If anyone knows WHERE each red light camera intersection and speed trap location is, maybe they could post a list or map to all of us WDWMagic readers.

A NEW service feature on WDWMagic.com!!!

 

[unkadug]

If anyone knows WHERE each red light camera intersection and speed trap location is, maybe they could post a list or map to all of us WDWMagic readers.

A NEW service feature on WDWMagic.com!!!

Perhaps you didn't read the thread carefully enough... There are NO redlight cameras at WDW.

 

[s8film40]

All the road within Disney's property line are owned and maintained by WDW. They are defined as there own "city" and therefore the Orange County Sheriff's Office does not have jurisdiction over it. Disney has made a agreement to both the OCSO and the Florida Highway Patrol to assist them because they do not have their own police force. FHP is called to any traffic related incidents on property and OCSO is called for any other crimes, shoplifting, fights, creepy guys at Typhoon Lagoon etc.
OCSO and FHP can't patrol or conduct traffic stops (unless they witness a felony) because it's not in their jurisdiction. The only expection I've seen is along World Dr north between Vista and Timberline Dr during high CM shift-change times because of the amount of accident that have happened along that stretch including at least one fatal MVA.

As for the red light cameras they are a scam. To begin with the municipality that has them install does not keep all of the fine the violators pay. They only keep 50% of it. The other 50% goes to the Arizona company that installs them because the municipality does not own them but technically rents them. If you were to get pulled over by a deputy for the same violation you would receive a higher fine as well as more points. It is not right at all.

Actually you have that kind of backwards. Almost all of the roads on Disney property are in fact not owned by Disney at all. They are owned and maintained by RCID making them publicly owned roads. OCSO does indeed have jurisdiction over public roads within their county. Disney does not contract OCSO rather it is RCID who contracts for the patrol. They also recently built an OCSO office on site located next to the fire dept. at the east end of BV drive.

As far as red light camera go there is a Florida law that states that a traffic citation cannot be issued unless a police officer is physically present to witness the infraction. The way they get around this in Florida is the local government will create an ordinance/code saying you can't run red lights. Then you are issued a code violation when the camera catches you, but it is not in any way a traffic violation and cannot affect your driving record or license.

 

[flavious27]

If anyone knows WHERE each red light camera intersection and speed trap location is, maybe they could post a list or map to all of us WDWMagic readers.

A NEW service feature on WDWMagic.com!!!

Or update the wikimapia for the park.

Actually you have that kind of backwards. Almost all of the roads on Disney property are in fact not owned by Disney at all. They are owned and maintained by RCID making them publicly owned roads. OCSO does indeed have jurisdiction over public roads within their county. Disney does not contract OCSO rather it is RCID who contracts for the patrol. They also recently built an OCSO office on site located next to the fire dept. at the east end of BV drive.

Exactly, though I don't know about terming the OC Sheriff's Office as being contracted by RCID. The OC Sheriff's Office has jurisdiction over all of OC, like how the Florida Department of Law Enforcement has jurisdiction over the whole state of Florida. In reality the OC Sheriff's Office can setup any speed trap they want in the OC part of RDIC without the consent of Disney Co / RCID.

As for the red light cameras they are a scam. To begin with the municipality that has them install does not keep all of the fine the violators pay. They only keep 50% of it. The other 50% goes to the Arizona company that installs them because the municipality does not own them but technically rents them. If you were to get pulled over by a deputy for the same violation you would receive a higher fine as well as more points. It is not right at all.

The specific contract matters to each town, county, or state. In Delaware, deldot added the cameras and owns them. Also, it is fiscally irresponsibility for towns to give half of the fines away, these camera setups don't cost that much.