Sacrificial Lamb: the remaining classic WDW attractions

Expo_Seeker40

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
We've been told continually, perhaps even spoon-fed that anyone born since the 90s has a short attention span, is glued to a digital device, and maybe...just maybe was prescribed Ritalen from their family doctor.

I have a different take on this, particularly as someone, who works in advertising and there's a few spirited fanbois on here as well that work in "the industry" too that have seen the downfall of classic WDW related to Disney's spin on consumer wants and needs vs the reality of what consumers are experiencing.

The problem with how classic attractions are dealt with today and how they must be dealt with in the future isn't soley because of the way they were originally written or designed, the problem is two-fold:

1.) WDI and the overiding management are not capable of creating a new version of a classic attraction in the spirit of the original intent and instead chop at and erode the original version to help bring ridership capacity to each of the four WDW parks which are suffering from capacity issues.

and/or

2.) In some rare instances WDI and overriding management are capable of tasteful refurbs in the spirit of the original intent i.e. Haunted Mansion 2007 refurb and Hall of Presidents 2008 refurb, but are seen as rare moments of goodness in the same generation of Imagineers and management that brought us Imagination 2.0, the return of Captain EO with no plans for an entirely new film to replace it, the addition of Jack Sparrow and others to an attraction that becomes a hunt to find Jack Sparrow and destroys the original intent of the attraction to begin with, the same folks, who brought us The Enchanted Tiki Room Under New Management, the same folks, who can not create a budget to offer us a new fireworks show for Epcot or the Magic Kingdom, and the same folks, who cannot create a budget to refurb the Carousel of Progress, which in 2014 will be celebrating it's 50th anniversary and 20th anniversary of being the very same show we have watched since 1994.

Classic Attractions aren't always outdated by storyline per say. They are mostly outdated by technology.

We have seen how technology has helped attractions such as the Haunted Mansion, the updated 2007 animatronics for Spaceship Earth, and the digital star projections and galaxies that were added to Space Mountain a couple years ago that greatly improve the atmosphere of the attraction.

Yet, worse, is that nothing is done to improve on many of these attractions in their original intent.

While the Country Bear Jamboree now sports a refreshed theater, and fluid animatronics, the show has been edited down to be nothing more than a seemingly randomized performance from singing and dancing bears, gutting the entire intent and snarky dialogue of one big bear family.

The Enchanted Tiki Room 2.0, which many fans have agreed was more tastefully edited down by removing the Offenbach number, among a few other things, the problem is it's the same show from 1963 that predates the Magic Kingdom. No new Hawain or Polynesian songs have been added to create a new, but still in the spirit of the original show. Now new dialogue, etc.

The Carousel of Progress and the Jungle Cruise are the last classic attractions at the Magic Kingdom due for an upgrade. I'm mostly concerned for the Carousel of Progress, especially with Disney's track record of editing down and gutting out the story behind attractions.

Finally, regarding the current generation of guests...

While many of them rely on instant communication, digital experiences, and overall fun. An actual 3D in person experience is no substitute for a 2D experience. Out of home advertising and guerilla advertising have gained popularity and greater response from consumers over the last five years because most consumers live in a 2D world. They are more intrigued by things happening to them in person. From our computers to our mobile devices we are constantly clicking and sifting and texting and receiving flat spaced ads and experiences.

Disney was about immersion, but it can't be willing to be just immersion in a digital space. The way someone immerses themselves on Youtube or Facebook is not the same way someone immerses themselves on an attraction in a theme park.

Attractions don't need to be passive experiences, or all animatronic experiences, but for the few attractions that date back to the 60s and 70s that still remain, their goal must be to be maintained in top notch quality, to be offered the best in sound and light technology,and animatronic technology, as well as have the most creative minds and thoughtful management that can make sure tasteful story lines are either preserved or created in the spirit of the original attraction without creating a rushed, dumbed down experience for the sake of a turnstile click.
 

Clever Name

Well-Known Member
I disagree. I say gut the old attractions and replace them with new attractions. MK is turning into a musty museum. Take CoP as an example. The minute that CoP lost GE as its sponsor should have been the same day that Disney came up with a new attraction. The fundamental concept for all of Disney operations has always been to sell, sell, sell. They need to return to the basics and get rid of those old attractions and replace them with attractions upon which sponsors will pay to have their names displayed.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
No, they need to be reminded that great things can happen without sponsorship. And that that's the new corporate plan.

At nearly $100 each to get in they can well afford it too.


Some people love to deep-sea fish. You ever hear the plan to make CBJ into a hiphop venue?
 

Mot

Active Member
Don't gut CoP, move it to my backyard. I'm sure my neighbors won't mind!
I agree my wife would love it in ours. Here's a little pc. of history that takes you through most everyone's life span, that is alive today. Yes the ending scene needs to be tweaked for today but remembering the amazing gadgets and innovations that got you to today is great.
 

copcarguyp71

Well-Known Member
My dream is that they move CoP to the old WOL pavillion and reopen it as a whole new pavillion then repurpose that area in Tomorowland. It is just a dream but one that takes me to my happy place :D
 

pumpkin7

Well-Known Member
I'm thinking with CoP, it would be hard to cut it down, as it's all timed right, and they need that amount of time to get people out of the auditorium and back into it again.
Also it's covered in the fingerprints of Walt. It was one of his babies. CBJ wasn't, as far as I know he only saw the concept art and at that point the bears were going into a ski resort. So I'm hoing they will refresh CoP, show it some love, update the parts that look rubbish, but as a whole leave it alone.
 

Clever Name

Well-Known Member
No, they need to be reminded that great things can happen without sponsorship. And that that's the new corporate plan.

At nearly $100 each to get in they can well afford it too.
Great things are happening without corporate sponsorship. The yeti has been broken for years as one example. Do you think the yeti would languish in disrepair for all these years if Apple was the sponsor? I have always been amazed to see how quickly attraction quality diminishes as soon as a corporate sponsor decides not to renew. You can be sure that if Appliance Direct was the corporate sponsor of Expedition Everest, Sam Pak would have fixed the yeti by now.
 

GeorgiaPinesRJB

Well-Known Member
Great things are happening without corporate sponsorship. The yeti has been broken for years as one example. Do you think the yeti would languish in disrepair for all these years if Apple was the sponsor? I have always been amazed to see how quickly attraction quality diminishes as soon as a corporate sponsor decides not to renew. You can be sure that if Appliance Direct was the corporate sponsor of Expedition Everest, Sam Pak would have fixed the yeti by now.

Appliance Direct! I remember those commercials in Central Florida...oh good times! And isn't the thing with the yeti because the AA is part of the mountain superstructure and they need to shut down the whole ride to fix it? I don't think with a sponsor or not would change much.
 

GeorgiaPinesRJB

Well-Known Member
Back on point, I don't think CoP or Philharmagic are going anywhere...they're beloved classics. I know a lot of people liked SWSA because of the nostalgia factor...but I and no one else I know liked it. Just saying. I think it's different for CoP and Philharmagic. Besides, CoP only exist at WDW and Philharmagic was so popular, it got cloned to Tokyo and Hong Kong. I think they're safe. Imo.
 

wiigirl

Well-Known Member
Don't gut CoP, move it to my backyard. I'm sure my neighbors won't mind!
lol...sure! :p
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