Rumors of Tommorowland and 20k

ButtClown44

ButtClown44

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As most of what is said here is merely rumors, I'd like to keep with that tradition and post some rumors I've heard and see if anyone has heard anything similar and what they have to say?

1. Carousel of Progress? I've heard it may be moved to Tokyo or Hong Kong as they are much more fascinated with the American Family than we are and it would be a much bigger hit there.

2. Time Keeper going down? Rumor has it may close this summer for good and reopen eventually as a Back to the Future style (group) motion simulator that takes advantage of a 360 degree screen.

3. 20k Here I've heard so much. But all of it seems to revolve around quite a long time from now because the land there will need to settle if anything major will be built there. I have heard or 2 coasters, 1 for adults and 1 for kids side by side. I've heard it may be a Disney Villains theme or possibly Finding Nemo. Also, I heard it might be Harry Potter related because I'm sure Disney is just chomping at the bit to take advantage of their recent purchase.

I'm sure there is a lot more that but I can't think of too much more right now.
 
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martinthesparta

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Originally posted by ButtClown44
As most of what is said here is merely rumors, I'd like to keep with that tradition and post some rumors I've heard and see if anyone has heard anything similar and what they have to say?

1. Carousel of Progress? I've heard it may be moved to Tokyo or Hong Kong as they are much more fascinated with the American Family than we are and it would be a much bigger hit there.

2. Time Keeper going down? Rumor has it may close this summer for good and reopen eventually as a Back to the Future style (group) motion simulator that takes advantage of a 360 degree screen.

3. 20k Here I've heard so much. But all of it seems to revolve around quite a long time from now because the land there will need to settle if anything major will be built there. I have heard or 2 coasters, 1 for adults and 1 for kids side by side. I've heard it may be a Disney Villains theme or possibly Finding Nemo. Also, I heard it might be Harry Potter related because I'm sure Disney is just chomping at the bit to take advantage of their recent purchase.

I'm sure there is a lot more that but I can't think of too much more right now.
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1. I've never heard that before. I heard that it might move to Epcot, but I like the contrast it has with the other tommorrowland attarctions. It fits and it doesn't. I would miss it terribly if it went over seas.

2. The only rumor I have heard about this is a bumper cars attraction where you ride in the aliens from toy story and a giant crane trys to pick you.

3. I think the whole villian thing is a mutated rumor that got loose and refuses to return to it's cage. Will never happen, I don't care what anybody says. There would be too much over lap. What would work would be if disney sea becomes the 5th gate eventually per my theory and they put a villian land there. It would be perfect, with a almost complete lack of disney characters in attractions, there would be little to no overlap. Finding nemo i heard would be the new theme for the sub ride in DL. And I hope potter goes to MGM. As for what kind of attaractions, I heard one e ride and two smaller rides. the TDS version of 20k is the obvious pick in my mind for the spot, maybe in conjunction with mermaid lagoon which has also been rumored for the spot, but if DS is the 5th gate 20k can go there, mermaid lagoon in MK, and villian land in DS instead.

Anothger rumor I keep hearing for some reason although no one else seems to is that the tommorrowland speedway will move to epcot by TT, and the empty space will be used for a tron 2.0 lightcycles attraction utilizing technology simular to rocket rods. How they would do those sharps turs I don't know. The only place I've really haven't heard it is here, and no one else here has heard it either, so someone's probally pulling my chain, but I like the idea regardless. There was also talk one time of using the space where the skyway building is, but for what I don't know.
 
ButtClown44

ButtClown44

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As I said above, all of the above were merely rumors I have heard from people from all around. There is nothing official about any of this, just fun to imagine what could be.
 
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General Grizz

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Originally posted by ButtClown44
1. Carousel of Progress? I've heard it may be moved to Tokyo or Hong Kong as they are much more fascinated with the American Family than we are and it would be a much bigger hit there.
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No. Carousel of Progress does NOT leave America.

That's wrong. Duplicate it? Sure. But you don't do that.

Originally posted by ButtClown44
2. Time Keeper going down? Rumor has it may close this summer for good and reopen eventually as a Back to the Future style (group) motion simulator that takes advantage of a 360 degree screen.
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Hmmm. . . I wish there were more room. :eek:
 
BalooChicago

BalooChicago

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Originally posted by ButtClown44
3. 20k Here I've heard so much. But all of it seems to revolve around quite a long time from now because the land there will need to settle if anything major will be built there.
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There is no such need. First, it will likely be filled with engineered fill, even with that, you never build a structures foundation on "touched" soil. The foundations typically go to "untouched" soil or whatever stable ground is selected based on the geotechnical analysis. (Some times all the way to bedrock)
 
Shaman

Shaman

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Re: Re: Rumors of Tommorowland and 20k

Originally posted by martinthesparta
Anothger rumor I keep hearing for some reason although no one else seems to is that the tommorrowland speedway will move to epcot by TT, and the empty space will be used for a tron 2.0 lightcycles attraction utilizing technology simular to rocket rods.
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Ok...I like the moving the speedway to Epcot near Test Track idea (fits with the theme of the pavilion and adds another attraction for the kiddies at Epcot)...but Tron in the huge space at MK....uh...NO....

The question becomes what would make the best transition between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland. I would love for Disney to look outside their movie library and come up with an original concept for a ride, ala AE...I mean its easier to just go with a concept from a movie...but I think that a new attraction with a totally original story is passed due....Just my opinion...

:D
 
speck76

speck76

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This is just my opinion, but I think it is pretty valid.

After how much money Disney spent on Alien Encounter, only to close it 8 years later (shame) because it was too scary, I don't think MK will ever put a ride in that would be gear towards adults only.

Isn't MK still "DRY"? If they are, they are not out to attract the ppl that would ride a "adults-only" rollercoaster.

Although any new attraction put in should be great, you will never see an Adults-only rollercoaster in the MK.
 
jrriddle

jrriddle

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Re: Re: Re: Rumors of Tommorowland and 20k

Originally posted by objr
Ok...I like the moving the speedway to Epcot near Test Track idea (fits with the theme of the pavilion and adds another attraction for the kiddies at Epcot)...but Tron in the huge space at MK....uh...NO....

The question becomes what would make the best transition between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland. I would love for Disney to look outside their movie library and come up with an original concept for a ride, ala AE...I mean its easier to just go with a concept from a movie...but I think that a new attraction with a totally original story is passed due....Just my opinion...

:D
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I totally agree with you.
The speed way (as Jr. Autopia) belongs at Test Track.
And the transition from Tomorrowland and Fantasyland needs to be a smooth one.
My favorite idea is a combination of DLP's Discoveryland, TDS's Mysterious Island and the unbuilt Discoverybay.
This would be the literal blending of Science Fiction and Fantasy.
 
dxwwf3

dxwwf3

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Originally posted by speck76
After how much money Disney spent on Alien Encounter, only to close it 8 years later (shame) because it was too scary, I don't think MK will ever put a ride in that would be gear towards adults only.

Isn't MK still "DRY"? If they are, they are not out to attract the ppl that would ride a "adults-only" rollercoaster.

Although any new attraction put in should be great, you will never see an Adults-only rollercoaster in the MK.
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Yes you are absolutely correct. That is really sad that there are some people that can't handle an adult attraction at the Magic Kingdom.

I don't exactly see the correlation between thrill rides and alcohol :lol: . It's hard for me to see that those two go hand in hand. I am glad that they do not sell it in the MK and I wish it was not sold anywhere in the parks, but that is just my personal opinion. (BTW I know the point you were trying to make there, I just found it funny)

And again you are probably right. I think Expedition Everest would've been great in the 20K spot (I do not know if it could've been built there and yes AK needs the attraction MUCH more). I'm just saying that it would've been a nice addition to the MK mountain range.
 
dxwwf3

dxwwf3

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Rumors of Tommorowland and 20k

Originally posted by jrriddle
And the transition from Tomorrowland and Fantasyland needs to be a smooth one.
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IMO, I think we are seeing a transition from Tomorrowland TO ANOTHER Fantasyland. With Buzz, Stitch, and a possible bumper car replacement for TK (My gosh I hope there is no truth to that) it is becoming clear to me that soon Tomorrowland should just have a name change to "Fantasyland East" :lol: . That's not necessarily a bad thing to some people, but it really does make me sad. I long for the way Tomorrowland was in 1995, but I guess it just wasn't ment to last.
 
yellowrocket

yellowrocket

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Has anybody heard anything about Carousel of Progress being donated to the Smithsonian? It's probably just a rumor, but on the other hand, its something that I haven't heard before.

The rumor goes like this... The Smithsonian is preparing a 40th anniversay exhibit on the 1964-1965 World's Fair. Said rumor states that Disney is either loaning them the Carousel of Progress show (the inner working, not the theatre) or donating it to the museum for the exhibit. The exhibit is supposed to open next year sometime. The rumor also mentions that Mr. Lincoln may be on loan to the museum, as well, along with a program of his original show. It makes sense. The Main Street Opera House at Disneyland will be occupied for the 50th Exhibit. They are, afterall, 2 of the 4 attractions that are still in existance from the fair.

Don't take it seriously though. It's just a rumor. I work for an engineering firm that works with WDI and Disney Development on some projects. I only heard it at the water cooler and haven't seen any documents to back it up. Even the guy that told me the story said it was probably a rumor. Still... interesting.
 
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joesauctionsale

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20000 leagues

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martinthesparta

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Re: Re: Re: Rumors of Tommorowland and 20k

Originally posted by objr
Ok...I like the moving the speedway to Epcot near Test Track idea (fits with the theme of the pavilion and adds another attraction for the kiddies at Epcot)...but Tron in the huge space at MK....uh...NO....

The question becomes what would make the best transition between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland. I would love for Disney to look outside their movie library and come up with an original concept for a ride, ala AE...I mean its easier to just go with a concept from a movie...but I think that a new attraction with a totally original story is passed due....Just my opinion...

:D
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Valid point. I too like the idea of original attractions, however tron (especially tron 2.0) is obsolutely perfect for an attarction. It is visually stunning, has on amazing story, and would provide state of the art technology. As far as transition, you could easily make an entrance for it on the side near space mountain, and mask what ever part of the show building you need to with trees and other buildings on the fantasyland side of things. WDWI can always find ways around minor details such as transition between lands. In addition, although tron has a definete cult following, many people probally wouldn't be familiar with it being a movie and a pc game, much like Splash mountain or the fact that the movie African queen was used as inspiration for jungle cruise. Also, I just want something original that is not currently in any other park. Tron is just way over due. And you could even create a whole new story for the attaraction based on the tron universe.
 
Bill

Bill

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Originally posted by ButtClown44
As most of what is said here is merely rumors, I'd like to keep with that tradition and post some rumors I've heard and see if anyone has heard anything similar and what they have to say?

1. Carousel of Progress? I've heard it may be moved to Tokyo or Hong Kong as they are much more fascinated with the American Family than we are and it would be a much bigger hit there.

2. Time Keeper going down? Rumor has it may close this summer for good and reopen eventually as a Back to the Future style (group) motion simulator that takes advantage of a 360 degree screen.

3. 20k Here I've heard so much. But all of it seems to revolve around quite a long time from now because the land there will need to settle if anything major will be built there. I have heard or 2 coasters, 1 for adults and 1 for kids side by side. I've heard it may be a Disney Villains theme or possibly Finding Nemo. Also, I heard it might be Harry Potter related because I'm sure Disney is just chomping at the bit to take advantage of their recent purchase.

I'm sure there is a lot more that but I can't think of too much more right now.
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Umm, maybe I missed something, but when did Disney buy Harry Potter?!?!!:hammer:

As for the others, I think you're wrong. In fact, 2 coasters going in doesn't seem correct either...
 
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General Grizz

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Jr. Autopia was presented on Jim Hill's site, and from what I last hear, it hasn't gone too far.

Test Track doesn't need an Autopia. I'll cringe when I see it open.

You know why? Test Track needs a POST SHOW. And, before they intend to open a kid's ride, they need to reopen the upstairs IMAGE WORKS . . . if they're not willing to pay the insurance for a memorable, family, and truly Disneyesque experience, why would they pay to move the Speedway? It's all a sign in priorities, and while the idea isn't a bad one per se, I just don't want to see it happen when Test Track itself is disrepaird.

Heck, slap together Bird and Robot and put area music in the post-show. Or something. It's ridiculous. Why did they change the post show in the first place?! :brick:

Anyway. Carousel of Progress Rumor - - I'm assuming because it would be too expensive to bring back, Disney, if loaning it to the Smithsonian, would leave it there. . . and I hate the risk of that. Now, if Disney sent these sets and reconstructed a new Carousel of theatre and new animatronics ready to roll in a few years at Walt Disney World, THEN I wouldn't mine the Smithsonian deal. Carousel of Progress is a living tribute, not an artifact.

Oh there's a great big beautiful tomorrow. . .
 
Bill

Bill

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:notices Grizz doesn't comment on anything Harry Potter related:

Maybe it's for the best... :lol:

:walks away:
 

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