Rumored Nemo ride previews

[Justin Jones]

Even the skin that Disney uses, which is made with a hot rubber mold injection process, is resistant to both water and oil.

 

[peter11435]

The underwater figures do not have to be sealed; it is perfectly okay to expose the metallic mechanical understructure, the fluid power components, and the hose that supplies the figures with air/hydraulic oil to the water!:brick:

While I can't say for sure I have a hard time believing that to be true.

 

[Justin Jones]

While I can't say for sure I have a hard time believing that to be true.

A perfect example of using an animatronic figure underwater can be found in Jusrrasic Park III. Look at the following the link.
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/animatronic1.htm


In regards to the spinosaurus in Jurassic III (quoted from the given link):

"It is powered entirely by hydraulics, even down to the blinking of the eyes. This is because the creature was made to work above and below water."

 

[peter11435]

A perfect example of using an animatronic figure underwater can be found in Jusrrasic Park III. Look at the following the link.
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/animatronic1.htm


In regards to the spinosaurus in Jurassic III (quoted from the given link):

"It is powered entirely by hydraulics, even down to the blinking of the eyes. This is because the creature was made to work above and below water."

The difference is that Dino did not have to work repeatedly each and every day for years. It only had to work once. While it is entirely possible to build animatronics to work under water (Disney has done it numerous times) that does not mean they are not problematic. I am not saying it is not possible. Just that I highly doubt Disney will ever do it again given the problems they now know exist.

 

[Justin Jones]

My initial contribution to this thread was to clarify some confusion about how Disney's animatronic figures operate. It appeared to me you were claiming that audio-animatronic figures could not work under water because of the electronic components. I was simply stating that the electronics/valves/wires would never even be submerged -- only the mechanical structure, hydraulic hose, and actuators. Ultimately, I'm saying that it is completely possible to create lifelike AAs that live under water, especially with today's advances in mechanical engineering (you have to remember that the Jungle Cruise was originally built in the 50s, quite awhile ago).

 

[peter11435]

My initial contribution to this thread was to clarify some confusion about how Disney's animatronic figures operate. It appeared to me you were claiming that audio-animatronic figures could not work under water because of the electronic components. I was simply stating that the electronics/valves/wires would never even be submerged -- only the mechanical structure, hydraulic hose, and actuators. Ultimately, I'm saying that it is completely possible to create lifelike AAs that live under water, especially with today's advances in mechanical engineering (you have to remember that the Jungle Cruise was originally built in the 50s, quite awhile ago).

My point was mainly related to the problems they had with AA's in 20,000 Leagues as well as the problems with Universals AA at Jaws and Jurrasic Park. While they can be built for underwater, and will work underwater. They usually have a large amount of problems.

 

[Justin Jones]

My point was mainly related to the problems they had with AA's in 20,000 Leagues as well as the problems with Universals AA at Jaws and Jurrasic Park. While they can be built for underwater, and will work underwater. They usually have a large amount of problems.

20,000 = old technology
Universal = animatronics that don't compare to Disney's (for entertainment or enginering value)

Underwater animatronics built today = more advanced technology/less maintenance

 

[mousermerf]

An example of Disney AA with Water is UOE - they removed the rain effect because it was destroying the dinos.

Those are younger than Jungle Cruise and in 1996 (only 10 years ago) they gave up on the water with complex animatronics during the rehab. The diorama is short SEVERAL figures from the old version because they were ruined by the constant rain falling the the scenes.

Also - if someone wants to find a link for it - in the thread counting down to Living Seas closure, there are articles about the problems with creating the underwater enviroment.

In short, the water at LS is very very destructive. An engineering team won awards for getting the place back on track and to keep it from self destructing. Ion removers in the tank are something i recall, but the articles also mentioned that even the solid concrete will eventually be eaten away by sea water - it's simply that harsh of an enviroment naturally.

You can see the pock-marks of this action in the LS tanks btw.

Also, the Living Seas did have show scenes within the tank itself, so it's not unheard of. They were minor, used some bubble effects and some props to create the idea of a sunken treasure. No animatronics though - which is considered odd for Epcot which has several in all it's original attractions.

 

[Justin Jones]

An example of Disney AA with Water is UOE - they removed the rain effect because it was destroying the dinos.

Those are younger than Jungle Cruise and in 1996 (only 10 years ago) they gave up on the water with complex animatronics during the rehab. The diorama is short SEVERAL figures from the old version because they were ruined by the constant rain falling the the scenes.

Also - if someone wants to find a link for it - in the thread counting down to Living Seas closure, there are articles about the problems with creating the underwater enviroment.

In short, the water at LS is very very destructive. An engineering team won awards for getting the place back on track and to keep it from self destructing. Ion removers in the tank are something i recall, but the articles also mentioned that even the solid concrete will eventually be eaten away by sea water - it's simply that harsh of an enviroment naturally.

You can see the pock-marks of this action in the LS tanks btw.

Also, the Living Seas did have show scenes within the tank itself, so it's not unheard of. They were minor, used some bubble effects and some props to create the idea of a sunken treasure. No animatronics though - which is considered odd for Epcot which has several in all it's original attractions.

What does this have to do with my original point that all (almost) of Disney's audio-animatronics -- from simple A1s to complex A100s -- use either pneumatic or hydraulic power?

 

[1disneydood]

I HONESTLY think that underwater Nemo AA's would look even dumber than the air powered skeletons and divers you see in tacky decorated aquaruims. If they put in AA's, I hope they move the real aquatic life to a realistic enviornment.

A TRUE aquarist would leave the aquatic life in nature where they belong. Now a half __ aquarist with good intentions and insistance of keping aquatic life, in an open or closed system outside of their natral enviornment, would attempt to recreate specific conditions that are encountered in the wild for the various species. If WDW puts "cute and cuddely" or "tacky" decorations in their marine enviornment that would make TLS third rate IMO(as an avid saltwater aqarist) and totally ruin the once largest public aquarium in the US.

I'm all for a Nemo ride but please keep the plastic junk out of the system.:brick:

 

[WDWFantasmic]

Um... what?



But economically, does it make sense to invest all the money to make water-proof AAs when it could have been avoided? I don't think so.



Please point out where I have "put someone down."



Possibly...



Again, I have no idea what you mean.

Good comeback...:lol:

 

[ddank]

aquarium enthusiasts know how difficult it is to keep a stable balanced environment for aquatic life to live. I dont think animatronics are really an option because of the risk they could present to the sealife. all this talk of oil and grease is not good for the ph levels im sure

 

[Wbnemo1]

Howdy,
Here's my 2 cents as relates to the attactions I know. Jungle cruise and 20k used bursts of air pressure to "animate" their figures for a "cycle"../Hippos, lions tigers and.....well you get the idea. Jungle still does...there is no hydrolic fluids involved with these.thererfore underwater effects no trouble at all. Now as to the Seas, it would't be feasiable to use animatronc figures because......hydraulic fluids can eventually obtain leaks in the hoses. They can't afford for this nor would i think a conservation minded company like Disney stand or take the chance of , damaging of the "Real " aquatic life in these tanks, these fluids perhaps could do more harm than good...in a nut shell.....our underwater effects seem air driven ( pneumatic) whereas our dry figures(hall of presidents)...ohh, no.... wait, those are highly paid actors.... are hydraulic


Best,
William

 

[shamu4452608]

So What Is It Like Going To Be Like The Seacabs Ride

 

[wdwmagic]

As for my speculation about them using the projections. I am almost certain they will be using them as they have invested a good amount of money in developing them for Disneyland Sub lagoon and their new Nemo attraction. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or even a fool on the Internet to figure out that Disney would likely use the same technology on both attractions being as they are both being developed and built at the same time with the same theme. It is not that hard to understand why Disney might clone the technology.

I would agree that projections are the likely way this will go. They are also being deployed in the new Nemo attraction currently under contruction at Disneyland Paris, Walt Disney Studios. It seems Disney are getting a lot of milage out of the Nemo projection system.

 

[JimboJones123]

My initial contribution to this thread was to clarify some confusion about how Disney's animatronic figures operate. It appeared to me you were claiming that audio-animatronic figures could not work under water because of the electronic components. I was simply stating that the electronics/valves/wires would never even be submerged -- only the mechanical structure, hydraulic hose, and actuators. Ultimately, I'm saying that it is completely possible to create lifelike AAs that live under water, especially with today's advances in mechanical engineering (you have to remember that the Jungle Cruise was originally built in the 50s, quite awhile ago).

besides that -- how lifelike do animated fish need to be??? i mean, they may move their mouths, eyes, and tails -- besides that -- no fingers -- no eyebrows -- no arms -- no chest heaves -- should be pretty simple -- that is why the fish work so well in the movie. they don't move much -- but just enough.

 

[Epcot82Guy]

Howdy,
Here's my 2 cents as relates to the attactions I know. Jungle cruise and 20k used bursts of air pressure to "animate" their figures for a "cycle"../Hippos, lions tigers and.....well you get the idea. Jungle still does...there is no hydrolic fluids involved with these.thererfore underwater effects no trouble at all. Now as to the Seas, it would't be feasiable to use animatronc figures because......hydraulic fluids can eventually obtain leaks in the hoses. They can't afford for this nor would i think a conservation minded company like Disney stand or take the chance of , damaging of the "Real " aquatic life in these tanks, these fluids perhaps could do more harm than good...in a nut shell.....our underwater effects seem air driven ( pneumatic) whereas our dry figures(hall of presidents)...ohh, no.... wait, those are highly paid actors.... are hydraulic


Best,
William

That was my question. Regardless of whether animatronics and water mix, I am almost certain that animatronics and sea life do NOT mix in a safe way,

 

[Huge Dreamer]

On small problems with any type of AA in the living seas is that the living seas is a sea and the water is salt water.

 

[Huge Dreamer]

As far as making under water AA that is not much of a problem. The problem is making them to last. Water by itself is corrosive added with all water used in the theme park industry put chlorine or other chemicals to prevent bacteria and algae from growing.