Rumored incident at Disney Springs??

[bethymouse]

I have personally done some target shooting. I live in the middle of a redneck BFE portion of Ohio, and I hear people shooting off guns a lot. I can tell you that in my neck of the woods, gunfire rarely consists of one shot, so its identity and location aren't too difficult to verify. If, however, there was a loud, sharp noise that only occurred once in an area where gunfire could potentially be a bigger problem than a bunch of drunken idiots during deer season, I can see how confusion might occur.
Also, the comments above about the unreliability of eyewitness accounts are entirely correct. No matter how intelligent or well-meaning a person may be, our memories are more faulty and easily influenced than most people realize.

Some gunshots sound like firecrackers! We were in rehearsal one evening, and heard the sounds. Someone went outside to investigate. Sure enough, 5 minutes later the police came. The police escorted us to our cars, and there were casings all over the street! Scary!

 

[Figments Friend]

I've always kind of wondered what happens in these situations where a restaurant is evacuated. If I were finished with a meal certainly the right thing to do would be to return and pay. What would be the correct thing to do if you were say half finished or had just had appetizers?

I would absolutely return and attempt to pay. However, it would not surprise me in the least if restaurant management comped the meals of the people who did try and return. Even if that were the case, I would still insist on getting a tip to whomever my server was.

These comments remind me of a experience I recently had this past August when I visited Disneyland out in sunny California.
I made time to enjoy a meal at one of my favorite dining spots , Cafe Orleans, one fine late afternoon.
Most of the seating is located outside, and they had full tables that day.
I was just about done with my meal when all of a sudden most of the waitstaff started going around to the tables and telling everyone we had to evacuate the area ASAP.
It was done in a calm way, table by table, likely to avoid freaking people out and fueling a possible panic....but it was still a experience that was a bit of a jolting surprise in that serene setting.

I was told to basically drop what I was doing and leave right now.
I was also told by my server I had two choices -
Drop everything and walk away, and don't worry about payment for my meal.
Or...
Come back once Guests are allowed back in and have a fresh plate brought out of whatever I had ordered.
Something I thought about once vacating as instructed and left standing under the trees in the walkway.

For those familiar with Disneyland, the entire area of New Orleans Sq. from POTC to the French Market was cleared of Guests that afternoon.
Club 33 I believe was emptied too.
A bit surreal to experience in this setting, for sure, but it was handled well.
Later on I found out it was some type of kitchen fire that triggered the evac, but I have no real way of knowing for certain.

In the end, I will confess I took Option #1 and walked after hanging around the area for about 30 minutes.
I felt really bad leaving without leaving my server a tip...but in the confusion there was no opportunity.
I had for the most part finished my small meal and my server had encouraged Option #1.
There were several Guests around me at others tables who were just beginning theirs and were fairly miffed they had to leave their tables.
Even saw a couple try to reach over the outdoor seating areas' railings to try to grab some of their food while waiting for word to come that we could all be let back in.


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[Victor Kelly]

It is not BS. This was also used to practice what you might do during a school lockdown with an active shooter inside the building!

BS. No officer worth his badge would discharge a firearm inside a school just to teach what a gun sounds like. Nor would any responsible civilian. If they did, then the police or civilians are idiots that have 0 right to possess, carry, or own a firearm.

Sorry Betty, as a person with 30 years of firearms experience, tactical training, close combat training, and having actually been in a gunfight, your statements are utterly false. You descriptions of gunfire are false and based more on conjecture and what others have probably told you. With your statements, I doubt you have ever been around a firearm being discharged.

A .45 discharged in a hallway sounds like a book dropping? Come on. There is a reason we wear ear protection when practicing, Inside and outside. Even repeated firing of a .22 can damage your hearing. Having hundreds of hours in both indoor and outdoor ranges, inside a hallway you will not only have the concussive noise and concussion wave of the discharge but also the echo and reverberation of said discharge. This happens even even in 50 yard long ranges where they are equally as wide.

Then we have the shotgun, which if discharged in a confined area can make your teeth rattle. Horsepucky!

Then blanks? Come on really?

Practicing what you might do during an active shooter does not involve discharge of firearms. It involves practicing the response to said active shooter. Where to go, what to do. Do you leave the building if close to an exit, Where to shelter in place, how to shelter in place, who to contact. You keep up the practice until the response is automatic.

In comparison, preparing for a lethal confrontation involves practice, practice, practice. Repetitive practice saves your life, so your response to a threat is automatic. Muscle memory, thought processes, physical and mental responses to various stimuli. Professionals practice with discharging firearms.

Anyone remember duck and cover? Useless right? Yes and no. It was feel good stuff. But it is an example of teaching to get a learned response in an emergency. Same with fire drills. The repetition allows for mild panic only, but the kids know what to do and how to do it uniformly across the board. Do you teach them by starting a fire? No. Do you teach them by using smoke pots? No. Likewise you would not teach them by discharging a firearm. This is why I call BS.

 

[s8film40]

BS. No officer worth his badge would discharge a firearm inside a school just to teach what a gun sounds like. Nor would any responsible civilian. If they did, then the police or civilians are idiots that have 0 right to possess, carry, or own a firearm.

I think you might want to go back and read the article. It wasn't just one officer it's a program. I'm not sure who started or ran it but it looks like the local authorities as well as the FBI were involved in it. You've got a lot of badges to go collect. I guess you can disagree with the program if you want but you can't call it BS it did apparently actually happen.

 

[flynnibus]

Sorry Betty, as a person with 30 years of firearms experience, tactical training, close combat training, and having actually been in a gunfight, your statements are utterly false

All that and still lacking reading comprehension... no wonder there are still so many gun accidents. @bethymouse is one of the most consistent, honest posters here... on top of that, you've just ignored the newspaper coverage of the same event, and THREE accounts of it.
But your training trumps all...

(because you couldn't read they weren't firing the rounds in the room or NEAR the people in the program...)

 

[Prince-1]

BS. No officer worth his badge would discharge a firearm inside a school just to teach what a gun sounds like. Nor would any responsible civilian. If they did, then the police or civilians are idiots that have 0 right to possess, carry, or own a firearm.

Sorry Betty, as a person with 30 years of firearms experience, tactical training, close combat training, and having actually been in a gunfight, your statements are utterly false. You descriptions of gunfire are false and based more on conjecture and what others have probably told you. With your statements, I doubt you have ever been around a firearm being discharged.

A .45 discharged in a hallway sounds like a book dropping? Come on. There is a reason we wear ear protection when practicing, Inside and outside. Even repeated firing of a .22 can damage your hearing. Having hundreds of hours in both indoor and outdoor ranges, inside a hallway you will not only have the concussive noise and concussion wave of the discharge but also the echo and reverberation of said discharge. This happens even even in 50 yard long ranges where they are equally as wide.

Then we have the shotgun, which if discharged in a confined area can make your teeth rattle. Horsepucky!

Then blanks? Come on really?

Practicing what you might do during an active shooter does not involve discharge of firearms. It involves practicing the response to said active shooter. Where to go, what to do. Do you leave the building if close to an exit, Where to shelter in place, how to shelter in place, who to contact. You keep up the practice until the response is automatic.

In comparison, preparing for a lethal confrontation involves practice, practice, practice. Repetitive practice saves your life, so your response to a threat is automatic. Muscle memory, thought processes, physical and mental responses to various stimuli. Professionals practice with discharging firearms.

Anyone remember duck and cover? Useless right? Yes and no. It was feel good stuff. But it is an example of teaching to get a learned response in an emergency. Same with fire drills. The repetition allows for mild panic only, but the kids know what to do and how to do it uniformly across the board. Do you teach them by starting a fire? No. Do you teach them by using smoke pots? No. Likewise you would not teach them by discharging a firearm. This is why I call BS.

I do love people who are so sure about everything....

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/31/1523091/guns-lockdown-blanks/

http://sunthisweek.com/2015/08/13/l...t-to-hold-emergency-response-training-aug-19/

http://www.elkharttruth.com/news/sc...trained-on-what-to-do-in-school-shooting.html

http://blogs.babycenter.com/mom_sto...curity-shoot-guns-gunfire-sounds-kids-safety/

I can post more links if you would like?? Just let me know. Wasn't hard to do a 5 second search on Google to see if what you call BS is actually....oh I don't know....BS. But thanks for playing.

 

[PhotoDave219]

For comparison's sake...... remember when Disneyland was partially evac'd because of a dry ice bomb set by one of the ODF CM's as a prank? Last year or the year before that?

Either way, the worst part is we had a crowd panic needlessly on Christmas night nonetheless. Thankfully no one got hurt in the ensuring chaos.

 

[Tigger1988]

So I'm guessing there isn't a reading test involved in getting a gun? The lack of comprehension from this proud gun owner is terrifying.

 

[Imagineerwannabe]

So I'm guessing there isn't a reading test involved in getting a gun? The lack of comprehension from this proud gun owner is terrifying.

Are we getting onto politics of gun legislation here?!
Something very alien to most of us British....best if we don't comment either, it didn't help piers Morgan's career much..

 

[bugsbunny]

The Disney Springs non incident is just a by product of the paranoia against guns and the ability of social media to run BS up the flag pole. It was a sad case of purple monkey dishwasher courtesy of Twitter.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Are we getting onto politics of gun legislation here?!
Something very alien to most of us British....best if we don't comment either, it didn't help piers Morgan's career much..

Probably more of a comment on a blowhard being a blowhard.

 

[PhotoDave219]

The Disney Springs non incident is just a by product of the paranoia against guns and the ability of social media to run BS up the flag pole. It was a sad case of purple monkey dishwasher courtesy of Twitter.

Actually.... that sums up the situation perfectly