flynnibus
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Well jeez... maybe that's why I used the pronouns describing ME not, YOU, nor anyone else
My post wasn't talking about anyone's opinion but my own - yet you need to make it out to be something else.
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Well jeez... maybe that's why I used the pronouns describing ME not, YOU, nor anyone else
My post wasn't talking about anyone's opinion but my own - yet you need to make it out to be something else.
captainkidd
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Well jeez... maybe that's why I used the pronouns describing ME not, YOU, nor anyone else
My post wasn't talking about anyone's opinion but my own - yet you need to make it out to be something else.
Sorry dude, but I'm not the only one who you come across to as such.
Dads 2 Boys
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The VH1 list is fairly laughable but the UK isn't a whole lot better......but a whole lot more realistic )I like RUSH's Xanadu but it doesn't belong on any 100 list). The VH1 list has 2 songs I've never heard of by bands I've never heard of and Poison @ #10? Give me a frieking break. Captain, I've seen the list and no one is accusing you of making it up........just abusing the list itself due to it's pathetic nature.
Let's continue the barrage shall we.......
* I like most of those songs too but many og them do not belong ANYWHERE near the top of a greatest hard rock song of all time list.
* Also, I really like Bon Jovi but they are far from hard rock/metal and no. 1? ummm....no (NO I'm not saying RUSH should be there)
* 2 songs by "Heart" ahead of "Dream On by Aerosmith"? wow
* Anything with Warrant unvalidates the list.
* Cinderella ahead of RUSH? Yeah...ok
This could go on forever but..........
Let's continue the barrage shall we.......
* I like most of those songs too but many og them do not belong ANYWHERE near the top of a greatest hard rock song of all time list.
* Also, I really like Bon Jovi but they are far from hard rock/metal and no. 1? ummm....no (NO I'm not saying RUSH should be there)
* 2 songs by "Heart" ahead of "Dream On by Aerosmith"? wow
* Anything with Warrant unvalidates the list.
* Cinderella ahead of RUSH? Yeah...ok
This could go on forever but..........
Dads 2 Boys
Well-Known Member
Yeh! I agree,sorry Captainkidd,forgive me,I can't believe this is still ongoing on a WDW site.Lets have a Disney character rock band with Mickey & Minnie on lead vocals,Pluto on bass guitar,goofy on percussion,Donald on keyboards.And singing "Stitch out of Hell"
That was funny as long as Stitch is dressed like Meat Loaf.
flynnibus
Premium Member
captainkidd
Well-Known Member
The only point I was making with the list is that different generations will have different results with lists like that. I don't agree with much of the list myself, but just pointing out that there is a large group of people that do find Bon Jovi's music iconic. I ain't alone.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Unfortunately that list is weak at proving that because it flaunts it's lack of sophistication with it's horrible results (like #2). A public survey is only as good as it's sample.. and that one shows serious problems.
No one doubts Bon Jovi has fans of their music - but that list is shameful.. and not because of Bon Jovi being listed as #1.
captainkidd
Well-Known Member
It's only shameful because you don't agree with it. I don't agree with much of it myself, but I wouldn't call it shameful. That's what those lists are - They're random asking people what they think. You posted a list a while back which Bon Jovi wasn't on for the sake, I assume, of proving a point. I provided a list for the same purpose. Everybody has a different opinion. There are many parts of both lists I agree and disagree with. That's what I believe the difference between you and I is. I'm not saying you are wrong, but one thing that I believe is that music truly is subjective. You claim to believe that, but only if it fits your criteria.
flynnibus
Premium Member
That's what they SHOULD be - and that's what I mean when I say a Survey is only as good as it's sample. If you want a 'universal' opinion, you need to ask a diverse sampling of people. If you only ask people in certain subset.. your results are going to be skewed to what that bubble thinks - and is not representative of a larger body. It's like asking people on WDWMagic what the world's #1 theme park is... that's not going to get you a result that is representative of the larger body outside of WDWMagic.
Now in regards to that survey listed - it's obvious that their sample is seriously flawed. How else does Type O Negative get #2? Do you honestly believe results like that are valid in a true random sample? How many people even know who the hell that is? It reeks of someone gaming the voting system they used. And with such flawed methodology, it soils the entire list.
It's not that *I* don't agree with the results - it's that who COULD agree with results like that and believe they are gathered with a sound methodology?
I posted a list to show an independent perspective. Not that it was the only one or even 'correct', but to show what another group of persons felt on the topic. This list attempts to show something based on random sampling of the public - when clearly there are flaws in the data gathering. That is unless there is some massive part of this country that are Type O Negative fans that are behind a cloaking device?
No, I'm saying the conclusions from this clearly point to flaws in it. If I find a list that puts Barney as the #1 Rock Song of all time... are you going to go 'wow, I never realized people thought that..' or are you going to raise an eyebrow and wonder how that list really was created?
Problem solved. Hire this guy.
Dads 2 Boys
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Nor does most of the general public. Why would you post a list like this when even you have to admit it's way past flawed? In your opinion, do you really think this list is accurate of the best 100 rock songs ever? I posted multiple fatal flaws to it and I could easily spend hours butchering it with objectivity.
real mad hatter
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NormC
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Exactly and as you said there is nothing wrong with that. I am 47. You are 36. Our tastes will obviously be different.
real mad hatter
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Hatter, I'm 36. Been a fan since I was 10.
Pumbas, what irony? I'm just posting exactly what was on the website. Does the UK have a different definition of the word?[/quote. OMG. Ive discovered Utopia.( not Todd Rundgren ) Ive just turned 60 last week,and the week before that was Mickeys 84th birthday and you are 36. Theres a 24 year gap between you,me,and Mickey.And there's 24 hours in a day.
captainkidd
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For the same reason Flynn posted the list he did a few days ago. Just to show you can't take a random listing like that and make any conclusions from it. It's just the opinions of whatever group of people that voted on that particular poll. Also though, to show, that I'm not totally insane when I say that I believe Bon Jovi have written some timeless, iconic songs that are part of the patchwork of pop culture. That list doesn't obviously prove that, but it does show that there are many others who do agree.
PhishinDisney
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Phish
luv
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So apparently Rush just got inducted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame... (FINALLY!!!!!)