News Remy's Ratatouille Adventure coming to Epcot

Kman101

Well-Known Member
Come back in six years. That's all I'll say.

Ok.

To be fair, and not saying it's right or wrong, many won't find these things a problem.

And I'm not really holding my breath for a cohesive Future World. I've also prepared myself for Figment's gutting and Inside Out taking over. But if we suddenly get a CARS overlay of Test Track and the inside of SSE earth gutted ... well ... I'll have a lot to say.
 

raymusiccity

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I loved the original Epcot but I think it became unsustainable when countries and companies stopped sponsorships. The original concept was going to require frequent updates and that required sponsors. Glad to see it getting attention - still a beautiful place to explore but desperately in need of new attractions even if they don't fit the original concept.

Agree. It's just a sign of how the whole concept has been evolving. EPCOT's a reflection of the whole 'World's Fair' mentality that was popular 'back in the day'. Chicago, St. Louis, New York, Seattle, San Antonio, et al., have all taken their turns hosting these money pits. I don't see another on our horizon, anytime soon. (Hosting the Olympics may soon go in that direction, as well. There has been alot of push back to Los Angeles stepping up to the plate).
 

Castle Cake Apologist

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I have zero problems with Rat coming to Epcot. It's not replacing anything, is set in the area it's going in. This isn't some "hot IP" either. If Ratatouille weren't a movie no one would be blinking an eye. (However, Frozen and Guardians remain wrong fits for the park; but to be fair we've had this invasion since Donald and friends took over Mexico and Nemo and Friends took over the seas).

I don't think a few attractions make it "MK 2.0". Now I'll have to see what they put in the UK and if it's Brave, well then we have an argument for MK 2.0 but I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

I'm batting an eye because I think the ride is pretty flawed and a little boring. I really hope they make improvements to it.
 

FigmentJedi

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Agree. It's just a sign of how the whole concept has been evolving. EPCOT's a reflection of the whole 'World's Fair' mentality that was popular 'back in the day'. Chicago, St. Louis, New York, Seattle, San Antonio, et al., have all taken their turns hosting these money pits. I don't see another on our horizon, anytime soon. (Hosting the Olympics may soon go in that direction, as well. There has been alot of push back to Los Angeles stepping up to the plate).
The Twin Cities of Minnesota have also been pushing for Expo 2023
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
@marni1971 , do you have any updated info about IDF? If you can't share, I understand, I'm just curious if Disney is going to keep the film or create a new one (with an IP tie like China).
Nothing yet. Given it was on-off on-off I don't know what details have been nailed down yet. Only say 1/4 needs to be reshot to bring it up to date. And it'll probably use the new digital CV360 rig to shoot, a rig that's not completed yet.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Ok.

To be fair, and not saying it's right or wrong, many won't find these things a problem.

And I'm not really holding my breath for a cohesive Future World. I've also prepared myself for Figment's gutting and Inside Out taking over. But if we suddenly get a CARS overlay of Test Track and the inside of SSE earth gutted ... well ... I'll have a lot to say.
IMO, Test Track doesn't work without a sponsor. If GM gets squirrelly, I'd guess that IP is inevitable.
 

Prototype82

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I totally understand those who lived Epcot's glory days and are vastly disappointed. I'd love them to embrace what made it great with AA heavy dark rides that make you think and wow you. And Epcot hasn't implemented IPs that well so I also get the hesitation. Ratatouille is probably the least of the problems that should be focused on.
I think what's incredibly refreshing is that it's not replacing the centerpiece film of the pavilion. Knowing this and anticipating the new seamless China Circle Vision film that Disney actually bothered to develop new technology for shows that there's still some room for a little EPCOT Center in the new IP-based agenda. World Showcase needs some rides. Bring it on in the most reverent way possible.
 

Frank the Tank

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Come back in six years. That's all I'll say.

I don't post here that often, but I check in regularly and believe you might be the most knowledgeable poster on this forum.

I was fortunate to see Epcot in its hey-day in the 1980s and early-1990s with fond nostalgic memories of Horizons, the original Journey into Imagination, the Wonders of Life Pavilion, etc. It wasn't like any other place in the world and completely unique, so I completely understand the consternation of the recent and planned changes to the park.

That being said, it does flummox me a bit when I see a lot of instant negative reactions about IP being integrated into attractions at Epcot (and even the other parks). To me, telling Disney to not use their IP is like telling DeBeers to not use diamonds or Coca-Cola to not sell soda. Disney's value as a company IS their intellectual property holdings. Once again, I understand that the Disney leaders and Imagineers originally designed Epcot without the use of then-existing Disney IP, but that neglects today's reality of (a) the corporate sponsor money that enabled those attractions to be created without IP doesn't exist anymore and (b) the amount of valuable IP that Disney has created and/or acquired since 1982 alone would make it the most valuable IP-holder in the entertainment industry by a massive margin, so it's hard to see why any company in Disney's position would willingly tie one hand behind its back to create attractions *without* leveraging its IP. In essence, that IP is what's funding new attractions today as opposed to corporate sponsor dollars. Disney was never in the position where it was creating attractions at Epcot without either a corporate funding base or leveraging its IP.

And to be honest, if my job was actually on the line at Disney where I had to deliver a successful attraction at WDW, is there any way that I could reasonably pitch it without leveraging any of Disney's IP? If anything, there's a ton of IP that *isn't* being utilized much at all that could fit well into Epcot: Big Hero 6, Inside Out, Wall-E, Up, Zootopia, etc. Many people here might not like it, but it's quite reasonable that the powers that be at Disney that hold the greatest collection of IP in the world would question why an attraction in today's marketplace (which is different than 1982) would actively *not* use any of that IP. This is almost like a theme park version of hipster music fans that recoil whenever a band finds mainstream success - the more successful the IP might be, there's a subset a theme park fans that seem to *reject* that IP being used in an attraction even more.

Regardless, I believe that it's a fair critique if an IP doesn't fit the theme or atmosphere of an area (such as Frozen in the World Showcase). However, I believe the reality is that the choice is either (a) no investment or (b) investment as long as IP is involved. Choice (c) of investment without IP involved is simply not on the table anymore and it won't ever be again. Disney has so much IP that can fit into so many different scenarios that I understand where the powers that be are coming from (even if I don't personally agree with them all of the time).
 

trainplane3

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Come back in six years. That's all I'll say.
Ugh. Well *expletive goes here*. That's exactly what I was afraid of. Adding *just* a little here and some over there will really give them the idea it needs to be everywhere.

I'll take this as a sign that a IP-less RoE is probably gonna be dead?
 

No Name

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IMO, Test Track doesn't work without a sponsor. If GM gets squirrelly, I'd guess that IP is inevitable.

The whole premise of Cars 3, but especially one particular Jackson Storm news scene, seems like they're trying to edge their way into Test Track.

If they saw it as a smart business decision to fund an overhaul of Test Track while they were coming off of bankruptcy, I hope they'll at least continue and renew their sponsorship. I can't imagine them dropping it completely. It's indeed a smart business decision. Right now Test Track seems the safest thing at Epcot, save for Frozen Ever After, and of course the future Rat and Guardians.

edit: coincidentally the CEO of GM was just announced as a new member of the TWDC BoD
 
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trainplane3

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It possibly is.

It's also possibly IlumiNations version 5 as opposed to RoE.
Hmm having never seen IllumiNations and only RoE, I don't think I could complain about that. Your videos of it made it seem very nice. I think the original score of RoE is what makes it for me. As long as it isn't a case of good music, not fleshed out enough show (RoL) then I can't complain too much.

Basically as long as I don't have Frozen, BH6, etc shoved in my face, then I'll be okay with it. Honestly the only IP I'm fine with would be Figment, but he still doesn't belong in it.

Speaking of RoE, is the 35th tag going to be similar to the 25th and 30th? Or are they going to do something grander?
 

Amidala

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And to be honest, if my job was actually on the line at Disney where I had to deliver a successful attraction at WDW, is there any way that I could reasonably pitch it without leveraging any of Disney's IP? If anything, there's a ton of IP that *isn't* being utilized much at all that could fit well into Epcot: Big Hero 6, Inside Out, Wall-E, Up, Zootopia, etc. Many people here might not like it, but it's quite reasonable that the powers that be at Disney that hold the greatest collection of IP in the world would question why an attraction in today's marketplace (which is different than 1982) would actively *not* use any of that IP. This is almost like a theme park version of hipster music fans that recoil whenever a band finds mainstream success - the more successful the IP might be, there's a subset a theme park fans that seem to *reject* that IP being used in an attraction even more.

Really well said. I think the appropriateness of the IP (i.e. Frozen in Norway vs. Ratatouille in France) is key, in the same way that I would welcome a BH6 or Inside Out attraction at Future World or Wall-E in The Land (both are relevant and actually have the potential to act as edutainment) but would scoff at a Cars overlay on Test Track. IMO there is a way to balance edutainment with the infusion of IPs, and Ratatouille gives me hope on that front, the quality of the ride aside. I agree that IPs are going to feature at Epcot one way or another–and I would take the merging of IPs with edutainment over TDO sprinkling some vaguely "futuristic" properties throughout FW (ahem...GOTG) any day.
 

gmajew

Premium Member
Really well said. I think the appropriateness of the IP (i.e. Frozen in Norway vs. Ratatouille in France) is key, in the same way that I would welcome a BH6 or Inside Out attraction at Future World or Wall-E in The Land (both are relevant and actually have the potential to act as edutainment) but would scoff at a Cars overlay on Test Track. IMO there is a way to balance edutainment with the infusion of IPs, and Ratatouille gives me hope on that front, the quality of the ride aside. I agree that IPs are going to feature at Epcot one way or another–and I would take the merging of IPs with edutainment over TDO sprinkling some vaguely "futuristic" properties throughout FW (ahem...GOTG) any day.


I am of the same opinion as you the Rat ride does not bother me at all. It is a new attraction not replacing a thing and really is a minor successful IP (My favorite Pixar Movie) but not a huge success. It is not a huge merchandise seller. So yeah they are using IP in the ride but it is not the same as Frozen in my eyes.

Frozen was wrong place replaced a ride that could have been fixed and brought back to good condition. So here they show horned the IP in no doubt about it.

The Rat they are not doing the same it is in the proper setting for the ride it is something that should be fun and by the art will look and fit the country perfectly.

Guardians - I am not sure on this one at all..... I want to love it but I don't think it is the right location and they are stuffing it in because the old ride was beyond bad in todays time and they did not want to spend to fix it. Here they are adding a thrill ride and form the sound of it it will be a blah ride with cut outs and not even get the humor of these characters into it. So here I think they will be failing.

The Mission space restaurant - Is an awesome addition. even happy with the refurb of the one side of the Mars ride...

So right now I think we are getting a very mix bag of results
 

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