EPCOT Remy's Ratatouille Adventure coming to Epcot

[justintheharris]

Yeah, but if they were going to put Aladdin in Magic it would definitely be in Adventureland. That's where they put the Dumbo ripoff ride there. They definitely need to give some love to other princess movies like Sleeping Beauty though. Maybe a Dragon coaster or something.

Disney will never give a roller coaster to an IP that they perceive to be too kid friendly. I remember rumors about Rock N Roller Coaster becoming A Goofy Movie themed which would make no sense. Most of the audience for that movie is too young to want to ride a roller coaster and the crowd who would be interested in the roller coaster would be turned off by the IP. I feel that Sleeping Beauty would have the same effect. Its primary fans are going to be significantly younger than the typical roller coaster crowd. It's the same reason that the Fire Mountain coaster with Moana would make little sense to me or Disney either.

 

[peter11435]

Disney will never give a roller coaster to an IP that they perceive to be too kid friendly. I remember rumors about Rock N Roller Coaster becoming A Goofy Movie themed which would make no sense. Most of the audience for that movie is too young to want to ride a roller coaster and the crowd who would be interested in the roller coaster would be turned off by the IP. I feel that Sleeping Beauty would have the same effect. Its primary fans are going to be significantly younger than the typical roller coaster crowd. It's the same reason that the Fire Mountain coaster with Moana would make little sense to me or Disney either.

I would argue most of the audience for A goofy Movie is now in the 18-35 range

 

[nickys]

Disney will never give a roller coaster to an IP that they perceive to be too kid friendly. I remember rumors about Rock N Roller Coaster becoming A Goofy Movie themed which would make no sense. Most of the audience for that movie is too young to want to ride a roller coaster and the crowd who would be interested in the roller coaster would be turned off by the IP. I feel that Sleeping Beauty would have the same effect. Its primary fans are going to be significantly younger than the typical roller coaster crowd. It's the same reason that the Fire Mountain coaster with Moana would make little sense to me or Disney either.

And yet DLP is getting a Frozen themed coaster of sorts. As I understand it, it’s kinda akin to BTMRR, down or around the side of a mountain.

 

[justintheharris]

And yet DLP is getting a Frozen themed coaster of sorts. As I understand it, it’s kinda akin to BTMRR, down or around the side of a mountain.

I'd bet 300$ that it's going to be the exact same track layout as Seven Dwarfs Mine Train with Frozen scenery instead of Snow White. And I'm more referring to an intense coaster. Like a roller coaster with the intensity of Tron or Expedition Everest does not mix well with a kid friendly IP

 

[justintheharris]

I would argue most of the audience for A goofy Movie is now in the 18-35 range

I suppose you're right but then the IP isn't quite as timeless as it should be.

 

[TJJohn12]

I'd bet 300$ that it's going to be the exact same track layout as Seven Dwarfs Mine Train with Frozen scenery instead of Snow White. And I'm more referring to an intense coaster. Like a roller coaster with the intensity of Tron or Expedition Everest does not mix well with a kid friendly IP

California Screamin’ is a pretty intense coaster that just got overlaid with Incredibles... I know the overlay was inartful, but it nonetheless is a younger franchise paired with an intense thrill ride (I argue more intense than EE).

 

[Kman101]

You're right. I used to detest Seven Dwarfs Mine Train for its shortcomings BUT I must say it's not an overall bad attraction. It still is the newest ride in Magic Kingdom, has a wonderful atmosphere and animatronics. It's just too short. Also, it is a roller coaster that has a lower height restriction than Space Mountain and Big Thunder Mountain.

Exactly. It's not bad. It's lacking. And it's OK to call them out on it while also still enjoying what's there. They dropped the ball a bit. There's a lack of substance in some rides. They're pretty and fun, but lack depth.

And you just explained why the wait time for it hasn't gone down. It's a "family" coaster, has a lower height requirement and is also still the newest thing in the park. Also what's it's THRC?

 

[Kman101]

I would argue most of the audience for A goofy Movie is now in the 18-35 range

Yep. And it's one of those that has developed a fanbase long after it was initially released. People act like movies and other things can't develop a following if it isn't "current" and I'll never understand that mentality.

And also, there's a new Goofy Movie magic band (not implying that's a "hint" or anything, just that they're taking advantage of the nostalgia towards the movie on it's anniversary), 90s nostalgia is "in" right now (look at the crowds for 90s night at Disneyland and the long long long lines for Darkwing and Max in his Powerline outfit). I think a lot of guests would love a re-theme to Powerline/A Goofy Movie. But I don't know I see the company feeling the same way. But who knows??

I don't think it's any secret RnRc IS going to be re-themed someday. I keep circling back to Cars or a take on the Incredicoaster. But I'd like to be wrong.

Anyway ... back on topic. I'd have never known this was the Remy thread had I not looked at the title lol but hey I contributed to the off-topic-ness too ...

 

[justintheharris]

California Screamin’ is a pretty intense coaster that just got overlaid with Incredibles... I know the overlay was inartful, but it nonetheless is a younger franchise paired with an intense thrill ride (I argue more intense than EE).

So... this might be a little long of an explanation but we now live in an era where 2D or G rated movies are viewed as "kids movies" while 3D animated movies and PG rated movies are viewed as "family movies." I'm among the youngest on the forum so I think I can ask and get results with the question: Remember when PG ACTUALLY MEANT SOMETHING in movies? Now everything, including Frozen and Inside Out, are PG. Prior to the early 2000s, we rated movies based on who it was suitable for while now, movies are rated based on who they're marketing towards. Take the The Hunger Games, which in many respects should have an R rating, is rated PG-13 because the primary audience for the book was in the teenager range.

So why do I bring this up? Because the ratings system affects our perception of the movies. The Incredibles is, by most accounts, a family movie. It's rated PG and 3D animated. It has proven enormously successful at the box office. Compare that to say, Princess and The Frog and the second Winnie The Pooh movie. Both were rated G and completed with 2D animation and, while they didn't flop, they underperformed. And it is likely due to the fact they got deemed "kids movies" and less than 2 years later, Tangled came out with 3D animation and a PG rated and performed much much better. In a post-Pixar and Dreamworks era, 2D animation and G ratings are simply a turn off for family movies. The main people who watch 2D animated films or G rated content are children who love Disney movies or us adults watching them for nostalgia. In the United States, 2D animation is dead. And theming a new roller coaster to a 2D animated film would likely produce the same "for kids" aura, even if it wasn't. Which overall wouldn't produce the results Disney wants. The two new roller coasters coming to Walt Disney World are Tron and Guardians of the Galaxy which are far more adult movies than the average Disney film.

tl;dr The Incredibles is a popular movie with families whereas Sleeping Beauty is primarily popular with kids (and Moana certainly has many older fans but seems to be primarily popular with little girls). I can't fathom Disney doing anything for their 2D films in the near future in the parks or creating roller coasters for movies that have a primary fan base of little kids.

 

[justintheharris]

Yep. And it's one of those that has developed a fanbase long after it was initially released. People act like movies and other things can't develop a following if it isn't "current" and I'll never understand that mentality.

And also, there's a new Goofy Movie magic band (not implying that's a "hint" or anything, just that they're taking advantage of the nostalgia towards the movie on it's anniversary), 90s nostalgia is "in" right now (look at the crowds for 90s night at Disneyland and the long long long lines for Darkwing and Max in his Powerline outfit). I think a lot of guests would love a re-theme to Powerline/A Goofy Movie. But I don't know I see the company feeling the same way. But who knows??

I don't think it's any secret RnRc IS going to be re-themed someday. I keep circling back to Cars or a take on the Incredicoaster. But I'd like to be wrong.

Anyway ... back on topic. I'd have never known this was the Remy thread had I not looked at the title lol but hey I contributed to the off-topic-ness too ...

Alright I must admit that it has developed quite a fan base since its release and I forgot how many Powerline shirts I see but I still sense it would make a really corny roller coaster.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Mine Train has been open 5 years and still has hour long waits from rope drop to park close and you don’t think it was well received? Bring on those poorly received rides!

Hows its THRC vs Ops and it’s FP ratio going?

Exactly, let's not always assume a long wait is 100% tied to popularity. It's supply vs. demand. A ride like Kilimanjaro Safaris is more popular than nearly everything else in WDW because it sustains moderate to high waits will having a high capacity. Mine Train has E ticket demand and C/D ticket capacity. There's a bit of an imbalance there.

 

[Indy_UK]

Rat in France is meh. It’s in a beautifully themed area with Remy’s next door but the issue of seeing the floor is a massive detraction of the ride. We only do it cos it’s usually 5-10 minutes on single rider

 

[justintheharris]

Rat in France is meh. It’s in a beautifully themed area with Remy’s next door but the issue of seeing the floor is a massive detraction of the ride. We only do it cos it’s usually 5-10 minutes on single rider

I don't necessarily disagree with the floor being a huge distraction BUT Ratatouille is almost exactly what EPCOT needs right now.
1. It's a new ride.
2. It's a FAMILY ride. The park has few engaging rides for little kids.
3. It utilizes technology that Walt Disney World hasn't seen yet (even if it's not as amazing as other technology).
4. It's a new ride in WORLD SHOWCASE. Disney needs to start drawing people into world showcase WITHOUT the use of festivals or alcohol.
5. It's an IP attraction that I don't think I've seen anyone make any complaints about whether or not it's theming appropriate.

 

[Indy_UK]

It's a great fit for sure, I just hope they worked on improving the floor issue

 

[Brer Panther]

7 Dwarves is okay, but I'm not going to knock over people to get to it in the morning though. It is just a short dark ride disguised as a rollercoaster. I would rather have gotten a redo of Snow White's Scary Adventure and a real coaster.

Eh, I like Seven Dwarfs Mine Train. I understand the complaints, but I admittedly just went on it for the dark ride elements anyway.

I would have rather gotten the original SDMT layout and a different IP ride where Fairytale Hall is. I’ve always felt Aladdin would make a great dark ride.

Yes. This. I'm sorry, but sticking a meet-and-greet where a dark ride once stood = wasted space. They have to put the princess meet-and-greet somewhere else (maybe there's room near the Tangled toilets?) and put a new dark ride where Snow White was. There are so many choices - Alice in Wonderland (then again, I'm not sure how close it is to the Mad Tea Party), a new version of Mr. Toad, One Hundred and One Dalmatians, Pinocchio, Aladdin as you suggested... Disney World's Fantasyland needs more dark rides.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

I’d rather they build an Aladdin E ticket in Adventureland with the KUKA arm technology. Use the small space for some smaller IP.

 

[GlacierGlacier]

I’d rather they build an Aladdin E ticket in Adventureland with the KUKA arm technology. Use the small space for some smaller IP.

The KUKA arm system used in Forbidden Journey, manufactured by Dynamic Attractions, has a form of exclusivity with Universal.

Now, there was a bit of an issue between the two companies when DA sold the system for the Batman Dark Ride in Dubai. But I don't know enough to comment about it.

As far as other ride systems made using robotic arms - there's at least one I know of which is mildly interesting, but probably not useful for an Aladdin IP.

Regardless - it's a big investment for any 1990s IP.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

As far as other ride systems made using robotic arms - there's at least one I know of which is mildly interesting, but probably not useful for an Aladdin IP.

Regardless - it's a big investment for any 2019 IP.

fixed!

 

[EricsBiscuit]

The KUKA arm system used in Forbidden Journey, manufactured by Dynamic Attractions, has a form of exclusivity with Universal.

Now, there was a bit of an issue between the two companies when DA sold the system for the Batman Dark Ride in Dubai. But I don't know enough to comment about it.

As far as other ride systems made using robotic arms - there's at least one I know of which is mildly interesting, but probably not useful for an Aladdin IP.

Regardless - it's a big investment for any 1990s IP.

In any case an Aladdin e ticket would kick posterior. I don’t want a puny little attraction for such an awesome IP.

 

[TOCPE82]

Hows its THRC vs Ops and it’s FP ratio going?

This exactly. We had a 6pm FP on our last trip and the FP line was an hour long. In Feburary. We didn't bother.