News Refurbishment coming soon to Disney's Polynesian Village Resort - Moana details to be included

MrPromey

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The Polynesian is a bit different because it was never really themed to any authentic time/place, so it's not quite as big of a deal there (at least to me; others might disagree). I think the tattoo wall makes the room look a lot worse, but it's not because it's tied to Moana. It just overwhelms the room and detracts from the ambience.

It was themed as a Tiki Culture resort - not an exact place in an exact time and not really going for full authenticity of any specific real-world location but to exist as an elaborate version of something that had already been popular for about half a century at the time it was built.

There were lots of fans of this look/feel and there has in the last 10-15 years or so, been a resurgence in a sort of retro-sense. The aesthetic by it's very nature is a bit tacky but on purpose* - same basic idea of the Tiki Room in Adventureland which of course, some people love and others hate for the very same reason.

For those that don't like this look/feel, I'd ask why they're choosing to stay at a resort themed after it with so many other options including much less expensive ones.

It feels like Disney is now trying to de-emphasize that while not totally doing away with it (because then it would become hard to justify a Polynesian resort in central Florida - especially in this day and age because that would make it full-on culture appropriation wich the tiki culture thing just barely allows them to get away with) and not surprisingly, this middle-of-the-road approach is never going to fully appease anyone who cares enough to debate about all of this in either direction.

*I suppose kitsch would be the actual word to describe it.
 
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MrPromey

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The problem with the image of Enchanted Tales with Bell above is that this is obviously an example of decoration applied onto what is essentially an empty room designed to hold large theme park crowds, whereas true theming should make it appear as though the theme park experience is taking place in a room designed for other purposes.
... sort of like the workshop room you start off in before going through the mirror?
 

Skywise

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I don't think it is for future modifications but this design allowed for faster construction by casting the platforms offsite and bringing them in. As much as we hope for new trains I think we are stuck with these and they will keep patching them up for many years

Related note, I can't remember thinking "I wish bio had got this shot so I could see that detail" ever. He knows what to show and what to leave on the floor
Yeah - I think the one REAL thing stopping monorail expansion is the one coolest feature of the Monorail at WDW... That it goes inside the Contemporary. That's going to be a LOT of $$$ to expand the tracks and station inside the Contemporary (if it's even feasible)
 

JoeCamel

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Yeah - I think the one REAL thing stopping monorail expansion is the one coolest feature of the Monorail at WDW... That it goes inside the Contemporary. That's going to be a LOT of $$$ to expand the tracks and station inside the Contemporary (if it's even feasible)
It's not without rebuilding the modular hotel. Planned obsolesce at it's finest. Walt did say "it will never be finished" from what people tell me so it must be time to implement the flying vehicles, after they built an airport in anticipation of this great day?
 

Skywise

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It was themed as a Tiki Culture resort - not an exact place in an exact time and not really going for full authenticity of any specific real-world location but to exist as an elaborate version of something that had already been popular for about half a century at the time it was built.

There were lot of fans of this look/feel and there has in the last 10-15 years or so, been a resurgence in a sort of retro-sense. The aesthetic by it's very nature is a bit tacky but on purpose* - same basic idea of the Tiki Room in Adventure Land which of course, some people love and others hate for the very same reason.

For those that don't like this look/feel, I'd ask why they're choosing to stay at a resort themed after it with so many other options including much less expensive ones.

It feels like Disney is now trying to de-emphasize that while not totally doing away with it (because then it would become hard to justify a Polynesian resort in central Florida - especially in this day and age because that would make it full-on culture appropriation wich the tiki culture thing just barely allows them to get away with) and not surprisingly, this middle-of-the-road approach is never going to fully appease anyone who cares enough to debate about all of this in either direction.

*I suppose kitsch would be the actual word to describe it.
It's not just Disney either - it's happening everywhere, including Vegas where "detheming" is in.

I think they're all taking the same page from current marketing theory (including movies) - it's not enough to have a singular vision or story anymore because you inevitably cut out chunks of your audience when you do. That's why many movies now-a-days (especially the blockbusters) have numerous subplots to appeal to different audience types. But you have to stay under the 2 hour length time to keep audience churn going so you inevitably end up with watered down plots that appeal to the lowest common denominator to maximize audience potential.

Detheming of the resorts is the same thing - If you do anything in one particular fashion (the beancounters reason) then you're harming the potential of 100% occupancy so best milquetoast the whole thing for the broadest appeal. This cuts costs in other ways as well because you don't get unique furniture anymore and can just buy off the mass market or do a one-off run. (Unlike, say, the original furnishings in the Grand Floridian which were custom made just for the resort)

Expanding that to Vegas - the Luxor started off with an Egyptian theme and even themed rooms - which has been so watered down over the years that internally they don't refer to it as "pyramid" anymore but "the atrium". The rooms were recently "renovated" as well and filled with the Bellagio's OLD furnishings which, in the Bellagio, were the beginning of "detheming" there as they were 'deluxe' but non-descript furnishings compared to the original furnishings which matched the color motifs and italian stylings of the Bellagio's original themes.

If anything the entire concept of a "resort", both at Disney and in Vegas, seems to have been lost and is now treated as a "motel 8 with a built in shopping mall"
 

Skywise

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It's not without rebuilding the modular hotel. Planned obsolesce at it's finest. Walt did say "it will never be finished" from what people tell me so it must be time to implement the flying vehicles, after they built an airport in anticipation of this great day?
I dunno about complete rebuilding (though it may have to be) - I was thinking they could expand the platform about 10 feet into the concourse
 

UNCgolf

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It was themed as a Tiki Culture resort - not an exact place in an exact time and not really going for full authenticity of any specific real-world location but to exist as an elaborate version of something that had already been popular for about half a century at the time it was built.

There were lot of fans of this look/feel and there has in the last 10-15 years or so, been a resurgence in a sort of retro-sense. The aesthetic by it's very nature is a bit tacky but on purpose* - same basic idea of the Tiki Room in Adventure Land which of course, some people love and others hate for the very same reason.

For those that don't like this look/feel, I'd ask why they're choosing to stay at a resort themed after it with so many other options including much less expensive ones.

It feels like Disney is now trying to de-emphasize that while not totally doing away with it (because then it would become hard to justify a Polynesian resort in central Florida - especially in this day and age because that would make it full-on culture appropriation wich the tiki culture thing just barely allows them to get away with) and not surprisingly, this middle-of-the-road approach is never going to fully appease anyone who cares enough to debate about all of this in either direction.

*I suppose kitsch would be the actual word to describe it.

Oh, I know -- tiki kitsch is exactly how I've described it elsewhere (maybe even on this thread). It certainly has a theme; it just wasn't themed towards a real world time/place which makes it different than most of the other resorts.

I'd argue that de-emphasizing theme has been happening at most of the resorts, though. Not getting rid of it entirely, but intentionally lessening it to make things look more streamlined and modern.
 

MrPromey

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Oh, I know -- tiki kitsch is exactly how I've described it elsewhere (maybe even on this thread). It certainly has a theme; it just wasn't themed towards a real world time/place which makes it different than most of the other resorts.

I'd argue that de-emphasizing theme has been happening at most of the resorts, though. Not getting rid of it entirely, but intentionally lessening it to make things look more streamlined and modern.

Yeah, I responded to you because I was sort of doing a "yeah and..." off what you were already saying. In retrospect, I don't know why I did that though because even at the time of typing, I knew you already got what I was saying and by responding to you like that, half the people I intended it for probably won't even notice. :/
 
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MrPromey

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It's not just Disney either - it's happening everywhere, including Vegas where "detheming" is in.

I think they're all taking the same page from current marketing theory (including movies) - it's not enough to have a singular vision or story anymore because you inevitably cut out chunks of your audience when you do. That's why many movies now-a-days (especially the blockbusters) have numerous subplots to appeal to different audience types. But you have to stay under the 2 hour length time to keep audience churn going so you inevitably end up with watered down plots that appeal to the lowest common denominator to maximize audience potential.

Detheming of the resorts is the same thing - If you do anything in one particular fashion (the beancounters reason) then you're harming the potential of 100% occupancy so best milquetoast the whole thing for the broadest appeal. This cuts costs in other ways as well because you don't get unique furniture anymore and can just buy off the mass market or do a one-off run. (Unlike, say, the original furnishings in the Grand Floridian which were custom made just for the resort)

Expanding that to Vegas - the Luxor started off with an Egyptian theme and even themed rooms - which has been so watered down over the years that internally they don't refer to it as "pyramid" anymore but "the atrium". The rooms were recently "renovated" as well and filled with the Bellagio's OLD furnishings which, in the Bellagio, were the beginning of "detheming" there as they were 'deluxe' but non-descript furnishings compared to the original furnishings which matched the color motifs and italian stylings of the Bellagio's original themes.

If anything the entire concept of a "resort", both at Disney and in Vegas, seems to have been lost and is now treated as a "motel 8 with a built in shopping mall"
In Vegas, I totally get it. They went through this phase where they thought they could market themselves as a good family destination while somehow keeping their reputation as adult playground capital of the world. Clearly, they've since given up on that misguided approach.

It's been a good long while since I've been out there (because I now have a young child and have no intention of dragging him through a casino to get to a pool or having to explain what those "collector-cards" someone on the street was happy to hand him a fist-full of were about) but being a M Life member, I still get the offers.

You mention Excalibur and I have to mention, I've gotten no-strings attached offers to stay for free there just... because... which tells me something. I suppose it's sort of hard to totally de-theme that particular resort but the last time I was out there, it appeared to be geared toward the barely over 21 crowd who basically couldn't afford to stay anywhere better and didn't mind that their hotel looked like a kid's pizza and game place from the outside as long as they were close to everything else.

The last time I stayed at Luxor, I don't recall anything seeming Egyptian in my room but maybe I just didn't notice.

Of course, all of the newer stuff for what? About the last twenty years? Has been built from the ground up with no theme.

In the case of Disney, though, I think they need to be careful. Maybe in isolation they could get away with it but doing that along with other resort choices in recent years seems to be really improving the value proposition of nearby off-property resorts.

Somewhere further back, someone mentioned Marriott World Center. In my opinion, that's a beautiful hotel/resort that also happens to be very close. With rooms starting at $119 a night (right this moment - I just checked), I don't know how Disney plans to compete with that in the contemporary de-themed future where everyone pays to park and resort fees* on top of room rates are the norm both in and outside of Disney - especially when they're getting rid of things like Magic Express and messing with their extra magic hours.

I mean, $119 is cheaper than Disney's value resorts most of the time and those things are basically gussied up motel rooms.

For those who have never been there, let me assure you, World Center is no motel.

As standard contemporary hotels go, Disney certainly doesn't seem to want to invest in competing on true luxury so I don't understand what they expect the draw to be.

That said, I think the Polly is a long ways away from de-themeing on that kind of level but it does seem to be the new approach to anything they're thinking about building, anymore.


*I know Disney hasn't implemented resort fees yet but we all saw the survey questions about it so we know it's something they're trying to figure out how to tack on.
 
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Nmoody1

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I still think how things change in 5 years.... twenty teens.... rename the resort to Polynesian Village and celebrate the history.... twenty twentys... rip out tikki theme the polynesian was known for and make all the rooms character themed.

I get character inclusion. Its a great way to get kids who love Moana to want and stay there.... problem is how long will Moana have this fan base.

However, why turn the whole resort into a moana theme? Surely they could have done what caribbean beach did with pirates or PO did with Princess rooms. They could have had tikki room themed rooms and moana rooms.... even uncharged for the moana rooms - they love an uncharge!
 

nicb88

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I still think how things change in 5 years.... twenty teens.... rename the resort to Polynesian Village and celebrate the history.... twenty twentys... rip out tikki theme the polynesian was known for and make all the rooms character themed.

I get character inclusion. Its a great way to get kids who love Moana to want and stay there.... problem is how long will Moana have this fan base.

However, why turn the whole resort into a moana theme? Surely they could have done what caribbean beach did with pirates or PO did with Princess rooms. They could have had tikki room themed rooms and moana rooms.... even uncharged for the moana rooms - they love an uncharge!
I mean, I agree with the Moana theming being misguided and wish it weren’t happening, but from what I’ve seen it is quite minimal. The general vibe they’re going for seems to be a more generic ‘islands’ or ‘tropical’ theme rather than Tiki. Which is a shame, as the kitschness of tiki definitely did give the resort some uniqueness among the array of Disney hotels. But it could be even worse, so I guess we should remain thankful for that.
 

aladdin2007

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Im sort of bummed cause were staying in a dvc room in the fall and I would of have rathered stayed in one of the brand new regular rooms (even tho moana) just cause they will be brand new and all,,,but it wasn't my doings sadly. :(
 

oogie boogie man

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I love the refurbs, I'm just not sure about the blue.

I guess they wanted to have some water themings in the room, to connect with the new Moana fountains coming to Epcot. .... That I wish wasn't coming to Epcot.
 

TrojanUSC

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I think most grand hotels/resorts and US hotels/motels have them. They're quite uncommon here in the UK, and I'm not so sure they're that common in Europe either! Just an observation :)

They're pretty common throughout the world, even in the UK. Just that a lot of city hotels (in London, for example) don't have the space for one. The Savoy and Langham, for example, both do. A lot of train stations in London do too, where taxis pick up.

Generally it's just a covered structure for guests to stay out of the elements when entering, exiting or waiting for their vehicle.
 

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