Reflections of Mainland China - Now With More Thailand

MinnieM123

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Eventually recovered, I head out for food. Stopped at a local dive which was packed on the way in closer to noon - trying to avoid the touristy spots at Qianmen or the seriously four KFCs I’ve seen so far! The menu was hysterical with Engrish. Delicacies included “Old Beijing Fried Enema,” “Three Things For a While,” “Spicy Fungal Exploding,” and multiple varieties of “Mushroom Rape.” :hilarious: I ordered a simple seafood medley which was tasty, cheap, and still bubbling upon arrival. Used a point ‘n’ nod ordering style due to a total and complete language barrier. Should’ve gotten rice too.

The "menu" was hilarious!! :hilarious:

Lastly I visit the Epcot China Pavilion - er, I mean the Temple of Prayer for Good Harvests. This is the park’s masterful centerpiece, considered among the country’s most beautiful structures. It is like the Vault, circular in the same design style, but with more tiered gables and a magnificent altar-like marble foundation. Lingered here a bit on the less-crowded backside admiring detailed wood panels and the overall ambiance.

This is fascinating architecture you've seen today--I'm taking it all in, via your photos.

Breakfast time in a traditional dumpling house seated at a table with the locals. Love it! :D:hungry:

I love those little dumplings! Most Chinese restaurants here in the states have some version of those. :hungry:
 

D Hulk

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i am loving this trip report so far! how does beijing compare to other cities? is it in a top 10 possibly?
Glad you’re here. I’ll need to see more of Beijing, but it’s not a Top Ten. The highlights so far are great and absolutely justify a visit, don’t get me wrong, but the city overall is smoggy, impersonal and grey. Based on my research the rest of China is far more charming...and I’m having a blast already!

Did the Summer Palace this morning, which was lovely and serene. Detailed recaps later.
 

D Hulk

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Today began with a trip up to the Summer Palace over an hour out of town via metro, far up in Beijing’s northwestern hills. It was the emperor’s escape from palace intrigue way back from the Qing Dynasty, and the parklike grounds are a great tourist escape from the city today.

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The site is roughly 1 square mile of gardens and temples and other artistries spread out around Kunming Lake and Longevity Hill. I entered via the secluded, non-touristy North Gate. Across a gated drawbridge to a temple complex done in the style of Tibetan Buddhism as filtered by the Chinese. No tourists here, but plenty of elderly local residents doing their morning tai chi practices.

The Four Great Regions temple complex climbs to Longevity Hill’s peak here on the backside. There are less intense walks around the hill, but I proceed straight upwards via pavilion stairs against vertical stone walls. Several terraces with stuptas and statues divide the trip. Eventually under fir tree cover I find stairs carved into freeform rocks (yet artfully arranged by designers). These I climb the rest of the way, these steps making the area feel like “Buddhist Tom Sawyer Island.”

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Compared to the geometric Temple of Heaven, the Summer Palace more organically fuses the natural and the manmade in the grand tradition of Chinese gardens. It’s more evocative for that reason. I am alone while exploring the peak’s nooks and crannies, which makes them feel like real discoveries.
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Eventually I follow some ridgeline trails to the southern base of the hill to the the northern shores of Kunming Lake. Terraces and arcades and carved stone walls line the waters. More explorers are wandering in the cool overcast morning weather. Boats, golden with dragon-shaped bows, glide the waters. I explore every pathway, discovering ancient pagodas and covered stone bridges crossing lily ponds.

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D Hulk

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Continuing east on the lake’s edge, there are more and more ancient imperial structures. We’re approachjng the emperor’s residences and his court buildings. The most distinctive structure is the Tower of Buddhist Incense which sits prominently towering up to the peak of Longevity Hill. It beckons me! I pass through carved wooden courtyards to the monumental stone base stretching 10 floors to the heavens. I ascend steep, crumbling stairs to finally reach the tiered circular pagoda at the top. Hillsides to the left and right hide lesser temples, all mixed together with wild piles of curlicue boulders. I’ve now returned to that same peak from earlier, and between these two treks up Longevity Hill I’ve already climbed 40 flights. How tiring!

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I descend the hill’s eastern ridge into the main court complex, into an area absolutely swarming with tourists - with massive slow-oozing tour groups led by flag-waving guides, more and more busloads pouring in from the popular East Gate into the chaotic Hall of Benevolence.

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I don’t linger long amidst these throngs, but continue south away form them down the lake’s eastern edge. A gardener paints Chinese characters onto the stone walkway with a wet mop. Willows frame views of the Buddhist Tower. Further south the massive Seventeen Arch Bridge - the longest bridge on any imperial Chinese grounds - leads to the quaint South Lake Island and the Dragon King’s Temple. Nearby, a pagoda is host to like a local Buddhist church group singing their hymns; the soothing, meditative music echoes over the lake and provides welcome serenity on the island’s solitary backside.

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By now with most of the day still ahead, I’d seen most Summer Palace had to offer. Thought it would be a day-long trip! Instead I take the metro back into downtown Beijing and figure out afternoon activities.

(Note these images are a mere FRACTION of what I’ve taken. Uploading is a pain via iPhone. Eventually once I return home, I hope to add more pics.)
 

D Hulk

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After pausing briefly at the hotel, I needed lunch. I settled on De Yuan Roast Duck Restaurant, the best combo of “well regarded” and “nearby.”

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I ordered a whole Peking duck. My eyes were larger than my stomach on this one. It came out in stages, first the fried skin, then the roast interior, and lastly the tastiest fatty chunks of skin and meat combined. :hungry: Add flour pancakes, plum sauce and other toppings for dressing the bird. Then, completely full long before polishing it off, they bring the fourth course - the duck’s skeleton, complete with oodles of meats hanging from every bone.

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Somehow the tiny Chinese girl nearby polished off an even larger meal all by herself! :eek:

Now, what to do for the day’s remainder? I settled on seeing the Drum Tower and the Ancient Observatory, as both are located further away from tomorrow’s sights.

Both of these choices were unsuccessful.

First it turns out there are several “Drum Towers.” The one I went to, out in the sleek modern commercial district, was actually a closed dance club. :facepalm:

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Luckily next door to that was a genuine (if obscure) tourist site, Dongyue Temple. So inside I went. Turns out this was a still-active, highly-revered Taoist holy site, with silent worshippers in several corridors heavy with incense. For my part, I explored multiple courtyard alcoves containing these bizarre painted plaster figures. Some were of men, others of monsters, or of animal-headed humanoids, demons, all sorts of nightmarish craziness. Each alcove was a different “department” of hell, going by the descriptive placards. There were maybe 100 departments altogether, each with highly specific bureaucratic afterlife duties - underming fate, killing animals, things like that. Yikes!

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Next I took the subway one stop south to the Ancient Observatory. At least this one I located correctly. Too bad it’s rooftop (its best feature) was closed, so I didn’t bother paying to enter the grounds. Would’ve liked seeing all the cool pre-telescope astronomical instruments.

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Well, that didn’t take much time. Improvising, I headed a few stops west to the Wangfujing Snack Street. This is a narrow pedestrian corridor hidden within a bland boutique ritzy store area. Inside Wangfujing are dozens of tiny amazing food stands serving distinctive Beijing street food. Delicious!

First I ate the skewered scorpions. How could I refuse?! The vendor teased me and held a living scorpion at my mouth. :grumpy:

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They were nothing special, I’m afraid. Gimmick food. Little flavor or substance. The stinger tail still had a muscle reflex, which my lip discovered when I first bit into a thorax.

Next I had a mango drink. Somehow bars are hard to find in Beijing (though I’m writing this from a bar now).

Oh do I wish I’d been hungrier. I’d have snacked on tentacle broth, or layered cream parfaits, or unidentifiable pink skewers (it’s either squid or fruit). The kebabs of carmelized tomatoes, one of those I just chowed on back in my hotel neighborhood hours later.

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Full from scorpion, I opted to walk back to Qianmen. A 6 kilometer walk, one which actually saw me prematurely wandering through Tiananmen Square. Along the way, a sexy Chinese girl tried to rope me into a common tourist scam. She’s a honeypot working for a local coffee shop. She flirted, she asked me out for coffee...I refused. Apparently it’s a scheme to charge foreigners $100 for a cup of coffee. Very common near Forbidden City.

Entry into Tiananmen was all security theater. Lucky (wisely) I had my passport on me. They inspected my travel visa and everything!

As for Tiananmen...I’ll be seeing it more fully tomorrow on the way to Forbidden City. It’s the world’s largest public square, and it is too big. Really oppressive and charmless, surrounded by communist monuments, mausoleums, and museums which resemble mausoleums. Plus military personnel everywhere. I just trudged through. One buddy who visited two years ago, he tells tale of some harrowing encounters he had here with the Chinese military. I had no similar mishaps

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Eventually I returned to the hotel. There I rested and recaps. Right now I’m out exploring the hutong neighborhoods around my hotel - I’m more energized than I was yesterday, which is great - and the nightlife around here is pleasantly vibrant but not too wild.

Crowds have been pretty extreme most places today. Bikes and Vespas are always weaving between tightly packed masses. At once point, a van drove down the sidewalk! We’ll see if this craziness continues tomorrow as I explore the Forbidden City and additional attractions around it.
 

MinnieM123

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$100 for coffee -- no thanks. ;)
Peking Duck -- YES! :hungry:
Fried scorpion-- NO WAY!!! :jawdrop:

Good grief, I don't know how you got up the nerve to eat scorpion. :facepalm:

You amaze me with how well you get around in a different country -- I admire that. If it was me, I'd probably be clinging to my tour guide! :p You have guts to explore all these new places by yourself. (Thank you, as I'm quite enjoying your trip from the safety of my home computer! :joyfull: )
 

D Hulk

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Great trip report...neat pics and all very interesting. Can't wait to read more.

Oh yea...my TR also got moved here too. Guess it's the way these things are going. Oh well.
I’m glad in a way that our trip reports got moved. I wouldn’t have found yours otherwise, and I’m now enjoying (very slowly) it during vacation downtime. A good read so far.

Very interesting report so far. My husband and I are planning to go to China in the next few years, so this is helping with some planning.
Do you have any specific questions? Better still, wait to ask until my trip is completed.

You amaze me with how well you get around in a different country -- I admire that. If it was me, I'd probably be clinging to my tour guide! :p You have guts to explore all these new places by yourself. (Thank you, as I'm quite enjoying your trip from the safety of my home computer! :joyfull: )
Hope you’re having a blast vacationing vicariously. Actually tonight I join up with my tour group for the next two weeks.
 

James G.

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I’m glad in a way that our trip reports got moved. I wouldn’t have found yours otherwise, and I’m now enjoying (very slowly) it during vacation downtime. A good read so far.


Do you have any specific questions? Better still, wait to ask until my trip is completed.


Hope you’re having a blast vacationing vicariously. Actually tonight I join up with my tour group for the next two weeks.
I know you don't speak Chinese. How's your Australian accent?
 

D Hulk

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Just got back in after a lengthy, packed day. For now I’ll just provide the highlights, and hopefully find some time later for proper pics and recaps.

Began the day touring Tiananmen Square. Didn’t particularly care for it.

Then into the Forbidden City, which was huge and overcrowded.

Followed by touring a pair of lovely, historied city parks - Jingshan Park and Beihai Park.

Went to the NanLuoGuXiang hutong neighborhood to explore, beginning on a hipster boutique street and continuing into mazes if residences.

Climbed up the real Drum Tower, which I finally successfully found!

Then back to the hotel for an extended orientation with the tour group. There are 9 others traveling along, half of them British, plus a few Swiss, an Australian and an Argentinian. I’m the only Yank.

A few of us buddied up and caroused through the hutongs for the past few hours.

Tomorrow begins with a rickshaw tour, then a drive out to a less touristy section of the Great Wall where we stay overnight in a village guest house.

I’m hoping to recap on the bus ride.
 
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D Hulk

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Wednesday, Sept. 12th

I began the day walking north from the hotel into Tiananmen Square, with a stop along the way for some more cheap breakfast dumplings.

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Tiananmen will likely be my least favorite place on this whole trip. Of course you still have to visit it. Picture 100 acres of pure flat concrete, filled with people and oversized monuments and relentless smog-filtered sun. It’s a historically fascinating place, and evidently something of a Chinese Hajj based on the chaotic frenzy of tour groups.

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Entry is through security checkpoints, with Chinese military personnel in their best-pressed uniforms standing watch. You need your passport to enter. For a wide open plaza, mobility is shockingly limited. There are retractable fences everywhere used to herd visitors where the government wants. There’s almost no greenery. You can’t even get very close to the monuments such as the famous statues of soldiers working together (Chinese style Flag of Iwo Jima, basically). The line for Mao’s mausoleum is hours-long at 7:30 AM. CCTV cameras are everyplace.

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All of Tiananmen is meant to overwhelm you with China’s national might. It loses sight of the beauty and pleasures of China’s multi-millennial culture in the process. In the distance, Cyclopean edifices display huge communist stars or a gigantic poster of Mao. Patriotism feels weird when the specific symbols have no emotional resonance to you. I’m sure all forms of jingoism are similarly off-putting to outsiders - it makes you question how your own nation might appear abroad.

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Beholding the Forbidden City immediately north of Tiananmen, it’s clear the ancient emperors liked to awe and overwhelm with oppressive scale too. In some ways, this fortressed imperial complex and palace is not so different from other Chinese buildings. It’s just far, far huger, and the ornate detailing which defines the Chinese aesthetic for me is largely absent here.

Crossing a bridge under Mao, you must pass through several outer courtyards to even reach the City’s main entrance. The overall complex is a square mile in size, and the courtyards are designed to feel larger still. The visitor is dwarfed and made pathetic, not a pleasant feeling; the opposite of Main Street.

I totally failed at entering the Forbidden City’s inner sanctum.

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Here’s where a tour group would come in handy. It turns out less than a year ago the Chinese government declared that all visitors to FC must make advance reservations on a website only in Chinese. I researched this trip pretty thoroughly, and I’d only learned this the night before. (Unless told otherwise, you assume places like the Louvre have normal admission practices, but leave it to Chinese over-officious bureaucracy to find a convoluted approach.) Still knowing this, I made the effort to reach the palace gates for rope drop, hoping to find some loophole. With crowds piling up and growing restless, instead I watched the formalized madness from an alcove and then went my own separate way.

I left the FC complex to the west, walking along the inner moat due north. Immediately north of FC is a pair of city parks which are now my backup plan, and they’ll prove to me far more relaxing experiences.

(And don’t worry, it seems that with the tour group I’ve now joined, I’ll get a chance to enter FC a few days from now anyway!)
 

D Hulk

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Beihai Park northwest of Forbidden City is a massive imperial garden set around a lake they call The Northern Sea, with twisting rocky paths dotted with pagodas, temples and other holy sites. There’s actually an impressive amount of greenery throughout Beijing (Tiananmen excepted)! With the shade, water and foliage, temperatures were noticeably cooler here in the park.

This is something I appreciate a lot! Having already power walked over 2 miles to cross The Largest Concrete Pad In All of China, I sat down in Beihai for a well-deserved break. Thankfully, Beihai isn’t choked with tourists, but is instead a serene setting for exercising locals. There are elderly groups practicing tai chi to boombox music (a very common sight) and others tossing a ball around with whiffle rackets. Nearby sewage workers struggle to unplug a manhole clog via rope, which isn’t as bucolic a sight but it surely adds character to the whole experience.

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These gardens are beautiful, much like the Summer Palace. Massive lily pads artfully dot the waters. Carved stone bridges lead to Quiongdao Island, whose central hill hosts the White Pagoda. I pay entry ($2 U.S.) to climb through a series of Buddhist chambers and stairways up to the pagoda.

Along the way, and again descending the back side, are gardens river rocks mixed in with the trees and the buildings - a lovely combination of all landscaping elements together as a singular fusion of organic and constructed, the very definition of Chinese gardening whose natural flowing curves are a strong contrast to the fussy symmetry of Forbidden City.

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At several moments I pause, sit, and just soak in the park’s splendor. You can barely sense the city just beyond the gabled outer walls.

Eventually I exit through the East Gate and make the quick trip through a quaint hutong walkway over to Jingshan Park, which sits immediately north of Forbidden City’s northern exit gate. This park has no water feature. Instead, it is organized around a towering central hill.

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I climb to the peak (already at 40 flights climbed for the day), pausing at every ornate red pagoda along the way. There are panoramic views of Beijing from the top, particularly looking down into Forbidden City’s courtyards below. Even from up here, you can hear the chaotic aural mix of loudspeakers and chattering tourists and government edicts. It makes me glad to be relaxing under willow trees instead. Views of the city beyond are horribly marred by smog. The downtown skyscrapers, less than a mile away, are barely visible through the pollution.

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I descended the hill and backtracked slowly through secluded verandas. I paused on occasion to watch locals play mahjong or cards.

Then I trekked back through the hutong towards Beihai. Here I found a side alley with a small queue forming in front of a private home. Whatever it was for, I got in line! I paid this guy 3 remindbi (sp?) - around 40 cents - not knowing what I’d get. Got a bag full of piping hot fried sesame buns. Yummy!

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Snacking, I returned to Beihai and followed the lake path north, pausing and munching and admiring “streetmosphere” style displays like a banner dance. These sesame buns were proving really filling! There’re too many! Near the park’s North Gate I found a gaggle of koi fish. I paused here for several minutes feeding the koi the remaining buns, and creating a terrifying feeding frenzy which drew a crowd of admiring locals.

More to come!
 

D Hulk

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Beijing is a sprawling gigantic metropolis, yet its central attractions are near enough that it’s fairly easy for an energetic traveler to see many on foot one after another.

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My next destination, following a meandering path north along the city’s central axis, was the NanLuoGuXiang neighborhood. Getting there required a brief subway ride from Beihai.

Nearly everyone exited the train with me, for we had come to Luogo Alley, Beijing’s hippest street for boutique shopping and hipster culture. This north-south pedestrian street contains over its brief half-mile length hundreds of tiny one-off shops and eateries. Fancy jewelry made in-house (with artisans pounding metal to attract shoppers), fashion labels, candy stores, shops full of pop cultural anime tchotchkes for @Voxel.

I was growing tired from so much walking so far. Needing a place to sit more than needing a meal, I arbitrarily ducked into a gastro pub. Here I rested drinking a cheap Tsingtao beer and slurping a rather underwhelming bowl of noodles. Afterwards I continued north through Luogo, turning west down a willow-lined major boulevard.

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This huge hutong district is several square miles of traditional, old school Beijing. Excepting the boulevard north of Luogo, every road is a narrow alley. Endless mazes of these alleys are home to small one-family houses. The lifestyle seems fairly third world. The residents have a make-do spirit, adding to their basic cinderblock homes with all manner of wires, gewgaws and bric-a-brac. At one time, all of Beijing beyond the imperial grounds was like this. Nowadays, these traditional hutongs are becoming a rarity as they’re bulldozed to create McCities. NanLuoGuXiang is one of the few real hutong neighborhoods left, not a tourist attraction but a real way of traditional Chinese life.

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I headed west to Beijing’s central north-south axis line - the line which holds Qianmen, Tiananmen and Forbidden City. Up here further north is the city’s very geographic center, which holds the Drum Tower and the Bell Tower. This is what I was looking for the day before! Two ancient towers which...well, we’re going back there this morning with a guide, so I’ll refrain from a historical description until I learned more.

Nonetheless, and tired though I then was, I opted to climb the Drum Tower, up 10 floors of stairs set in a single foreboding flight. Got grand panoramic views of smog from the top!

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Afterwards I randomly explored the nearby hutongs - the residential areas I described above. I had some plan to then go see the Lama and Confuscius Temples, but time was growing short. By 6 I’d have to be back at the hotel in Qianmen to meet with the Intrepid tour group. With exhaustion looming, it was easy to just return “home” for the evening.
 

Voxel

President of Progress City
Beijing is a sprawling gigantic metropolis, yet its central attractions are near enough that it’s fairly easy for an energetic traveler to see many on foot one after another.

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My next destination, following a meandering path north along the city’s central axis, was the NanLuoGuXiang neighborhood. Getting there required a brief subway ride from Beihai.

Nearly everyone exited the train with me, for we had come to Luogo Alley, Beijing’s hippest street for boutique shopping and hipster culture. This north-south pedestrian street contains over its brief half-mile length hundreds of tiny one-off shops and eateries. Fancy jewelry made in-house (with artisans pounding metal to attract shoppers), fashion labels, candy stores, shops full of pop cultural anime tchotchkes for @Voxel.

I was growing tired from so much walking so far. Needing a place to sit more than needing a meal, I arbitrarily ducked into a gastro pub. Here I rested drinking a cheap Tsingtao beer and slurping a rather underwhelming bowl of noodles. Afterwards I continued north through Luogo, turning west down a willow-lined major boulevard.

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This huge hutong district is several square miles of traditional, old school Beijing. Excepting the boulevard north of Luogo, every road is a narrow alley. Endless mazes of these alleys are home to small one-family houses. The lifestyle seems fairly third world. The residents have a make-do spirit, adding to their basic cinderblock homes with all manner of wires, gewgaws and bric-a-brac. At one time, all of Beijing beyond the imperial grounds was like this. Nowadays, these traditional hutongs are becoming a rarity as they’re bulldozed to create McCities. NanLuoGuXiang is one of the few real hutong neighborhoods left, not a tourist attraction but a real way of traditional Chinese life.

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I headed west to Beijing’s central north-south axis line - the line which holds Qianmen, Tiananmen and Forbidden City. Up here further north is the city’s very geographic center, which holds the Drum Tower and the Bell Tower. This is what I was looking for the day before! Two ancient towers which...well, we’re going back there this morning with a guide, so I’ll refrain from a historical description until I learned more.

Nonetheless, and tired though I then was, I opted to climb the Drum Tower, up 10 floors of stairs set in a single foreboding flight. Got grand panoramic views of smog from the top!

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Afterwards I randomly explored the nearby hutongs - the residential areas I described above. I had some plan to then go see the Lama and Confuscius Temples, but time was growing short. By 6 I’d have to be back at the hotel in Qianmen to meet with the Intrepid tour group. With exhaustion looming, it was easy to just return “home” for the evening.
Voxel is currently dead trying to recover from my last night in Osaka... will provide witty response later.
 

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