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News Reflections of Earth confirmed to be replaced by Harmonious
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CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
I assume the audio we do hear is the Epcot (or Boardwalk?) background loop?
Inspired Figment
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I kinda doubt the average guest genuinely feels like they’d be getting their value’s worth if the offerings felt nearly identical or not unique enough from the ones found at the Magic Kingdom. Maybe not everyone cares, but I feel there are enough that would notice & do care to realize.. “Hey, wait a minute… this feels way too similar to the thing I just experienced over at the park next door, not to mention.. this feels like it clashes with the theme of the majority of this park. There’s no real incentive to coming back, paying more, or recommending to other friends & family to go to this park again if I can already get my value’s worth of nearly identical experiences at Magic Kingdom or Hollywood Studios”.
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ToTBellHop
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I stop clutching my pearls once I pass the Walt Disney World entrance sign. If I ever stop actually enjoying the vacation, I’ll go elsewhere. Why pay for something I don’t love?
CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
You think the average guest will think the two parks are the same because of a fireworks show?
ToTBellHop
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The average Joe has complained that Epcot wasn’t Disney enough for 39 years. For better or for worse.
I haven't really listen to Steve's video yet but can't be Epcot's BGM if Harm's Soundtrack was playing. Unless IG doesn't doesn't pipe in Show Music? Which would be weird to me...
Giss Neric
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Amen!
Giss Neric
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With so many fireworks in this show, the smoke from it might interfere with the screens or even the water screen.
Inspired Figment
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While somewhat true, the main complaints when it opened in ‘82 was that there weren’t enough characters in the park. (Cause quite literally at that point, there were none with the minor exception of basically SMRT-1 in Communicore and the Kitchen Kabaret cast at The Land) That was ‘before’ Dreamfinder & Figment and the original Journey Into Imagination ride were added the year following and became IMMENSELY popular. Both within the ride & through marketing & merchandise.
What they ‘should’ve’ learned from that ride was that they needed more unique characters that complimented the real world concepts within the park that they could later sell more merch & expand to other mediums if they wanted to… not add more of the very same or similar. characters & stories found in Fantasyland at the Magic Kingdom, MGM/Hollywood Studios, or throughout their films & cartoons.
And while yes, they indeed added Mickey & Friends, Pooh & Friends, and some characters walking around World Showcase (in appropriate attire I might add, not the same generic suits you find in every other park), it still didn’t come ‘at the expense of’ the original park exclusive creations or the authenticity of the World Showcase pavilions. What they needed was a better balance… create more unique characters & attractions like Journey Into Imagination, Kitchen Kabaret, and Cranium Command ‘but’ have ‘some’ film or cartoon inspired attractions with the focus still being on the real world concepts & cultures at hand and less of the characters’ own stories & fictional settings. (See Circle of Life at The Land, Goofy About Health at Wonders of Life, and Three Caballeros in Mexico for perfect examples of Film IP in EPCOT done properly) .
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CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
It appears from the video that they were leveraging the smoke as a screen for lighting effects
MaximumEd
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You’re putting the thoughts of the 1% hardcore old school fans into the heads of millions of guests who have families who have seen a few Disney movies and couldn’t get within a decade of the opening dates of any of the 4 parks if you gave them 10 tries. No one outside of these boards is going to think anything remotely like that.
I'm amazed how Disney is able to get all those puffs of smoke to travel in the same direction.
Maybe we can do that thing that guys do when they express feelings of brotherly love for each other but don't want the other (or other people) to get "the wrong idea" by adding "no <censored word>" at the end? This way we can acknowledge something's intrinsic value without conceding it fits in Epcot.
For example:
Harmonious will be a fireworks spectacular that will enthrall the average guest. <no epcot>
The Journey of Water will be a lovely stroll and feast for the senses. <no epcot>
GotG Rewind will be a remarkable coaster given its immersive pre-shows, unique coaster gimmicks, and length. <no epcot>
The average joe doesn’t really know much. They loved IllumiNations. They loved 25B. 25A should have been a lesson to management. They loved RoE.
The Bobs decided this was the route to go.
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Inspired Figment
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Well lets put it into this perspective then…
Look at what Universal was stuck on doing for a while… an over reliance on cheap, screen based simulators, all simply with different characters, settings and themes, that people rightfully complained about for feeling way too similar to one another and not being worth the price of admission.
They’ve now since tried to do more ambitious, more elaborate attractions featuring audio-animatronics and unique ride systems, which has ultimately paid off in the end.
Basically what we learn from that is… people want unique experiences that are different from one another within the parks. Not ones that nearly all feel identical or exactly the same /too similar to one another.
If people want more characters and even some film IP character themed experiences within the park.. fine. But that shouldn’t come at the expense of the true spirit & unique, real world concepts presented within the park. They should also feel different enough to fit within their specific parks. It’s been done properly before… with ‘the original’ Journey Into Imagination, Circle of Life in The Land, I can go on..
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GimpYancIent
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Pre-COVID my grandchildren would make comments when it was time to go home from WDW "can we live here" or "why can't we move here" this last trip post-COVID the comment was simply "it was fun". It may be subtle but clear enough to me the experience was not what it was and did not stimulate a desire to stay or return.
If you mean I25A, wasn't it though? After "A" we got 25B until and then ROE. However it's not lost on me that Epcot could be in the same place 25 Years later....At least last night had More Pyro than 25A did Prob.
danv3
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The average guest doesn't think about "theme of the majority of this park," and besides, 2021 EPCOT has no theme beyond "more timeless, more relevant, more family and more Disney."
All complaints regarding this show will be limited to superfans. Average guests will absolutely love it and won't think twice about the monstrosities sitting in the lagoon all day, the poor fit of using Disney animation IP in EPCOT, or the similarities between this show and HEA.
Surferboy567
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Judging by these tests…I am very excited for Harm and it seems to be going in a great direction, in terms of the effects and actual fireworks. As for the soundtrack, we will see how it is personally I am hopeful for this being a great show.