News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[GoofGoof]

He’s just done many more reprehensible things and this was the line just shows it’s all fun until they come for them or something they like

For a lot of people the economy is still #1. While they may have an opinion on these culture war issues (in a lot of cases Republicans agree with the Governor on them) those issues take a back seat to the economy which is still the top issue and usually followed by national security, immigration and crime too. So I think that’s why you see Republicans in the focus group quoted having a negative response to something detrimental to the economy. The other reprehensible things are culture war related and they may not even disagree with them.

 

[sedati]

The tactic is actually genius. They call it power to the people, but it's actually power to the person. Things are written in such a way that only one naysayer can bring about charges, firings, or worse. That person doesn't even have to be directly involved. And with such flimsy standards, most will go to the extreme trying make themselves beyond reproach and only take things to a more ludicrous extreme which is how you end up with people so afraid that someone will object to a book that they simply remove them all.

 

[castlecake2.0]

District has apparently started inspecting and levying fines, trying to get more details but allegedly one venue was given a $500 fine the morning after this resolution was passed

 

[mkt]

District has apparently started inspecting and levying fines, trying to get more details but allegedly one venue was given a $500 fine the morning after this resolution was passed

And now there are actual financial damages that can be added to any lawsuit.

 

[Figgy1]

District has apparently started inspecting and levying fines, trying to get more details but allegedly one venue was given a $500 fine the morning after this resolution was passed

And now there are actual financial damages that can be added to any lawsuit.

Do either of you know if this will increase the odds of Disney filing for an emergency injunction?

 

[Stripes]

And now there are actual financial damages that can be added to any lawsuit.

Disney can’t sue the state in federal court for monetary damages due to the sovereign immunity doctrine.

Highly unlikely that they sue the district for monetary damages. If they won, the money would primarily come out of their own pockets.

 

[mkt]

Disney can’t sue the state for monetary damages due to the sovereign immunity doctrine.

Highly unlikely that they sue the district for monetary damages. The money would primarily come out of their own pockets.

They wouldn't be suing the state for monetary damages.

They'd add it to the existing lawsuit where DeSantis and the board members are being sued in their official capacities.

 

[Stripes]

They wouldn't be suing the state for monetary damages.

They'd add it to the existing lawsuit where DeSantis and the board members are being sued in their official capacities.

They can’t sue DeSantis and the board members in their official capacities for monetary damages in federal court. They can only sue for injunctive relief.

They can sue the state and/or the district in state court for monetary damages.

 

[Stripes]

Interesting to hear the Republican representative’s final comments.

 

[Figgy1]

Interesting to hear the Republican representative’s final comments.

1He sounds clueless or disingenuous
2 How the heck can Disney just move on? Again, clueless or disingenuous
3 This was never about leveling the playing field

 

[tissandtully]

District has apparently started inspecting and levying fines, trying to get more details but allegedly one venue was given a $500 fine the morning after this resolution was passed

Ahh, I bet the owners love this, they need to be doing more about it

 

[networkpro]

Ahh, I bet the owners love this, they need to be doing more about it

Speaking of owners, I'm glad I'm not a DVC participant as the potential for tax increases on their fractional ownership (as part of the yearly maintenance fees) is quite high as what money is spent on at what rate with the new board is a given.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And now there are actual financial damages that can be added to any lawsuit.

Except a fine for a true violation is not unwarranted and isn’t going to hold up as damages.

 

[JAB]

3 This was never about leveling the playing field

The whole out-of-touch "leveling the playing field" claim is so tiring at this point.

If we picture the situation as a race, Disney's competitors have to all wear the same publicly-subsidized shoes. Disney had an arrangement where it got to choose its own shoes, but had to pay for them themselves.

In this scenario, "leveling the playing field" would be making Disney wear the same publicly-subsidized shoes. Instead what DeSantis and CFTOD are doing is taking away Disney's ability to choose its shoes while still making them pay for them. In addition, they're adding hurdles to the track, but only in Disney's lane.

That's not making things "fair," it's intentionally hindering one of the runners because they said something the race committee didn't like.

 

[seascape]

Speaking of owners, I'm glad I'm not a DVC participant as the potential for tax increases on their fractional ownership (as part of the yearly maintenance fees) is quite high as what money is spent on at what rate with the new board is a given.

The timeshare industry is huge in Florida and anything that is bad for Disney will be worse for those just outside. If the CFTOD continuee down this raod, the citizens of Central Florida better watch out because empty timeshares not paying taxes will crush the property owners, businesses and loss of employment.

 

[seascape]

They can’t sue DeSantis and the board members in their official capacities for monetary damages in federal court. They can only sue for injunctive relief.

They can sue the state and/or the district in state court for monetary damages.

Actually, they can sue the Board Members personally if they are not following the law and operating in the interest of the stakeholders, property owners. This board is making financial decissions that can be proven to harm the property owners and businesses. Therefore, they are operating in violation of the law and can be sued and found liable. It is also the reason an injuction may be issued against the CFTOD in a week or 2 to stop any further actions and cancel some of those already taken that lead to added costs to the property owners. Additionally at every meeting Chairman Garcia talks and says he is only following the law and making decissions in that are good for the district. He has said he is willing to violate the law and prevent property owners from dIsputing property assesments. This proves he is not following the law or doing what is job is, which is to operate in the interest of the district. Every property owner has the legal right to dispute aritrary assesments and prove in Court the error. Garcia needs to resign today as does the rest of this illegal and unconstitutional Board. DeSantis should have just abolished the RCID because by changing it to The CFTOD he proved this was done in violation of Disney's Constitutional Rights. DeSantis could have won if he had just done that, but he would have lost support in Florida because of what that would have done to property taxes ourside the RCID. DeSantis's ego is his biggest problem and his Violating US Constitutional Rights is the reason he can't and wontl't win the nomination.

 

[mkt]

Except a fine for a true violation is not unwarranted and isn’t going to hold up as damages.

They will argue that this is part of the administration's retaliation.

Again, see Fuller v Carollo in Florida's Southern District, where code enforcement and law enforcement were weaponized against a political enemy.

 

[GoofGoof]

Speaking of owners, I'm glad I'm not a DVC participant as the potential for tax increases on their fractional ownership (as part of the yearly maintenance fees) is quite high as what money is spent on at what rate with the new board is a given.

It’s not a major factor for most DVC owners. For a BLT contract the annual maintenance fees are $7.43 per point. $1.76 goes to ad valorem tax which is split about 50/50 between Orange County and RCID. So the Reedy Creek portion is roughly $0.88 per point or $88 per 100 points owned. So even in an extreme case where the district doubles taxes (may be impossible to do even for these hacks) that would be an extra $88 a year per 100 points owned. For people spending thousands every year on a WDW vacation (or multiple vacations) an extra $88 doesn’t move the needle. If someone owns 1,000 points then $880 seems more steep, but those 1,000 points are worth over $150K on the resale market. Anyone holding $150K worth of DVC points shouldn't be bothered by $880.

 

[seascape]

It’s not a major factor for most DVC owners. For a BLT contract the annual maintenance fees are $7.43 per point. $1.76 goes to ad valorem tax which is split about 50/50 between Orange County and RCID. So the Reedy Creek portion is roughly $0.88 per point or $88 per 100 points owned. So even in an extreme case where the district doubles taxes (may be impossible to do even for these hacks) that would be an extra $88 a year per 100 points owned. For people spending thousands every year on a WDW vacation (or multiple vacations) an extra $88 doesn’t move the needle. If someone owns 1,000 points then $880 seems more steep, but those 1,000 points are worth over $150K on the resale market. Anyone holding $150K worth of DVC points shouldn't be bothered by $880.

DVC ownership is for approximately 50 years. A waste of $880 a year by this Board is $44,000 not a small amount of money.

 

[GoofGoof]

DVC ownership is for approximately 50 years. A waste of $880 a year by this Board is $44,000 not a small amount of money.

Very few people own 1,000 points. The average owner is probably closer to 100 than 1,000. That also assumed they could justify doubling taxes which can’t logistically happen. They have to increase the budget to justify the increase in taxes. Let’s say they force a 10% increase in taxes then it’s only $8.80 a year per 100 points or less than $500 over 50 years per 100 points. If those same owners spend $5,000 a year on other expenses outside of DVC rooms (flights, park tickets, meals, merchandise) that’s $250,000 spent on Disney vacations over 50 years. The tax portion of DVC fees isn’t a big percent of total spent.