News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Stripes]

So what happens when DeSantis signs to bill to void the developer agreement like he said he would today?

Disney amends their complaint to include that bill as well.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

There’s really not a lot of urgency. They first need to go through the process of changing the Comprehensive Plan and land development regulations, which is not a quick process. Even if they decided to move forward with affordable housing which can now be built in more zoning categories, they need land which would have to be acquired thus kicking off its own legal battles. By throwing a fit about the agreement first they’ve hindered their ability to act on any alternative plans.

In the short term however, if Disney doesn’t get an injunction, can the new board prevent Disney from building things?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

So what happens when DeSantis signs to bill to void the developer agreement like he said he would today?

It likely gets added to Disney's federal lawsuit in an amended filing.

 

[WDWHero]

Disney amends their complaint to include that bill as well.

Does it actually void the agreement though? How is that legal??

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Does it actually void the agreement though? How is that legal??

Yeah this is what I’m confused about.

 

[Brian]

Does it actually void the agreement though? How is that legal??

DeSantis is claiming that existing Florida law allows for the legislature to void a development agreement.

Chapter 163 Section 3241 - 2022 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

flsenate.gov

 

[mkt]

Does it actually void the agreement though? How is that legal??

It isn't.

 

[WDWHero]

I really wish a reporter would call DeSantis out on his even playing field nonsense.

Can a reporter ask DeSantis to name another theme park operator that pays almost 90% of the cost of their municipal services and infrastructure while still paying all property taxes to the state and county governments? Or whose local land use regulations and tax dollars are controlled by an unelected board appointed by the governor?

It's kinda sad I've learned more about all of this on a Disney fan site than from established media. I think a lot of reporters are too overworked to get into the nuance and actual comprehensive facts about all of this. Even some experts articles I've read don't explain this.

 

[mmascari]

DeSantis' Oversight District Officially Files Lawsuit Against Walt Disney World

The Central Florida Tourism Oversight District has officially filed a lawsuit against Disney World seeking to nullify a development contract

blogmickey.com

 

[Stripes]

Does it actually void the agreement though? How is that legal??

Yes the bill “precludes compliance” with the development agreement and leaves it up to the board to readopt if they so desire. It is almost certainly unconstitutional and even the analysis of the bill discusses this possibility.

 

[LAKid53]

I don’t even think a state can legally secede from the union anymore.

The Constitution doesn't explicitly prohibit secession.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Oh my god. You get so close to the point everytime.

There are so many words that we are not allowed to use that I wish I could. It doesn't matter how RCID was established, used, controlled, etc.

That is not the problem.

The Governor assaulted an American's (Disney) right to freedom of speech. Now before you try to tell me "I don't understand freedom of speech", for example, the moderators of this board have every right to delete my posts. Lets say the moderators were also police officers, if they tried to punish me in their official capacity, they would be assaulting my right to freedom of speech.

Disney does not have a fundamental right to "control" of their special district, yes. But that is not the argument here.

Disney does have a right to freedom of speech, yes.

The Gov/FL Legislature had the right to dissolve/reconfigure RCID, yes.

The Gov/FL legislature did NOT have the right to dissolve/reconfigure RCID as a punitive measure to Disney for exercising their free speech.

I did not mean to trigger you, if we were free to speak on these boards, I would welcome your words even if they were against me.

I agree with your points.

RCID was created by the state with all the extra special privileges for TWDC to bring WDW to Florida.

The Gov/FL Legislature had the right to dissolve/reconfigure RCID, yes.

The reason DeSantis dissolved/reconfigured RCID was illegal. The Gov/FL legislature did NOT have the right to dissolve/reconfigure RCID as a punitive measure to Disney for exercising their free speech.

I think by now, we have proof RCID was always controlled by TWDC (please don't deny this one).

TWDC is trying to use 1A to regain control they had before.

 

[JohnD]

DeSantis is claiming that existing Florida law allows for the legislature to void a development agreement.

Chapter 163 Section 3241 - 2022 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

flsenate.gov

There's a filed "strike all" amendment to SB 1604 that apparently does this. Included is this relevant language:

 

[LAKid53]

I'd love it if one of the reporters present had the intelligence and fortitude to ask him to specifically identify which laws RCID allowed WDW to be "exempt from" and what taxes they didn't have to pay.

He doesn't like to answer questions from reporters, is openly hostile and had had them removed.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I did not mean to trigger you, if we were free to speak on these boards, I would welcome your words even if they were against me.

I agree with your points.

RCID was created by the state with all the extra special privileges for TWDC to bring WDW to Florida.

The Gov/FL Legislature had the right to dissolve/reconfigure RCID, yes.

The reason DeSantis dissolved/reconfigured RCID was illegal. The Gov/FL legislature did NOT have the right to dissolve/reconfigure RCID as a punitive measure to Disney for exercising their free speech.

I think by now, we have proof RCID was always controlled by TWDC (please don't deny this one).

I won’t deny this as in essence it was. However its control has no negative benefits to the state, taxpayers, or guests.

TWDC is trying to use 1A to regain control they had before.

That is somewhat true, it’s the way you are express that they are. You point blank acknowledged that the gov dissolved RCID because of Disneys actions. And the 1A is only one of the 5 different claims they put in their lawsuit. You are trying to pretend that they have no basis to sue for first amendment violations.

 

[JohnD]

Meanwhile, no further action on the transportation bill which contains language about inspecting monorails.

 

[GoofGoof]

Busch parks employees are probably the worst I've experienced, we had BGT APs for a year and then promptly let them lapse. Rudest employees and I also had one employee try to get me to give him a tip when he tried to get me to steal some soda by saying it was all 1/2 off, when it actually wasn't.

That’s too bad. We went to BG Williamsburg a few years back and thought it was pretty great. It was Spring Break so one of the first weeks they were open for the season and I assume a lot of new workers. People went out of their way to apologize for delays and issues. Really good service for the most part and the park was spotless.

 

[lazyboy97o]

In the short term however, if Disney doesn’t get an injunction, can the new board prevent Disney from building things?

They would still have to first amend the land development regulations to put more projects in from of the Board. They can then play more games, but they’d be lacking an alternative that they’re supposed to be supporting. I don’t think an injunction preventing Disney from starting certain new projects would be unreasonable.

 

[WDWHero]

That’s too bad. We went to BG Williamsburg a few years back and thought it was pretty great. It was Spring Break so one of the first weeks they were open for the season and I assume a lot of new workers. People went out of their way to apologize for delays and issues. Really good service for the most part and the park was spotless.

Yeah, it may just be a Florida parks thing.