News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[LAKid53]

I'd love it if one of the reporters present had the intelligence and fortitude to ask him to specifically identify which laws RCID allowed WDW to be "exempt from" and what taxes they didn't have to pay.

He doesn't like to answer questions from reporters, is openly hostile and had had them removed.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I did not mean to trigger you, if we were free to speak on these boards, I would welcome your words even if they were against me.

I agree with your points.

RCID was created by the state with all the extra special privileges for TWDC to bring WDW to Florida.

The Gov/FL Legislature had the right to dissolve/reconfigure RCID, yes.

The reason DeSantis dissolved/reconfigured RCID was illegal. The Gov/FL legislature did NOT have the right to dissolve/reconfigure RCID as a punitive measure to Disney for exercising their free speech.

I think by now, we have proof RCID was always controlled by TWDC (please don't deny this one).

I won’t deny this as in essence it was. However its control has no negative benefits to the state, taxpayers, or guests.

TWDC is trying to use 1A to regain control they had before.

That is somewhat true, it’s the way you are express that they are. You point blank acknowledged that the gov dissolved RCID because of Disneys actions. And the 1A is only one of the 5 different claims they put in their lawsuit. You are trying to pretend that they have no basis to sue for first amendment violations.

 

[JohnD]

Meanwhile, no further action on the transportation bill which contains language about inspecting monorails.

 

[GoofGoof]

Busch parks employees are probably the worst I've experienced, we had BGT APs for a year and then promptly let them lapse. Rudest employees and I also had one employee try to get me to give him a tip when he tried to get me to steal some soda by saying it was all 1/2 off, when it actually wasn't.

That’s too bad. We went to BG Williamsburg a few years back and thought it was pretty great. It was Spring Break so one of the first weeks they were open for the season and I assume a lot of new workers. People went out of their way to apologize for delays and issues. Really good service for the most part and the park was spotless.

 

[lazyboy97o]

In the short term however, if Disney doesn’t get an injunction, can the new board prevent Disney from building things?

They would still have to first amend the land development regulations to put more projects in from of the Board. They can then play more games, but they’d be lacking an alternative that they’re supposed to be supporting. I don’t think an injunction preventing Disney from starting certain new projects would be unreasonable.

 

[WDWHero]

That’s too bad. We went to BG Williamsburg a few years back and thought it was pretty great. It was Spring Break so one of the first weeks they were open for the season and I assume a lot of new workers. People went out of their way to apologize for delays and issues. Really good service for the most part and the park was spotless.

Yeah, it may just be a Florida parks thing.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

They would still have to first amend the land development regulations to put more projects in from of the Board. They can then play more games, but they’d be lacking an alternative that they’re supposed to be supporting. I don’t think an injunction preventing Disney from starting certain new projects would be unreasonable.

So, just to clarify, CFTOD can request an injunction that Disney can not start new construction? And Disney could request an injunction that CFTOD can’t stop them from doing anything until things are resolved?

 

[GoofGoof]

Yeah, it may just be a Florida parks thing.

Maybe just a bad day. All it takes is a few bad apples to ruin the bunch.

 

[flynnibus]

I won’t deny this as in essence it was. However its control has no negative benefits to the state, taxpayers, or guests.

There were negatives - they are just generally over taken by the positives in the grand scheme.

 

[WDWHero]

Maybe just a bad day. All it takes is a few bad apples to ruin the bunch.

BGT definitely has a .... different... clientele. Like saw barefoot children with just diapers walking around.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

There were negatives - they are just generally over taken by the positives in the grand scheme.

My apologies. I should’ve said minimal negatives. I have personally acknowledged that the pros outweighs the cons throughout this thread. That was a misstep of my post.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Here’s the case on the Orange County Clerk of Courts website.

Orange County Clerk of Courts Records Search

 

[MagicHappens1971]

BGT definitely has a .... different... clientele. Like saw barefoot children with just diapers walking around.

I would compare Busch Gardens more to a regional park/state fair in terms of clientele

 

[Touchdown]

BGW is great, every Sea World is great, BGT is ok to good, it just suffers from being close to 7 better parks.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So, just to clarify, CFTOD can request an injunction that Disney can not start new construction? And Disney could request an injunction that CFTOD can’t stop them from doing anything until things are resolved?

Yes, the Board could seek their own injunction preventing Disney from acting. My idea of reasonable would be entirely new projects, places where the district could technically claim they are reconsidering the land use. I don’t think continuing existing, decades old uses would be a valid harm to the district.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Yes, the Board could seek their own injunction preventing Disney from acting. My idea of reasonable would be entirely new projects, places where the district could technically claim they are reconsidering the land use. I don’t think continuing existing, decades old uses would be a valid harm to the district.

Thank you, you have always been super informed about this subject and have appreciated your posts.

 

[DCBaker]

Here’s the case on the Orange County Clerk of Courts website.

Orange County Clerk of Courts Records Search

The full complaint is now available at this link.

https://myeclerk.myorangeclerk.com/DocView/Doc?eCode=dvyQoi2%2B3SDj1leVLKl%2BBIuHVHRTJ15lCTvOVG5vm5WPoV0bUMRkdYPQ1NSpxTTi4AaAg%2F6gIHazjFB08m%2FYYyL7t%2FJRlS6ZACMkR1086Gg8p8SBhKhIP7OvyIP4SmH3QG6m%2FOtx5C%2BPv%2F%2FBxB2dkA%3D%3D

 

[flynnibus]

The full complaint is now available at this link.

https://myeclerk.myorangeclerk.com/DocView/Doc?eCode=dvyQoi2%2B3SDj1leVLKl%2BBIuHVHRTJ15lCTvOVG5vm5WPoV0bUMRkdYPQ1NSpxTTi4AaAg%2F6gIHazjFB08m%2FYYyL7t%2FJRlS6ZACMkR1086Gg8p8SBhKhIP7OvyIP4SmH3QG6m%2FOtx5C%2BPv%2F%2FBxB2dkA%3D%3D

but broken...

 

[Disstevefan1]

I won’t deny this as in essence it was. However its control has no negative benefits to the state, taxpayers, or guests.

That is somewhat true, it’s the way you are express that they are. You point blank acknowledged that the gov dissolved RCID because of Disneys actions. And the 1A is only one of the 5 different claims they put in their lawsuit. You are trying to pretend that they have no basis to sue for first amendment violations.

I was against the dissolution of RCID from the start. THE STATE WAS AGAINST THE DISSOLUTION OF RCID FOR OVER 50 YEARS.

The state always had the power to dissolve RCID but just let it be. (In my opinion rightly so).

I never ever said they had no basis to sue for 1A violations. If there is a post by me that says this show me.

TWDC wants their power back in WDW. They are trying to use the 1A violations to get them back.

Will they win in court? Who knows.

Freedom of speech is a right defined in the constitution.

Special districts are privileges granted by the state like a driver's license.

It's anyone's guess how this will end.

I am guessing this will take years to resolve.