lentesta
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The whole 'Freedom Fries' thing from the early 2000s still galls me.
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The whole 'Freedom Fries' thing from the early 2000s still galls me.
Not being responsible for a legal document you signed in your capacity as an elected official is a really fascinating legal defense. Let’s see how it plays.
Here's an article about that.
"Florida’s Attorney General doesn’t understand why Ron DeSantis is a defendant in Disney’s lawsuit against the state.
In comments made on Fox & Friends, Ashley Moody said she was stumped about why DeSantis was named, even though the Governor has spent weeks trashing and targeting the entertainment company in speech after speech.
She suggested that even though the Governor signed legislation changing Disney’s special district, he somehow wasn’t responsible.
“You know, it was the Florida Legislature and the Central Florida Oversight Board (SIC) that took actions that effectively eliminated special privileges or a self-governing authority of Disney,” Moody said.
“So it puzzled me, and you wonder if it was an attempt by Disney, maybe to put pressure on this Governor to shut him up, to make him stop talking about these privileges or maybe stop talking about their change in approach to kids,” she speculated, referring to the company opposing 2022’s Parental Rights in Education law."
Full article below.
Ashley Moody ‘puzzled’ by Disney naming Ron DeSantis in its lawsuit against the state
The AG said Disney was putting 'pressure on this Governor to shut him up.'floridapolitics.com
RamblinWreck
Well-Known Member
I wouldn’t even call it projection.
It’s a tried and true method by these types. Accuse your opponents of doing the exact thing you are doing yourself.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Also, he talks about how it was all his doing in his book... that he wrote... and bragged about... and went on a tour in which he then bragged more about how he pulled this off on big bad Disney.
Here's an article about that.
"Florida’s Attorney General doesn’t understand why Ron DeSantis is a defendant in Disney’s lawsuit against the state.
In comments made on Fox & Friends, Ashley Moody said she was stumped about why DeSantis was named, even though the Governor has spent weeks trashing and targeting the entertainment company in speech after speech.
She suggested that even though the Governor signed legislation changing Disney’s special district, he somehow wasn’t responsible.
“You know, it was the Florida Legislature and the Central Florida Oversight Board (SIC) that took actions that effectively eliminated special privileges or a self-governing authority of Disney,” Moody said.
“So it puzzled me, and you wonder if it was an attempt by Disney, maybe to put pressure on this Governor to shut him up, to make him stop talking about these privileges or maybe stop talking about their change in approach to kids,” she speculated, referring to the company opposing 2022’s Parental Rights in Education law."
Full article below.
Ashley Moody ‘puzzled’ by Disney naming Ron DeSantis in its lawsuit against the state
The AG said Disney was putting 'pressure on this Governor to shut him up.'
He's the CEO of the state. His signature on the legislation made it law. And he's bragged on social media, in press conferences and in a damn book what his intent was.
Figgy1
Well-Known Member
Would you like Motrin, Tylenol, beer or moonshine to dull the pain?
I was thinking the same. This case will be precedent setting.
However, the AG running her mouth isn't good. We're not talking about some press person...she's the chief legal officer of the state.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Who is also a part of the executive branch and will be defending the Gov when they see fit....Also, you are not the target audience when she goes out and says something like this. Most of the people in here are not. I MAY be, but honesty she isn't winning me over at this point...weak argument to me...haha
mikejs78
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Incorrect. The attorney general in Florida is an elected official and thus a constitutional officer. DeSantis isn't her boss.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
She is a member of the Florida cabinet which is part of the executive branch...she is going to speak on behalf of the administration when they deem appropriate. You may not like it, or like her arguments, but it is common...
lazyboy97o
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As I said yesterday, the state of Florida is about to legally swear that “Florida’s Blueprint for America” is a lie. Their only play is to say the governor is a liar. And in order to defend the supposed issues with the comprehensive plan they’ll have to say his government is incompetent.
MrPromey
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I think the problem here is, who's everyone else?
As has been discussed to the nth degree, basically every big player has, has had, or is trying to get, some special treatment under various circumstances.
It's just that the way those special treatments are set up are all different and unique to their instances.
And there is nothing inherently wrong with any of this if the public isn't getting screwed in the deal which in the case of Disney, they absolutely weren't.
... But people are conditioned to assume that any time a big business makes a deal with the government, it's to the detriment of everyone else.
DeSantis and Co. have been taking full advantage of this. It's easy for them to speak in vague scary terms about what Disney's been "getting away with" because that's a nice short sexy headline and the details which would better show his misrepresentation require more detailed discussion and a need for nuance and for a lot of people, when you get to that level of explanation, they assume it's an excuse.
That's how he's been able to get as much mileage out of this as he has so far and why most of his base (at the individual level) will continue to back him while everyone else starts to move away as things drag on. The truth is complicated and takes time to take in and understand - time most people don't have for things that aren't a part of their immediate concerns and responsibilities - and they already want to believe what he's saying so it's easier to not go any further in trying to understand any of it.
We see it all the time in other situations with politics the world over - people are pretty easy to hack when things are complicated and out of their wheelhouse.
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Dranth
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It's almost dizzying to watch them run in circles on all this stuff. Ron owned this thing in every way possible until a lawsuit is filled and suddenly he is just an innocent, poor, downtrodden governor who had nothing to do with this. All he did was sign the laws the mean ol' legislature gave him.
I am sure Trump's ad team is looking forward to using these types of public backtracking in attack ads.
Heppenheimer
Well-Known Member
That's not how responsibility in the chain of command works either, LCDR DeSantis.
She does not report to the Governor. She was not nominated by the governor nor confirmed by the Florida Senate. She doesn't need approval of the governor to take legal action. And neither are the CFO or Agricultural Commissioner. Cabinet members have disagreed in the past and not "taken the governor's side". One reason the structure of the cabinet was reduced by constitutional amendment in 1998, effective 2003. The amendment also removed the phrase "the Governor shall be assisted by" the Cabinet. Giving each cabinet officer the same equal footing as the governor so that cabinet officers, constitutionally, don't have to capitulate to the demands of the governor, as the heads of executive branch departments must.
While she may not be as independent as prior AGs, he's not her boss.
Brian
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If we are to take AG Moody at her word, it would seem that at least a portion of the state's defense will be that DeSantis, in his official capacity as governor, didn't initiate any retaliatory actions against Disney.
Considering the passages from DeSantis' book Disney cites in their complaint, I can't see that argument holding up too well, unless they can get the judge to accept the premise that even though DeSantis more or less "asked" the legislature to dissolve RCID, he wasn't the one who actually did it; he just signed the bill the legislature presented him.
An uphill battle, but they have to present something as a defense.
Considering the passages from DeSantis' book Disney cites in their complaint, I can't see that argument holding up too well, unless they can get the judge to accept the premise that even though DeSantis more or less "asked" the legislature to dissolve RCID, he wasn't the one who actually did it; he just signed the bill the legislature presented him.
An uphill battle, but they have to present something as a defense.