News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[GimpYancIent]

If traditional conservatism hasn't yet been completely subsumed by the MAGA branch, I predict this fight DeSantis has picked will probably emerge as a wedge issue on the right. I can already see it my own family. The more business-oriented members, who generally despise Fox News, are outraged by what the Florida government has done. And those who have Fox as their default news source (even those that live in Canada...)... "We have to protect the children!!!!"

There is a vocal/noisy minority of people that refer to this legal back and forth between Florida and Disney as "outrage" when most people see it as a simple distraction and are focused on living their lives.

 

[tissandtully]

OK people, let go of the "RCID" references. When talking about current business / communications it is now with the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District (CFTOD for short). I know its hard and painful but time to move on. After all the legal wrangling and rhetoric is done it will be the CFTOD. Just saying.

I'd rather not. It could be changed back anyways. Are you gonna stop me from calling DHS MGM?

 

[Dranth]

I mean, their first three arguments in the filing are Contracts Clause, 5th Amendment, and 14th Amendment. They led with those.

But all that aside - and they're going to win on at least 2 of those 3 - so what if it's just a 1A issue? We're not talking about a local parking regulation. It's the First Amendment, one of the fundamental things that make us, us. And it specifcially prohibits the government from penalizing speech it doesn't like - that's the sole purpose of an entire clause in the amendment. It's one of the two reasons why we speak American, not English (the other is the French navy, obviously.)

Good lord Len, keep your factual US history out of peoples self-affirming belief bubbles.

 

[Andrew C]

There is a vocal/noisy minority of people that refer to this legal back and forth between Florida and Disney as "outrage" when most people see it as a simple distraction and are focused on living their lives.

Yeah, it is likely that while people may side with Disney (majority?) on this if asked...it isn't going to rank high on their list of priorities...

 

[flynnibus]

There is a vocal/noisy minority of people that refer to this legal back and forth between Florida and Disney as "outrage" when most people see it as a simple distraction and are focused on living their lives.

If you aren't interested in the discussion... then stop opening the thread?

 

[LittleBuford]

There is a vocal/noisy minority of people that refer to this legal back and forth between Florida and Disney as "outrage" when most people see it as a simple distraction and are focused on living their lives.

What’s happening is outrageous. Government retaliation isn’t something to casually disregard as inconsequential.

 

[JAB]

But would a court agree to an injunction for H? The new District and Board are already in place. What it could do is prevent the Board from taking any further action until the case is decided. You know the state will appeal any and all injunctions.

Just posting what injunctions Disney is asking for. I have no idea if they'll be granted or not.

They also included a catch-all - "J. Grant such other relief as this Court deems just and fair" - so the court deciding to grant a less extreme injunction like you suggest where the CFTOD stays in place, but the board is barred from enacting anything new in the interim seems like a very real possibility.

I'm guessing Disney will be happy with any injunction that prevents the board from blowing things up while the case is being decided.

 

[GimpYancIent]

If you aren't interested in the discussion... then stop opening the thread?

It's entertainment.

 

[tnemgif]

So now the FL AG is claiming that DeSantis is not responsible for the bill that he held an entire press conference to sign and brag about…

 

[sblank]

I mean, their first three arguments in the filing are Contracts Clause, 5th Amendment, and 14th Amendment. They led with those.

But all that aside - and they're going to win on at least 2 of those 3 - so what if it's just a 1A issue? We're not talking about a local parking regulation. It's the First Amendment, one of the fundamental things that make us, us. And it specifcially prohibits the government from penalizing speech it doesn't like - that's the sole purpose of an entire clause in the amendment. It's one of the two reasons why we speak American, not English (the other is the French navy, obviously.)

I wish I was as optimistic as you.

I'm pretty sure their main argument is going to be some version of the "intent doesn't matter as long as the state has the interest" discussion that came up yesterday which would make moot the 1A argument but it's definitely going to be a throw a pot of spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks approach. Courts are stacked with FedSoc judges whose only real principle is the wielding of judicial power to further the cause and they'll grasp whatever paper straw the state gives them, then couch it in terms of the sanctity of the legislative body or some such nonsense. Even if the state does ultimately lose this one, I'd count on the ruling laying out a blueprint on how to do essentially the same thing but make it kosher.

 

[flynnibus]

So now the FL AG is claiming that DeSantis is not responsible for the bill that he held an entire press conference to sign and brag about…

I guess they're going for the "the book is just entertainment" defense

 

[DCBaker]

So now the FL AG is claiming that DeSantis is not responsible for the bill that he held an entire press conference to sign and brag about…

Here's an article about that.

"Florida’s Attorney General doesn’t understand why Ron DeSantis is a defendant in Disney’s lawsuit against the state.

In comments made on Fox & Friends, Ashley Moody said she was stumped about why DeSantis was named, even though the Governor has spent weeks trashing and targeting the entertainment company in speech after speech.

She suggested that even though the Governor signed legislation changing Disney’s special district, he somehow wasn’t responsible.

“You know, it was the Florida Legislature and the Central Florida Oversight Board (SIC) that took actions that effectively eliminated special privileges or a self-governing authority of Disney,” Moody said.

“So it puzzled me, and you wonder if it was an attempt by Disney, maybe to put pressure on this Governor to shut him up, to make him stop talking about these privileges or maybe stop talking about their change in approach to kids,” she speculated, referring to the company opposing 2022’s Parental Rights in Education law."

Full article below.

Ashley Moody ‘puzzled’ by Disney naming Ron DeSantis in its lawsuit against the state

The AG said Disney was putting 'pressure on this Governor to shut him up.'

floridapolitics.com

 

[drnilescrane]

So now the FL AG is claiming that DeSantis is not responsible for the bill that he held an entire press conference to sign and brag about…

More specifically she's claiming Disney's using this lawsuit as an attempt to stifle his free speech.

Projection.

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[flynnibus]

“So it puzzled me, and you wonder if it was an attempt by Disney, maybe to put pressure on this Governor to shut him up, to make him stop talking about these privileges or maybe stop talking about their change in approach to kids,” she speculated, referring to the company opposing 2022’s Parental Rights in Education law."

Wow, I didn't know they made such life-like puppets these days...

 

[RamblinWreck]

What’s happening is outrageous. Government retaliation isn’t something to casually disregard as inconsequential.

I agree.

And while DeSantis v Disney may just register as a distraction to most, the outcome of this case could have some pretty profound effects on how governments in the US operate going forward.

 

[Figgy1]

I guess they're going for the "the book is just entertainment" defense

If that's the best they've got they may want to just give up now. It'll save the state aka Florida tax payers a fortune

 

[Dranth]

There is a vocal/noisy minority of people that refer to this legal back and forth between Florida and Disney as "outrage" when most people see it as a simple distraction and are focused on living their lives.

Blatant Government abuse is always an outrage. Just because it doesn't impact someone directly doesn't mean people shouldn't care or pay attention. It's fine if they don't, no one is making them, but it's always the same old story with this kind of thing. A lot of people don't care but then one day something similar hits close to home and suddenly these same people develop some really strong feelings about the subject.

 

[Figgy1]

Here's an article about that.

"Florida’s Attorney General doesn’t understand why Ron DeSantis is a defendant in Disney’s lawsuit against the state.

In comments made on Fox & Friends, Ashley Moody said she was stumped about why DeSantis was named, even though the Governor has spent weeks trashing and targeting the entertainment company in speech after speech.

She suggested that even though the Governor signed legislation changing Disney’s special district, he somehow wasn’t responsible.

“You know, it was the Florida Legislature and the Central Florida Oversight Board (SIC) that took actions that effectively eliminated special privileges or a self-governing authority of Disney,” Moody said.

“So it puzzled me, and you wonder if it was an attempt by Disney, maybe to put pressure on this Governor to shut him up, to make him stop talking about these privileges or maybe stop talking about their change in approach to kids,” she speculated, referring to the company opposing 2022’s Parental Rights in Education law."

Full article below.

Ashley Moody ‘puzzled’ by Disney naming Ron DeSantis in its lawsuit against the state

The AG said Disney was putting 'pressure on this Governor to shut him up.'

floridapolitics.com

Florida's officials are making my head hurt again

 

[mkt]

Disney is a wealthy company. They are not hiring an army of $2000 per hour attorneys to champion the first amendment. They see a state subsidized profit center being taken from them, and are hiding behind the first amendment argument. The Florida Constitution provides for these districts under the state codes including the provisions for removing said districts. This is a straight up state law battle, not a Federal issue.

Tell me you know nothing about RCID or the law without saying it.

 

[Andrew C]

If that's the best they've got they may want to just give up now. It'll save the state aka Florida tax payers a fortune

It is just rhetoric and talking points like any other politician in order to change the narrative and/or win a bit of public support, rather than a legal argument....I would not underestimate either legal team (Disney or Florida) in this fight.