News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

LAKid53

LAKid53

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JAB said:
"G. Issue an order enjoining Defendants from enforcing the Legislative Declaration;
H. Issue an order enjoining Defendants from enforcing Senate Bill 4C and House Bill 9B;"

Looks like they are asking at a minimum for an injunction to uphold the agreements, but are also going so far as to ask to remove CFTOB while the case is pending.
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But would a court agree to an injunction for H? The new District and Board are already in place. What it could do is prevent the Board from taking any further action until the case is decided. You know the state will appeal any and all injunctions.
 
LAKid53

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lentesta said:
From the article: "I think they filed in Tallahassee for a reason, because they're trying to generate some district court decision," the governor said.

Or, you know, and I'm just spitballing here, suits against the state are best originated in the district in which the state capitol resides. So filing in the Northern District avoids a court saying "you filed in the wrong jurisdiction" and delaying relief.

I'd be mildly surprised if the defense argues venue.
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The governor, i.e., the state, is being sued. ND of Florida would be the appropriate jurisdiction.
 
tissandtully

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drnilescrane said:
It's just him trying to muddy the waters by suggesting that Disney somehow is forum shopping. Like doubling down on the special privileges, not following the law rhetoric. Which will probably be their (amateur) argument in front of the judge.
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The governor does the same thing all the time, look at the cases he's lost at first and then won at appeal because he said "oh we'll find a better judge".
 
mkt

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lentesta said:
From the article: "I think they filed in Tallahassee for a reason, because they're trying to generate some district court decision," the governor said.

Or, you know, and I'm just spitballing here, suits against the state are best originated in the district in which the state capitol resides. So filing in the Northern District avoids a court saying "you filed in the wrong jurisdiction" and delaying relief.

I'd be mildly surprised if the defense argues venue.
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Of course, he's speaking to his base that is mostly ignorant on how the law works.
 
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afterabme said:
Will this suit impact any daily operations/communications between Disney and RCID? The two work hand in hand on a daily basis.
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OK people, let go of the "RCID" references. When talking about current business / communications it is now with the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District (CFTOD for short). I know its hard and painful but time to move on. After all the legal wrangling and rhetoric is done it will be the CFTOD. Just saying.
 
Heppenheimer

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JAB said:
And outside of FL, "conservative" doesn't necessarily mean pro-DeSantis, a lot of them might favor "laissez-faire," and that would favor Disney's case.
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If traditional conservatism hasn't yet been completely subsumed by the MAGA branch, I predict this fight DeSantis has picked will probably emerge as a wedge issue on the right. I can already see it my own family. The more business-oriented members, who generally despise Fox News, are outraged by what the Florida government has done, and are even more disturbed that people think DeSantis is fit to be president. And those who have Fox as their default news source (even those that live in Canada...)... "We have to protect the children!!!!"
 
lentesta

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Bob Harlem said:
Disney is a wealthy company. They are not hiring an army of $2000 per hour attorneys to champion the first amendment. They see a state subsidized profit center being taken from them, and are hiding behind the first amendment argument. The Florida Constitution provides for these districts under the state codes including the provisions for removing said districts. This is a straight up state law battle, not a Federal issue.
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I mean, their first three arguments in the filing are Contracts Clause, 5th Amendment, and 14th Amendment. They led with those.

But all that aside - and they're going to win on at least 2 of those 3 - so what if it's just a 1A issue? We're not talking about a local parking regulation. It's the First Amendment, one of the fundamental things that make us, us. And it specifcially prohibits the government from penalizing speech it doesn't like - that's the sole purpose of an entire clause in the amendment. It's one of the two reasons why we speak American, not English (the other is the French navy, obviously.)
 
Figgy1

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GimpYancIent said:
OK people, let go of the "RCID" references. When talking about current business / communications it is now with the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District (CFTOD for short). I know its hard and painful but time to move on. After all the legal wrangling and rhetoric is done it will be the CFTOD. Just saying.
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1 That's an unknown at this point
2 Some here still call DS DTD, DHS MGM.......................................;)
 
Andrew C

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Heppenheimer said:
If traditional conservatism hasn't yet been completely subsumed by the MAGA branch, I predict this fight DeSantis has picked will probably emerge as a wedge issue on the right. I can already see it my own family. The more business-oriented members, who generally despise Fox News, are outraged by what the Florida government has done, and are even more disturbed that people think DeSantis is fit to be president. And those who have Fox as their default news source (even those that live in Canada...)... "We have to protect the children!!!!"
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Lots of overlapping issues here...when looking beyond this specific Disney fight. You will see a lot of split support depending on the topic.
 
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GimpYancIent

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Heppenheimer said:
If traditional conservatism hasn't yet been completely subsumed by the MAGA branch, I predict this fight DeSantis has picked will probably emerge as a wedge issue on the right. I can already see it my own family. The more business-oriented members, who generally despise Fox News, are outraged by what the Florida government has done. And those who have Fox as their default news source (even those that live in Canada...)... "We have to protect the children!!!!"
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There is a vocal/noisy minority of people that refer to this legal back and forth between Florida and Disney as "outrage" when most people see it as a simple distraction and are focused on living their lives.
 
tissandtully

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GimpYancIent said:
OK people, let go of the "RCID" references. When talking about current business / communications it is now with the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District (CFTOD for short). I know its hard and painful but time to move on. After all the legal wrangling and rhetoric is done it will be the CFTOD. Just saying.
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I'd rather not. It could be changed back anyways. Are you gonna stop me from calling DHS MGM?
 
Dranth

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lentesta said:
I mean, their first three arguments in the filing are Contracts Clause, 5th Amendment, and 14th Amendment. They led with those.

But all that aside - and they're going to win on at least 2 of those 3 - so what if it's just a 1A issue? We're not talking about a local parking regulation. It's the First Amendment, one of the fundamental things that make us, us. And it specifcially prohibits the government from penalizing speech it doesn't like - that's the sole purpose of an entire clause in the amendment. It's one of the two reasons why we speak American, not English (the other is the French navy, obviously.)
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Good lord Len, keep your factual US history out of peoples self-affirming belief bubbles.
 
Andrew C

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GimpYancIent said:
There is a vocal/noisy minority of people that refer to this legal back and forth between Florida and Disney as "outrage" when most people see it as a simple distraction and are focused on living their lives.
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Yeah, it is likely that while people may side with Disney (majority?) on this if asked...it isn't going to rank high on their list of priorities...
 
JAB

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LAKid53 said:
But would a court agree to an injunction for H? The new District and Board are already in place. What it could do is prevent the Board from taking any further action until the case is decided. You know the state will appeal any and all injunctions.
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Just posting what injunctions Disney is asking for. I have no idea if they'll be granted or not.

They also included a catch-all - "J. Grant such other relief as this Court deems just and fair" - so the court deciding to grant a less extreme injunction like you suggest where the CFTOD stays in place, but the board is barred from enacting anything new in the interim seems like a very real possibility.

I'm guessing Disney will be happy with any injunction that prevents the board from blowing things up while the case is being decided.
 

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