News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

peter11435

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Having worked in large corporations that would often do dirty deals like this appears to be, I can assure you that they would have also left a trail of emails and texts between the folks on the board and Disney's folks. If Florida starts digging I'm betting money it wouldn't take long to find some smoking texts and emails that they colluding together which could open both Disney and the board members to criminal prosecution. I expect Florida to now start going over everything with a fine tooth comb. Sometimes corporations forget that even if they have great lawyers, when they off the government they are fighting an adversary that can also change the rules and make any victory you have worthless. It is always best to stay on good terms with any government you have to deal with... Disney is only going to cause themselves more headaches than they already have.
This really isnt dirty deal.

Emails between Disney and the board would be expected because it was a deal between Disney and the board.

Even if they openly discussed the agreement as a way to prepare for future Desantis action, that is not in itself illegal. It’s perfectly acceptable and legal to take advantage of laws and loopholes before they are changed.
 

GimpYancIent

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Having worked in large corporations that would often do dirty deals like this appears to be, I can assure you that they would have also left a trail of emails and texts between the folks on the board and Disney's folks. If Florida starts digging I'm betting money it wouldn't take long to find some smoking texts and emails that they colluding together which could open both Disney and the board members to criminal prosecution. I expect Florida to now start going over everything with a fine tooth comb. Sometimes corporations forget that even if they have great lawyers, when they off the government they are fighting an adversary that can also change the rules and make any victory you have worthless. It is always best to stay on good terms with any government you have to deal with... Disney is only going to cause themselves more headaches than they already have.
Don't see any winners or losers in this whole back and forth. The attorneys are making bank off this soap opera / made for media reality show. I wonder if at the end of the day the legal eagles for both sides just get together at Universal for a drink, some comradery and laugh about the whole Board vs Disney issue.
 

drnilescrane

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If they think some criminal activity was involved they don't need the legislature at all it would fall into the lap of the attorney general of the state or some other prosecutor.
They have asked the AG to investigate.

But this week we've gone from we're going to sue WDPR, we're going to have a legislative fix, or we're going to prosecute.

It does however look like they are punching air.
 

peter11435

Well-Known Member
If they think some criminal activity was involved they don't need the legislature at all it would fall into the lap of the attorney general of the state or some other prosecutor.
While this is true. What criminal activity do you think was involved? So far the only people who have broken any laws in this whole mess have been within the Florida legislature and administration.
 

JMcMahonEsq

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Having worked in large corporations that would often do dirty deals like this appears to be, I can assure you that they would have also left a trail of emails and texts between the folks on the board and Disney's folks. If Florida starts digging I'm betting money it wouldn't take long to find some smoking texts and emails that they colluding together which could open both Disney and the board members to criminal prosecution. I expect Florida to now start going over everything with a fine tooth comb. Sometimes corporations forget that even if they have great lawyers, when they off the government they are fighting an adversary that can also change the rules and make any victory you have worthless. It is always best to stay on good terms with any government you have to deal with... Disney is only going to cause themselves more headaches than they already have.
First off you’re insane if you think in house counsel at Disney didn’t have this deal squared away. Having worked with them on the contract/procurement side their confidentiality and communication procedures are insanely well developed.

Second the could have emails that suck screw that racist/homophobic/tyrannical pos with a train of 6”3’ drag queen stars, it doesn’t make the agreements any less legal.

Third no governments don’t get to change the rules ex post facto. What’s even more crazy about this story is even if you play into the narrative that judges are going to be biased towards certain policies based on politics affiliation, which is almost never the case, in any legal challenge here, Florida conservative judges are going to be predisposed to side with Disney! Pro business, anti-government overreaching and interference, freedom of contract, are all conservative tenants!
 

thomas998

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This really isnt dirty deal.

Emails between Disney and the board would be expected because it was a deal between Disney and the board.

Even if they openly discussed the agreement as a way to prepare for future Desantis action, that is not in itself illegal. It’s perfectly acceptable and legal to take advantage of laws and loopholes before they are changed.
It depends. If one of those board members asked or hinted at needing a job then it could be considered a bribe depending on the response from Disney. Never underestimate the stupidity of people to say the wrong thing. I've seen a manager in a company I represented flat out brag about how successful he had been at paying doctors to prescribe the companies new medication. He thought the company would be pleased with him, he didn't realize that some of the doctors had patients that were reimbursed by the federal government through medicare which meant he was violating federal law. His boasting to get a raise in the annual review gave the feds more evidence against the company that cost him his job and the company several million in fines. When you have more laws on the books than anyone could ever hope to know you can be sure that most everyone even lawyers and judges break some and if a the government decides they are going to get you they will probably find something if they look hard enough.
 

peter11435

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It depends. If one of those board members asked or hinted at needing a job then it could be considered a bribe depending on the response from Disney. Never underestimate the stupidity of people to say the wrong thing. I've seen a manager in a company I represented flat out brag about how successful he had been at paying doctors to prescribe the companies new medication. He thought the company would be pleased with him, he didn't realize that some of the doctors had patients that were reimbursed by the federal government through medicare which meant he was violating federal law. His boasting to get a raise in the annual review gave the feds more evidence against the company that cost him his job and the company several million in fines. When you have more laws on the books than anyone could ever hope to know you can be sure that most everyone even lawyers and judges break some and if a the government decides they are going to get you they will probably find something if they look hard enough.
So you’re just assuming things now with no knowledge and coming up with baseless scenarios.

One of those board members has been in place since 1975. All are very knowledgeable about what they do and how they do it.
 

thomas998

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First off you’re insane if you think in house counsel at Disney didn’t have this deal squared away. Having worked with them on the contract/procurement side their confidentiality and communication procedures are insanely well developed.

Second the could have emails that suck screw that racist/homophobic/tyrannical pos with a train of 6”3’ drag queen stars, it doesn’t make the agreements any less legal.

Third no governments don’t get to change the rules ex post facto. What’s even more crazy about this story is even if you play into the narrative that judges are going to be biased towards certain policies based on politics affiliation, which is almost never the case, in any legal challenge here, Florida conservative judges are going to be predisposed to side with Disney! Pro business, anti-government overreaching and interference, freedom of contract, are all conservative tenants!
I'm not suggesting they lawyers didn't come up with what they thought was a perfect plan. I'm just saying that the odds are that perfect plan was not spoken about between various parties and depending on how it was handled, Disney could very easily get themselves into legal trouble.

Not sure why you are ranting about drag queen stars, if that's you fetish so be it. I'm talking about emails that indicate board members are going to get taken care up in some form or fashion by Disney when all is said and done.

I'm also not saying anything about ex post facto rules or laws. I'm saying that Florida can come up with new laws and rules that would hurt Disney going forward.
 

Disney Glimpses

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Possibly process violations - that RCID did not provide sufficient notice or whatnot.
This isn't the first time RCID has held a public meeting regarding budget planning, etc. which require public notice. The way this went down was about as simple and cookie cutter as it can get. Despite the fact that the ramifications on the new board's ability to govern is significantly impacted, the cause of this is actually quite mundane.

RCID also published proof of notice within the BOS package:

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flynnibus

Premium Member
It depends. If one of those board members asked or hinted at needing a job then it could be considered a bribe depending on the response from Disney

Yeah…maybe one of them was looking for a hit on an ex too…. You’re just completely grasping at straws with absolutely nothing to suggest any of that.

Needing jobs? Hellllo they were all already disney’s hand picked people! You think disney was just gonna dump them all in the alley because ronnie evicted them? Disney still has a use for residents.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Having worked in large corporations that would often do dirty deals like this appears to be, I can assure you that they would have also left a trail of emails and texts between the folks on the board and Disney's folks. If Florida starts digging I'm betting money it wouldn't take long to find some smoking texts and emails that they colluding together which could open both Disney and the board members to criminal prosecution. I expect Florida to now start going over everything with a fine tooth comb. Sometimes corporations forget that even if they have great lawyers, when they off the government they are fighting an adversary that can also change the rules and make any victory you have worthless. It is always best to stay on good terms with any government you have to deal with... Disney is only going to cause themselves more headaches than they already have.
What was the illegal act they were colluding to do?
 

thomas998

Well-Known Member
So you’re just assuming things now with no knowledge and coming up with baseless scenarios.

One of those board members has been in place since 1975. All are very knowledgeable about what they do and how they do it.
I'm assuming that the actions taken by the board would not have been taken had the change of the law in Florida not scared the hell out of Disney. I'm betting that now that the AG of Florida has started digging, that they won't stop until they find something.
 

thomas998

Well-Known Member
Yeah…maybe one of them was looking for a hit on an ex too…. You’re just completely grasping at straws with absolutely nothing to suggest any of that.

Needing jobs? Hellllo they were all already disney’s hand picked people! You think disney was just gonna dump them all in the alley because ronnie evicted them? Disney still has a use for residents.
And that is all it would take. Someone telling one of them not to worry they will still get their annual pass would be enough. The problem is they were all too tight with Disney and anything they do will look like a payoff.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
I'm assuming that the actions taken by the board would not have been taken had the change of the law in Florida not scared the hell out of Disney. I'm betting that now that the AG of Florida has started digging, that they won't stop until they find something.
Of course the board would not have taken action had the legislature not changed it. There would have been no reason. Other than your baseless assumption that Disney offered to pay off current board member with annual passes, is there anything supporting your theory that Disney did something wrong - instead of just something legal in response to the situation created by the legislature?
 

thomas998

Well-Known Member
What was the illegal act they were colluding to do?
That's the humor in it. What they did may be completely legal, but if their was anything that could be construed as a bribe or payoff by Disney to any board member voting on it, then you just broke the law.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
And that is all it would take. Someone telling one of them not to worry they will still get their annual pass would be enough. The problem is they were all too tight with Disney and anything they do will look like a payoff.
Yeah… because just now… after doing this for decades… disney would just have forgotten the rules of the road during their most critical crisis with these folks they’re worked with forever.

I’m totally sure that is probable….
 

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