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[KrzyKtty]

Doesn't matter. If Disney continues to make content that he does not like, he will make it very painful for them to do business in Florida.

And that is the scary thing. There is no easy way to stop that level of retaliation. What is happening in Florida, and what that could mean for the nation , is very scary to me.

 

[GoofGoof]

We have about $700 in Alaska Airlines credit, plus there's a nonstop flight to San Diego. We're thinking of a long San Diego weekend with a Disneyland day trip.

Just before Covid we did what ended up being a 15 day trip to CA where we spent several days at DLR then drove to 3 national parks where we spent multiple nights and then returned to the Carlsbad area to stay and did LEGOLAND, San Diego Zoo and a day trip to Hollywood with a studio tour as well as the beach. My kids loved it and despite a lot of moving around it was actually quite relaxing as well.

 

[KrzyKtty]

We have about $700 in Alaska Airlines credit, plus there's a nonstop flight to San Diego. We're thinking of a long San Diego weekend with a Disneyland day trip.

We did that a few years ago. Still 1 of my kids favorite trips.

 

[Dranth]

Freedom of speech not freedom of consequence.

Maybe you aren't a US citizen or if you are you just slept through your civic courses, but yes, first amendment specifically protects you from consequences from the Government, not from private citizens or corporations. Last I checked the governor and legislature of Florida are government.

 

[GoofGoof]

And that is the scary thing. There is no easy way to stop that level of retaliation. What is happening in Florida, and what that could mean for the nation , is very scary to me.

I think politics is usually like a pendulum, it swings one way then swings back. If this continues there will be a natural push back as people resist being told what they can’t do by the government. Human nature dictates that if you tell people they can’t or shouldn’t do something it only increases their desire to do it. If I’m being totally honest with you I actually kinda want to go to a drag show now just to see what all this hype is about . LIke many things in life we learned the below valuable lesson from Star Wars:

 

[sedati]

That is really easy. Disney hasn't been prevented from saying anything, they're still allowed to protest the Parent Rights bill if they so choose. Disney has not lost a single right that is given to every other corporation is Florida over any of their speech, they still have every right every other corporation has in this state, and DeSantis has committed to keeping it that way.

So freedom of speech is only infringed upon when one can no longer literally speak?

 

[KrzyKtty]

Maybe you aren't a US citizen or if you are you just slept through your civic courses, but yes, first amendment specifically protects you from consequences from the Government, not from private citizens or corporations. Last I checked the governor and legislature of Florida are government.

I wonder how easily Disney could prove that DeSantis, through the new board, was trying to control their free speech. I would imagine it would be hard to prove in court.

 

[flynnibus]

So freedom of speech is only infringed upon when one can no longer literally speak?

and why it's so obvious why the public at large is easily swayed with emotional arguments. Most people don't have the fundamentals right, let alone the nuiances. It sets up the mob to be swayed with arguments or stories that resonate with them no matter the consequence of what the pitch may bring.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Not so hard when they can’t stop themselves from bragging about it in speeches and on national television.

True

 

[KrzyKtty]

IDK, instead of going to WDW this year, I'm taking my family on their first ever international trip. And while we are there i'm gonna sneak over to DisneySea .

 

[Dranth]

I wonder how easily Disney could prove that DeSantis, through the new board, was trying to control their free speech. I would imagine it would be hard to prove in court.

I don't know. The state already told anyone who would listen to them this was punishment for Disney speaking out and now Ron is out there writing op-eds and telling people he is going to use the new control over the district to limit Disney's ability to create content as they see fit. Seems that just makes their case easier if they chose to file.

 

[mkt]

I wonder how easily Disney could prove that DeSantis, through the new board, was trying to control their free speech. I would imagine it would be hard to prove in court.

Easily. He's already said as much.

 

[wendysue]

IDK, instead of going to WDW this year, I'm taking my family on their first ever international trip. And while we are there i'm gonna sneak over to SisneySea .

I just know that all this BS has pushed us to NOT spend thousands of dollars in Florida any longer.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Through indirect action.

People keep suggesting, like this post, that to impact something like merchandise on the shelves, the new board would have to take action against that merchandise on the shelves. That's such a sweet summer child point of view.

Think more mob boss. That's a nice store you got there, shame if there was a fire.

In this case, not an actual fire. But, any of a million things that mess up operations at WDW.

Don't like merchandise on the shelves, oops surprise inspection close the store while we check the fire codes.
Don't like the theming of a new attraction, oops that building permit is going to take a little longer, you'll get on the second Tuesday next week.
Don't like an episode of a Disney+ show, oops we're doing power maintenance they will be some rolling black outs next week.
Don't like an entire feature movie being released, oops we just cancelled the entire World Drive project, half way through construction. Just live with the temporary roads for a few years, it'll be fine, no operations or quality impact at all.

I'm sure none of those would impact revenue at all.....

What remains to be seen is how much they'll actually try to dictate content to Disney, and how much is just bluster.

They started with grand plans to dismantle everything, only to be told, whoops, that adds a whole bunch of complications including the transfer of significant bond debt. So, they backpedaled a lot while continuing to declare victory.

Now they claim they'll use their power to punish Disney for content. What are they going to do? Refuse to allow new attractions to be built? Stop the building of new hotels? Let roads deteriorate?

Are they really going to do harm to one of the most important attractions in the state? Or, will they backtrack again and declare some sort of minor victory in the media, which their supporters will happily continue to swallow?

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I just know that all this BS has pushed us to NOT spend thousands of dollars in Florida any longer.

Which really highlights the stupidity of all of this.

Admittedly, the number of people who will change plans is probably tiny.

However, you've got a tourist dependent state basically turning one side against Disney, and turning the other side against Florida.

This is pure incompetence.

 

[mmascari]

Are they really going to do harm to one of the most important attractions in the state?

He did say: "Florida is where woke goes to die."

That sounds like a lot of harm is possible.

Didn't he also say Florida didn't want "woke" companies? He's painting a picture that this is Disney. It does feel like a mission to harm and get rid of Disney from Florida.

That sounds like a bad idea to me. But, I'm not the guy running the state. If he wants to get rid of Disney, that's up to him. I'll say, it's bold strategy, lets see if it pays off.

 

[Bill in Atlanta]

Didn't he also say Florida didn't want "woke" companies? He's painting a picture that this is Disney. It does feel like a mission to harm and get rid of Disney from Florida.

I think from DeSantis' point of view, Disney was a wholesome family-oriented company that has recently been infiltrated by decision makers that don't hold those values. Not inserting my opinion on the validity of this view, but it seems like the effort from DeSantis is more to steer Disney back to what it used to be (in terms of culture/values).

 

[Figgy1]

I think from DeSantis' point of view, Disney was a wholesome family-oriented company that has recently been infiltrated by decision makers that don't hold those values. Not inserting my opinion on the validity of this view, but it seems like the effort from DeSantis is more to steer Disney back to what it used to be (in terms of culture/values).

The government has NO right to do that. If they want to make content or attractions for strictly adults they have the right to do so without the government getting involved. Shareholders and customers can boycott and protest to their hearts content. It's the first for a reason

 

[Tha Realest]

I just know that all this BS has pushed us to NOT spend thousands of dollars in Florida any longer.

#SaveSplashMountain types bumping into #BoycottingDesantis’sFlorida while in line for MK’s Tiana’s Bayou Adventure

 

[lazyboy97o]

Now they claim they'll use their power to punish Disney for content. What are they going to do? Refuse to allow new attractions to be built? Stop the building of new hotels? Let roads deteriorate?

Are they really going to do harm to one of the most important attractions in the state? Or, will they backtrack again and declare some sort of minor victory in the media, which their supporters will happily continue to swallow?

Again, we have to stop thinking about this issue in isolation. If it were some one off sideshow then maybe we could keep believing “Maybe they’re just lying.” But it’s not. It’s the centerpiece of a larger, multifaceted push that includes not just this but an assortment of other policies and legislation.

And why would they not at least try to stop projects or interfere is some other way? What do they lose if they at least give it a go?

I think from DeSantis' point of view, Disney was a wholesome family-oriented company that has recently been infiltrated by decision makers that don't hold those values. Not inserting my opinion on the validity of this view, but it seems like the effort from DeSantis is more to steer Disney back to what it used to be (in terms of culture/values).

And that’s all well and good, and he is free to say that work toward that goal as a person. He is absolutely not allowed to use the power of the state to try and force such change.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
-C. S. Lewis