Literally, you've said nothing and just repeat and repeat and repeat without any references at all. I suspect you're just trying to troll and don't actually know anything at all at this point. It is clear you're in this for a "my team" and all facts be ignored now.
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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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el_super
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Literally this thread in a nutshell.
But that's to be expected I guess with no actual news coming out on this. It's pretty much done at this point.
lazyboy97o
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The counties are not allowed to charge more. That has nothing to with whether or not Reedy Creek Improvement District ever existed. It’s the law that all counties must follow uniformly regardless of what is happening. The only way around it is to create a special district that assess additional taxes to fund services within the district.
If you’re again talking about impact fees, yes, we can show it. The impact fee schedules are available online. It’s not hard to figure out how much new development would be required to hit a a certain dollar amount. How much of an annual shortfall are we talking about? To get that $10 million for law enforcement would require Disney to build 24,875 new hotel rooms per year at the current rate of $402 per hotel room. You tell us Disney should not build more attractions, so the 12,515,600 SF of new attraction space per year required seems like something you’d oppose.
Why won’t you give us these documents?
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Tha Realest
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The new RCID should insist any employers within its district pay a living wage
peter11435
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Huh? Do you even understand how this works?
The counties don’t collect taxes from the district.
Disney pays the same tax rates to the counties as any other taxpayer just as they would with or without a special district. That’s how taxes work.
It’s not Disneys responsibility to ensure the entire county is properly funded.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Guarantee Disney would fight that in court.
Disney still has the courts if they need them. It’s expensive to litigate but it’s not like the new district can do whatever they want and Disney has no recourse.
So you have a reference you can provide for this assertion then?
Didn't you post that the single largest tax payer to Orange County is Disney? It's already been posted, I thought by you, that Disney pays taxes to Orange County.
Does RCID pay taxes to Orange county? I suppose they do, on the property they own that is within the county. It's mostly roads though, the taxes on the value of a road probably aren't very high.
Are you asserting that Orange County is poorly managed then? That hardly seems like it is Disney or RCID's fault.
el_super
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Yes I know this, but it also shows how you both are not understanding the broader issue. It's not really a matter of how the district is setup as it is whether the existence of the district at all is in the best interest of all the parties involved.
Despite multiple parties and groups claiming otherwise, you want to believe that the existence of the district is above criticism and questioning. It's not. Whether legal or not, the operation of the district over the last decades has created a situation where authorities were unhappy with it and now no one is coming out to defend the way it has operated, and even Disney is now ready to cut it loose.
That is, the reality of the situation today.
el_super
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Here's a little wokeness for you:
Disney was given an unfair advantage by the state in 1967 as a way of encouraging them to come to Florida. That advantage given to Disney, put the surrounding areas at a disadvantage as they had to compete for resources and still curry favor with Disney.
But now being put at a disadvantage by the system, they are just being called incompetent and mismanaged. Maybe if the counties really applied themselves, they could pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get out of the hole they are in.
Chip Chipperson
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Exactly. The Sheriff’s Office should be charging WDW based on the cost of providing the service. The Sheriff’s Office isn't a business trying to make a profit. If they agreed to a money-losing deal then that's on them for not knowing how much to charge. Theoretically, they could walk away when the deal is up and that would force either RCID or the 2 cities to form their own police force just like RCID created its own fire department. If RCID/CFTOD doesn't have that authority then the cities do.
peter11435
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Literally nothing about what you just typed represents reality.
Chip Chipperson
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Neither county receives any taxes from RCID. They get taxes from the landowners within RCID at the same rate as anyone else. If RCID disappeared completely, neither County would see any benefit. In fact, it would be detrimental because they would become responsible for maintaining the roads currently maintained by RCID (which are paid for with taxes levied solely on property located within RCID's boundaries). So your argument just shows that Disney DOES pay their "fair share" by relieving the other taxpayers in the cou ties of the burden of paying to maintain those roads (among other things). You just proved why RCID is/was a good thing by arguing against it.
peter11435
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What disadvantage was the surrounding area put in? Not having the luxury of paying for Disneys sewage?
Chip Chipperson
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Why? Florida doesn't do that now.
peter11435
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The State legislature has concluded multiple times that the district was in the best interest of all parties involved. Of course these conclusions were always made after extensive studies and research on the topic. Something the current legislature couldn’t be bothered with.
Chip Chipperson
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The poor oppressed surrounding areas were undesirable swampland before WDW was built, which is why it was beneficial to the state and local governments to approve the creationof RCID in the first place - so Disney could build and maintain the infrastructure without burdening the local governments and taxpayers. Somehow, a corporation NOT taking a handout is greedy and unfair?
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lazyboy97o
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Why can’t you provide links to all of these vocal groups? If they’re so ubiquitous it should be very easy.
I’m not saying the district is without question. I’ve given examples of criticisms of the district in this very thread. I have, in this thread and others, corrected misconceptions about things like the EPCOT Building Code that make it look better than it is, such as the oft made claims that it is the stricter code in the state or requires everything to withstand a Category 4 or 5 hurricane.
Even if we just accept your undocumented assertion, not having the district does not resolve the issues you claim. The counties would net less money without the district because they would have to provide service they currently do not currently provide.
The only source of revenue you have identified the counties do not get is impact fees, but a one time fee of no more than about $20,000 per 1,000 SF of new theme park development (which you say Disney should not do) is not going to be a consistent source of millions of dollars in annual revenue. It’d take Disney adding 224 new hotel rooms ($4,500 fee per room) every year just to generate $1 million in impact fees.
So how do the counties go about getting Disney to pay its fair share? What are these mechanisms the counties are being denied?
How does this change make Disney pay its fair share? The taxes collected within the District still have to be spent in the District, they can’t be transferred to the counties or state. Disney still isn’t paying county impact fees. So what is fixed?
The issues with Disney that you claim aren’t because of the District, they’re because there is a massive development. It’s the same issues people in Frisco will complain about. They’re the same issues people complain about with new subdivisions. Development has impacts and if there is a major thing that drives behavior it is going to be the focus of frustrations with things like government funding or traffic.
lazyboy97o
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This is why it is important that Universal not get its special district. It’s undemocratic to not make Volusia County pay for transit service entirely within Orange County.
lazyboy97o
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Walt Disney World generates billions of dollars in revenue every year. I could probably get a hotel shut down tonight for a fire code violation if desired. You don’t think that sort of thing would get Disney’s attention?
Vegas Disney Fan
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They are on a very short list of states that have passed a $15 (or more) minimum wage though, 9 by my count.