Prince-1
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Is that photoshopped??
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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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Is that photoshopped??
Yes. There are no trees at that intersection.
Local live picture, probably from the site that shall not be named.
Prince-1
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I knew it. That’s what looked off.
lazyboy97o
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In a typical scenario, yes and no. The process in a lot of places to get a building built goes through two distinct processes, zoning approval and building approval.
Building approval is where you get the actual building permits. It's the process where the construction documents are reviewed for compliance with the various building and life safety codes. This is the process that results in all notices of commencement (permits) that get posted here. In most places this process is handled entirely by the bureaucracy of the building department, elected officials are not involved. Other departments (like the fire department) will also be involved in this process but again, it's typically all within the bureaucracy. The board of supervisors could decide to get more involved in this process, but they could also do things like not hire enough plan reviewers or inspectors, increasing fees, but just generally bloating the red tape involved in the process. They would also have the power to adopt onerous codes. Hiring a building official and/or fire marshal loyal to the board could by a source of serious havoc as the building and fire codes actually vest these officials with significant, unilateral power.
Zoning approval (also sometimes called something like Design Review) is process where the look and purpose of a building is approved. This comes before the building permits. The process and requirements are much more varied by locality. This is the phase where you typically learn about new projects, where zoning commissions or even city councils decide to let a project move forward or not. It's the phase where people can say they don't want a Walmart in the neighborhood. In the US, Disney [generally] does not go through this process (same for other parks in Central Florida). This is the process that killed the Eastern Gateway over at the Disneyland Resort. In other place every new attraction at a park goes through this process. Adding this process and requiring board approval is where projects could really be stalled because the standards of review can be less technical and not based on a common model like the building codes.
Reedy Creek Improvement District is also involved in the approval of water management permits that eventually go on to the South Florida Water Management District. It's also part of the more technical, bureaucratic process but could be meddled with through lack of support and red tape.
Notypeo
Member
Yeah. Honestly, I kinda feel like people aren’t freaking out about this part of the picture enough. Speaking generally, the governor’s appointees will have veto power over every project. That’s a 180-degree change from the status quo. Disney going through “normal” land use approvals — i.e., what a developer goes through to get a subdivision built — is entirely inconsistent with how things have operated. Not the procedure, but the deference. Try approaching a random politically neutral planning commission and try to get a shopping plaza built with an unusual facade, let alone, say, an immersive themed hotel. And that’s if the commission is politically neutral….
Local live picture, probably from the site that shall not be named.
Nah, they said the Minnie Vans were permanently ended
They don’t care about this one way or the other. That’s very clear.
Yes, and how that impacts the first doesn’t matter to them. In practice, this type of content control will always be more expensive for Disney and produce a worse product.
Disney Analyst
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I have to imagine a future governor will reverse this change… it sounds like a disaster.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
It’s not up to a future governor. It would still have to go through the legislature and even amongst those who oppose the current action there likely wouldn’t be a willingness to go back.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Really? I don’t think that’s actually true anymore. I don’t think DeSantis cares about much other than DeSantis. As I’ve said all along with this topic, if there is a negative economic impact from this and other actions it will be years down the road when he is long gone. If this new board attempts to interfere over content I think there will be a massive ripple effect on the state‘s economy. Other corporations have already taken note and I can guarantee you from limited anecdotal experience that some companies are already pausing plans to invest there over this and other recent actions.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Since the Governor appoints the board a future governor who is more “Disney friendly” could appoint a more “Disney friendly” board. Maybe not going back to original RCID but possibly better than this.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
It’s prioritizing the culture war over the economy. Why? Because the culture war is much more lucrative to fund raise off of. Every politician in office attempts to take credit for a good economy, but that doesn’t sell anymore. Instead, create a fictitious problem then create a solution to solve the fictitious problem that will rile up the left wing media and watch the cash flow in the door.
BuzzedPotatoHead89
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Has DeSantis said anything on record about Splash Mountain? Asking honestly because I don’t follow local Florida politics. As much as some hardcore Disney fans are wound up over Splash I just don’t know if this is what is grinding the gears of national conservatives and DeSantis’ sycophants.
I know there have supposedly been people making attempts at contacting him on social media about their Splash Mountain grievances but I’m not sure if this issue is as “ripe” to him personally as the broader issue of just “sticking it to Disney” based on the “Don’t Say Gay” legislation fallout and general issues with the company’s perceived political advocacy and LGBTQ representation in films/programming.
Patcheslee
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Out of ignorance I have to ask: "approved by vote of electors"- since the board would no longer be elected, would that even apply?
JoeCamel
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I think the op was asking if there is no one to elect are there electors?
CntrlFlPete
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...on-t-lure-twitter-to-florida-because-of-costs
I recall these comments (as reported above) from DeSantis. I get what he is saying, but I do not see this as 'wanting financially successful companies (unless they are lower skilled labor):
“Importing some tech company from San Francisco has not been high on our list,” DeSantis said in a press conference in Jacksonville on Monday. When technology companies like Twitter relocate, they drive up the cost of living for existing residents and the state is instead focused on attracting industrial and manufacturing businesses, he said.
Does the board of Reedy Creek choose what contractors are hired? Does DeSantis get to pick which company paves the roads under this new plan? Will they charge parking at Disney Springs?
One thing I wonder, can Bay Lake and Lake Beuna Vista succeed from the District?
The Stop W.O.K.E. Act (currently blocked by a judge for violating the 1st Amendment) targets employers from certain diversity training. One state house Republican specifically mentioned this act as targeting Disney's diversity program. I don't know if Desantis made the same connection of the act to Disney, but, he signed it. It's the same act which also limits university speech regarding racial and discriminatory issues... which has also been blocked for 1st Amendment violation.
It's only a small step away from censoring the content of TV, film, books, and theme park rides. And if one can't do that directly, then maybe one can do that indirectly. For example, taking away a targeted business's self determination and making life difficult for them.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
The board is able to get itself more involved in procurement issues to allow greater say over who provides services.
There is language in the bill that gives me the impression that it is intended to prevent this from occurring, either before or after the legislation is enacted.