News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[flynnibus]

claims the amendment on the boundaries was to fix an error..

"On February 8, 2023, the State Affairs Committee adopted an amendment and reported the bill favorably as a committee substitute. The amendment corrected an error in the property description of the district. This analysis is drafted to the committee substitute as passed by the State Affairs Committee."

 

[Drdcm]

Well that’s the problem. Disney for once is a legit “victim” here…they were put in a spot and had nothing to do with the flashpoint

If this were chess. They would be a two-colored pawn.

 

[JohnD]

Guess this means it's passed committe...

H Reported out of State Affairs Committee

02/08/2023 - 4:09 PM

Yes. Not sure if another committee or straight to the floor for 2nd and 3rd readings, debate, and final passage.

 

[sedati]

I want a scene like this:

but it's Disney's lawyers assembling in Florida.

 

[Zummi Gummi]

How soon after final passage of the bill, which will likely happen next week, does the lawsuit get filed?

At this point, Disney’s only remedy is the courts, with a Republican super majority in Tallahassee fixated on doing the Emperor’s bidding, presumably in hopes that he’ll remember them if he ever attains a higher office.

 

[GoofGoof]

Attorney: Disney has strong case if it goes to court over Reedy Creek

A local attorney said the company would have a strong chance of keeping the status quo if it decided to take a case to court.

www.yahoo.com

The interesting part here is the lawyer‘s take on how a conservative court may view this. Many here were assuming the courts would fall in line on a political basis and blindly support the governor but his opinion is a conservative court would be less inclined to support government overreach. A decade ago I’d agree 100%. Now….fingers crossed

I also agree there’s at least a chance that Disney does nothing and there even could be a behind closed doors deal. We could also see a wait and see approach where Disney waits for the new board to “wrong” them and then has an even better case. If the board punishes them we know the governor will take a victory lap and publicly brag about it so then it becomes a slam dunk case.

 

[JoeCamel]

Attorney: Disney has strong case if it goes to court over Reedy Creek

A local attorney said the company would have a strong chance of keeping the status quo if it decided to take a case to court.

www.yahoo.com

The interesting part here is the lawyer‘s take on how a conservative court may view this. Many here were assuming the courts would fall in line on a political basis and blindly support the governor but his opinion is a conservative court would be less inclined to support government overreach. A decade ago I’d agree 100%. Now….fingers crossed

I also agree there’s at least a chance that Disney does nothing and there even could be a behind closed doors deal. We could also see a wait and see approach where Disney waits for the new board to “wrong” them and then has an even better case. If the board punishes them we know the governor will take a victory lap and publicly brag about it so then it becomes a slam dunk case.

The comments are like reading some of this thread without facts for context

 

[lazyboy97o]

Attorney: Disney has strong case if it goes to court over Reedy Creek

A local attorney said the company would have a strong chance of keeping the status quo if it decided to take a case to court.

www.yahoo.com

The interesting part here is the lawyer‘s take on how a conservative court may view this. Many here were assuming the courts would fall in line on a political basis and blindly support the governor but his opinion is a conservative court would be less inclined to support government overreach. A decade ago I’d agree 100%. Now….fingers crossed

I also agree there’s at least a chance that Disney does nothing and there even could be a behind closed doors deal. We could also see a wait and see approach where Disney waits for the new board to “wrong” them and then has an even better case. If the board punishes them we know the governor will take a victory lap and publicly brag about it so then it becomes a slam dunk case.

Waiting for the new board to act in an egregious manner does not provide a stronger case. It really does the opposite and makes for a weaker case. Obfuscating any action with legitimate issues would be incredibly easy. You also limit your case to just undoing the board’s action. Trying to undo the entire changes would be incredibly difficult because they had already been accepted.

 

[flynnibus]

I think disney will fight the new law based on the idea that you can’t simply say something isn’t a taxing district by making it a water management district and then just bolting taxing authority onto it.

The old rcid was a water management district that was basically repurposed and redefined into an independent special district with additional powers. The new law basically says - its a water management district with these additional powers. It’s not the same transition ghat the rcid charter law made.

I need to follow up more on the referenced statutes but that’s what i got from my first skim through

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think disney will fight the new law based on the idea that you can’t simply say something isn’t a taxing district by making it a water management district and then just bolting taxing authority onto it.

The old rcid was a water management district that was basically repurposed and redefined into an independent special district with additional powers. The new law basically says - its a water management district with these additional powers. It’s not the same transition ghat the rcid charter law made.

I need to follow up more on the referenced statutes but that’s what i got from my first skim through

A lot of those additional powers were also delegated by the municipalities. They created two cities so that they could transfer those powers to the District. The new legislation seems to try and disconnect some of that delegation by granting the authority directly to the district and giving it power over the municipalities (which seems to consider cutting off the ability of having assets and authority devolved to the cities before this legislation comes into effects).

Every municipality should be horrified by this bill. It establishes that the state can just create districts that supersede the established local authority. A city can just be consumed by a district and relegated to a rump without any local process.

 

[DCBaker]

Results from the Florida House vote today -

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Results from the Florida House vote today -

You know all the times people here have misapplied the notion that “Walt must be turning over in his grave..?”

Now you may use that phrase.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

Results from the Florida House vote today -

I’ll just say since I assume this will sail through the senate too I’m very intrigued to see what kind of land management, civics, and general local governmental experience these new appointees will have.

Politics aside : Hopefully there’s some semblance of balance between “serious experience” and the “flash-in-the-pan thorn-in-the-side disrupters”. We know there will be some appointees that fall in the latter camp, for sure, since the Governor needs the headline or all this will have be for naught. But here’s hoping (in the event litigation is unsuccessful) for a functioning governable majority with base level understanding of local governance and advancing the basic needs of the District.

I assume behind the scenes a coalition of business, municipalities, and public safety can successfully lobby the Governor/Administration behind the scenes and propose candidates that are going to be in the spirit of good governance.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

I think we can all agree that it will most likely take twice as long to get anything done, and cost twice as much, so be prepared for the inevitable price increases to cover the extra expenditures that these government appointed idiots will require of Disney.

 

[peter11435]

A lot of those additional powers were also delegated by the municipalities. They created two cities so that they could transfer those powers to the District. The new legislation seems to try and disconnect some of that delegation by granting the authority directly to the district and giving it power over the municipalities (which seems to consider cutting off the ability of having assets and authority devolved to the cities before this legislation comes into effects).

Every municipality should be horrified by this bill. It establishes that the state can just create districts that supersede the established local authority. A city can just be consumed by a district and relegated to a rump without any local process.

Exactly. Everyone is caught up with the idea that this is against a corporation but it sets a precedent that can be used against you too. In this case the landowner in a district did something those in power didn’t like. So they seized control of that district, stripped it of its autonomy, and took all rights away from the landowners regarding their representation and governing.

So let’s say the people of a particular city in Florida vote in a direction that the administration disagrees with…. The playbook has already been written and supported.

 

[JohnD]

Passed in House 82-31. Sent to Senate.

Request Rejected

 

[mf1972]

personally, i hope they sue. yes it’ll probably give disney some bad press & maybe some negativity. the way i look at it is if disney doesn’t sue, who or what is to say this won’t happen again to another company/individual(s) either in florida or another state by government officials/legislature. it’s opening a door for setting a dangerous precedent. just my 2 cents.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’ll just say since I assume this will sail through the senate too I’m very intrigued to see what kind of land management, civics, and general local governmental experience these new appointees will have.

Politics aside (since this is dumb policy too): Hopefully there’s some semblance of balance between “serious experience” and the “flash-in-the-pan thorn-in-the-side disrupters”. We know there will be some appointees that fall in the latter camp, for sure, since the Governor needs the headline or all this will have be for naught. But here’s hoping (in the event litigation is unsuccessful) for a functioning governable majority with base level understanding of local governance and advancing the basic needs of the District.

I assume behind the scenes a coalition of business, municipalities, and public safety can successfully lobby the Governor/Administration behind the scenes and propose candidates that are going to be in the spirit of good governance.

The new requirements could disqualify a lot of experienced people, especially those with experience in Central Florida.

 

[Figgy1]

The new requirements could disqualify a lot of experienced people, especially those with experience in Central Florida.

Feature not a bug

 

[Dan Deesnee]

personally, i hope they sue. yes it’ll probably give disney some bad press & maybe some negativity. the way i look at it is if disney doesn’t sue, who or what is to say this won’t happen again to another company/individual(s) either in florida or another state by government officials/legislature. it’s opening a door for setting a dangerous precedent. just my 2 cents.

Many, MANY events of the past 8 years have set an incredibly huge amount of bad precedents. This doesn't seem any different than what has come before. Unfortunately, it's the result of a country more divided than it has ever been.