News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

castlecake2.0

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Disney is a entertainment industry the people at the top running should keep out of
politics if they don’t the share holders should vote to have them removed from their position
Thanks for that riveting contribution to the discussion, in case you haven’t noticed no one has voted anyone out which seems to point that the majority of shareholders agree with the Company’s stance.
 

Brian

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Thanks for that riveting contribution to the discussion, in case you haven’t noticed no one has voted anyone out which seems to point that the majority of shareholders agree with the Company’s stance.
It's more nuanced than that. Nearly 65% of DIS is owned by institutional investors, many of whom push these stances upon the companies they invest in. Even if every individual shareholder wanted to vote Bob and Co. out because of their foray into recent political/social issues, they wouldn't be able to with that kind of ratio and voting power.

Suggesting that Bob and Co. remaining in their jobs equates to popular support of their actions ignores a critical distinction between the "1%" and "99%."
 
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mikejs78

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I’m guessing that on June 1, 2023, RCID loses its taxing authority.

Maybe a bigger Issue is what happens to RCID’s bond rating since they technically no longer exist.

As I said before, I don't think they would. My take is that if The legislature does nothing, the law that was passed in March does not apply to Reedy Creek. The reason being that the Reedy Creek improvement act states that any Florida law that conflicts with the Reedy Creek improvement act does not apply to Reedy Creek, unless the legislature specifically repeals section 2 of the Reedy Creek Act.
 

Disney Glimpses

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As I said before, I don't think they would. My take is that if The legislature does nothing, the law that was passed in March does not apply to Reedy Creek. The reason being that the Reedy Creek improvement act states that any Florida law that conflicts with the Reedy Creek improvement act does not apply to Reedy Creek, unless the legislature specifically repeals section 2 of the Reedy Creek Act.
Haha that would be a wild outcome, that it literally does nothing at all.
 

GoofGoof

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Disney is a entertainment industry the people at the top running should keep out of
politics if they don’t the share holders should vote to have them removed from their position
Why would a shareholder care about this one way or the other? It has very little impact on the financials of TWDC. Disney and every other Fortune 500 company has positions on a whole range of political issues, including this one. This is nothing new and has been the case for many, many years. It’s only become a public spectacle now because the “conflict” is being used for political gain by a politician. Fundraising is way up.
 

GoofGoof

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It's more nuanced than that. Nearly 65% of DIS is owned by institutional investors, many of whom push these stances upon the companies they invest in. Even if every individual shareholder wanted to vote Bob and Co. out because of their foray into recent political/social issues, they wouldn't be able to with that kind of ratio and voting power.

Suggesting that Bob and Co. remaining in their jobs equates to popular support of their actions ignores a critical distinction between the "1%" and "99%."
I agree with this. To take it a step further the institutional investors who own 65% of DIS would need to liquidate nearly all of their positions if they took the stance that they were going to sell off stock in any company that takes a political position. There would be very little left to invest in, if anything at all. The fact that these investors own DIs and other stocks is not impacted either way by these types of issues.

The 99% can vote with their wallets. They don’t need to overturn the board as a stockholder. They can just stop buying products and services from companies who take a political stand on these types of issues. Companies like TWDC and Google and Apple and Verizon and AT&T and Comcast/Universal and most major airlines and most major hotel chains and a whole bunch of dining and retail chains….etc, etc
 

Lilofan

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I agree with this. To take it a step further the institutional investors who own 65% of DIS would need to liquidate nearly all of their positions if they took the stance that they were going to sell off stock in any company that takes a political position. There would be very little left to invest in, if anything at all. The fact that these investors own DIs and other stocks is not impacted either way by these types of issues.

The 99% can vote with their wallets. They don’t need to overturn the board as a stockholder. They can just stop buying products and services from companies who take a political stand on these types of issues. Companies like TWDC and Google and Apple and Verizon and AT&T and Comcast/Universal and most major airlines and most major hotel chains and a whole bunch of dining and retail chains….etc, etc
It would be a good way to pay down consumer debt if vote with their wallets. Paying down debt seems like a foreign phrase to some.
 

Disstevefan1

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Why would a shareholder care about this one way or the other? It has very little impact on the financials of TWDC. Disney and every other Fortune 500 company has positions on a whole range of political issues, including this one. This is nothing new and has been the case for many, many years. It’s only become a public spectacle now because the “conflict” is being used for political gain by a politician. Fundraising is way up.
Agreed, Shareholders just care about the share price. However Disney can keep the share price propped up is all the shareholders care about.

Dissolving RCID seems to me, a big tax break to TWDC as they will no need to pay that bond back, that should be good for the stock price?

The only losers here are the Florida taxpayers in Orange and Osceola counties.
 

GoofGoof

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Agreed, Shareholders just care about the share price. However Disney can keep the share price propped up is all the shareholders care about.

Dissolving RCID seems to me, a big tax break to TWDC as they will no need to pay that bond back, that should be good for the stock price?

The only losers here are the Florida taxpayers in Orange and Osceola counties.
Even if this really resulted in a tax break for TWDC it still probably doesn’t move the needle for their stock. Even if Disney saved $100M in taxes as a result that’s a few pennies on EPS. 1 season of Kenobi cost twice that to make. With the size of TWDC it’s just not much of a story financially either way.
 

GoofGoof

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It would be a good way to pay down consumer debt if vote with their wallets. Paying down debt seems like a foreign phrase to some.
With rising interest rates the home equity loan market is quickly drying up and CC interest rates will be short to follow. We may see less borrowing as a result whether people want to or not. That’s a far greater threat to Disney than any financial implication from RCID. A recession combined with less consumer borrowing is bad news for a company where the majority of products and services are non-essential, luxury items.
 

Disstevefan1

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Even if this really resulted in a tax break for TWDC it still probably doesn’t move the needle for their stock. Even if Disney saved $100M in taxes as a result that’s a few pennies on EPS. 1 season of Kenobi cost twice that to make. With the size of TWDC it’s just not much of a story financially either way.
Well the potential savings on the bonds could be 1 to 2 Billion. At very least we know it won't hurt the stock price. Also I just wanted to complain again about the loss of RCID; it won't change anything, I just like to complain about it ;)
 

Brian

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With rising interest rates the home equity loan market is quickly drying up and CC interest rates will be short to follow. We may see less borrowing as a result whether people want to or not. That’s a far greater threat to Disney than any financial implication from RCID. A recession combined with less consumer borrowing is bad news for a company where the majority of products and services are non-essential, luxury items.
Indeed.

The family vacation is the first thing to go when the budget is tight. Streaming services and movie theatre outings are usually not too far behind.
 

Disstevefan1

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Indeed.

The family vacation is the first thing to go when the budget is tight. Streaming services and movie theatre outings are usually not too far behind.
That’s for families on the edge and I sincerely feel bad for these families, I feel most badly for the daily car commuter who needs to go back and forth to work everyday, knowing the gas costs are skyrocketing, talk about a pay cut!

The parks are not for these folks.

Disney can’t worry about these folks. The parks are an expensive activity for folks and only folks with enough disposable income to afford it and there will be plenty of those folks to get them through 2024 when things can be turned around possibly.
 

GoofGoof

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That’s for families on the edge and I sincerely feel bad for these families, I feel most badly for the daily car commuter who needs to go back and forth to work everyday, knowing the gas costs are skyrocketing, talk about a pay cut!

The parks are not for these folks.

Disney can’t worry about these folks. The parks are an expensive activity for folks and only folks with enough disposable income to afford it and there will be plenty of those folks to get them through 2024 when things can be turned around possibly.
I would half agree with this. The key demographic for WDW targets higher income families but that’s not to say they are the exclusive customers. In the past few years there has been a lot of stimulus and other government money floating around plus very low interest rates and very liberal credit extended. So a family who may not have the recurring disposable income to visit WDW annually could have put together the money to visit based on this. all of that is likely to change in the next year or 2. So yes, a large number of WDW customers are less likely to be greatly impacted by a recession to the point of not going, but not all. A recession would hurt the parks in the short term. It’s also possible that with rising gas costs and rising airfare as well people decide to stick closer to home for the short term.

On the flip side a recession will eventually kill inflation and perhaps cool off the job market as well making it cheaper for WDW to buy materials, food and other raw products as well as cheaper to pay employees and could even result in cheaper electricity and fuel for buses.
 

Schmidt

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Disney is a entertainment industry the people at the top running should keep out of
politics if they don’t the share holders should vote to have them removed from their position
Come on now. It's deeper than that. Stop oversimplifying it to make your point.
To be fair Disney is damned if they do or damned if they don't.
They are getting it from both sides. The right and left.
 
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