News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Chip Chipperson

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Some of those quotes are certainly interesting.

The part that got me…Some people own multiple houses in there?!

It's interesting that the legislature may have inadvertently harmed their biggest donors in Orange County since you're not likely to find too many homes that would get a bigger property tax increase from the dissolution of RCID than the ones in Golden Oak. $21k in taxes just to the County in 1 year???
 

lordsigma

Active Member
That is an excellent article that makes it sound like this is destined to be struck down in the courts for any number of reasons.

I can imagine legal arguments to potentially get around some of the issues but not all of them.
This may explain the silence. While I think this law could be struck down in a first amendment complaint as well it seems as a number of other approaches - ultimately Disney may just choose to keep silent and let DeSantis have his big political moment and then quietly work this out with state officials when the dust settles and no one is paying attention anymore or have the district make a legal complaint less politically charged than a first amendment complaint.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
This may explain the silence. While I think this law could be struck down in a first amendment complaint as well it seems as a number of other approaches - ultimately Disney may just choose to keep silent and let DeSantis have his big political moment and then quietly work this out with state officials when the dust settles and no one is paying attention anymore or have the district make a legal complaint less politically charged than a first amendment complaint.
The very state officials that would “work this out” are the ones who created the mess in the first place. Why would they change their mind? This is almost certainly going to court, but a proper case takes time to prepare. There’s also no benefit in saying something and adding fuel to the baseless sound bites.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
This may explain the silence. While I think this law could be struck down in a first amendment complaint as well it seems as a number of other approaches - ultimately Disney may just choose to keep silent and let DeSantis have his big political moment and then quietly work this out with state officials when the dust settles and no one is paying attention anymore or have the district make a legal complaint less politically charged than a first amendment complaint.

Yeah, there's no reason for Disney to say anything. It wouldn't benefit them to do so.

I think Reedy Creek itself can file a lawsuit, if necessary, regarding the bond issues. Potentially a bondholder could sue as well, although I'm not sure if they'd have standing before something actually happened to negatively impact the bonds.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I would like to see Disney take it to court to expose it for what it is. Nothing more then an authoritarian power grab and primary substance for Gov. DeStupid's presidential run.

That said, after a minor amount of thought, it occurred to me that the agreement for RCID was negotiated when Walt's plan was to build a controlled and functioning real city not just a functioning resort. Based on the idea that it primarily only deals with infrastructure and that Disney allegedly sets higher requirements then the surrounding counties I'd have to say the it is really not a concern of Disney's anymore. They apply for permits, pay for planning and construction anyway, so nothing really changes. If they cannot be their own private municipality then WDW will become a public municipality and nothing really changes other then the name. Instead of RCID they become the municipality of WDW. Same money, same pocket, same need to apply for zoning and permits to build, same private fire station, EMS, power generating, water and sewage system and probable their own road maintenance and building like a privately owned property would do a driveway or parking lot.

The counties that are absorbing RCID are not going to receive anymore money then before and WDW will probably pay less in time and money then the convoluted independent governing situation for a city that doesn't exist. I'm not convinced that the name on the Bond cannot easily transfer to WDW since most of the people that bought in know it was the same place and the same money seamlessly. Just a thought.
 
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lordsigma

Active Member
The very state officials that would “work this out” are the ones who created the mess in the first place. Why would they change their mind? This is almost certainly going to court, but a proper case takes time to prepare. There’s also no benefit in saying something and adding fuel to the baseless sound bites.
Well by work this out I mean wait until after the mid term election. Eventually even absent the courts someone has to figure out how this would work and ultimately it may result in essentially the same arrangement without nominally repealing the bill.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
Ll
I would like to see Disney take it to court to expose it for what it is. Nothing more then an authoritarian power grab and primary substance for Gov. DeStupid's presidential run.

That said, after a minor amount of thought, it occurred to me that the agreement for RCID was negotiated when Walt's plan was to build a controlled and functioning real city not just a functioning resort. Based on the idea that it primarily only deals with infrastructure and that Disney allegedly sets higher requirements then the surrounding counties I'd have to say the it is really not a concern of Disney's anymore. They apply for permits, pay for planning and construction anyway, so nothing really changes. If they cannot be their own private municipality then WDW will become a public municipality and nothing really changes other then the name. Instead of RCID they become the municipality of WDW. Same money, same pocket, same need to apply for zoning and permits to build, same private fire station, EMS, power generating, water and sewage system and probable their own road maintenance and building like a privately owned property would do a driveway or parking lot. The counties that are absorbing RCID are not going to receive anymore money then before and WDW will probably pay less in time and money then the convoluted independent governing situation for a city that doesn't exist.
Until the state decides to use emminent Domain to seize Disney land.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Here we go again with the condescending attitude that stupid hicks don't know what's good for them. They're getting conned by right-wingers and tent revivalists until they believe all the lies that've made them so wrong. They don't know any better. That's why they're voting against their own self-interest. While the enlightened are the educated, coastal, and professional democrats.
You got some mommy/no pony for your birthday issues there, friend…
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
The enabling legislation and court ruling focus on developing tourism, not building a city.
That is how the state of Florida might have defined it, but Walt wanted complete control over his city and didn't want any interference from the state. The only reason there was a theme park built was to provide both a place for the city residents to work and to give the impression, at least on the surface, that it was just a tourism development. It was that as well, but I don't believe that was Walt's motivation for asking for the independence nor was it necessary just to build a theme park.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
That is how the state of Florida might have defined it, but Walt wanted complete control over his city and didn't want any interference from the state. The only reason there was a theme park built was to provide both a place for the city residents to work and to give the impression, at least on the surface, that it was just a tourism development. It was that as well, but I don't believe that was Walt's motivation for asking for the independence nor was it necessary just to build a theme park.
The Reedy Creek Improvement District was established *after* Walt died.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
That is how the state of Florida might have defined it, but Walt wanted complete control over his city and didn't want any interference from the state. The only reason there was a theme park built was to provide both a place for the city residents to work and to give the impression, at least on the surface, that it was just a tourism development. It was that as well, but I don't believe that was Walt's motivation for asking for the independence nor was it necessary just to build a theme park.
Walt was dead. Even As a city, it would have been a tourist attraction and developing tourism is a key part of the legal basis for the District, both in the actual legislation and in the subsequent court ruling,
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I don't know. Based on some of the things DeSantis is saying this week, I'm starting to think that he believes that he can take down Disney. Guy has hubris.
He is a rather novice politician looking for fame…and at the end of the day - donations for campaigns and PACs…lucrative “consulting” jobs for the rest of his days.

Florida is not going to “stick it” to their biggest tax generator.

And again…it was done for cover of a gerrymander district map that’s going to get struck down in court anyway…
 

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